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Thread: *sigh* so here we go: Steam PC
08-01-2013, 01:11 PM #41
Did everyone miss my last post? Those are some pretty solid specs, provided that the games aren't gpu-killers from hell.
And from what I understand: No, this is not the Steambox. Some Valve guy apparently said that the Steambox won't be revealed until GDC or later.
08-01-2013, 01:11 PM #42
I think at best this is a niche thing. It's essentially for moneyed PC Gamers who want to play their Steam titles in the living room without having to go through the rigmaroll of dragging the tower into the living room or run cables throughout the house.
Great idea in principle, however unless there's some hardware voodoo going on that we're not seeing and there's a couple of 680s strapped together in there to provide some major graphical horsepower to the thing it seems like a bit of an indulgence given the next gen consoles are around the corner and will likely kick it's arse in those stakes.
Probably the thing to look out for is the next version in truth. I don't doubt this will sell modestly, however I fully expect there to be a new beefier version out once the PS4 & & 720 hardware specs are finally unveiled.
Personally ..I'm ok with playing my games on the PC using a controller as is (I have a comfortable chair), plus I'm not bogarting the TV when I'm gaming. However I can certainly see this might have some appeal to people who want to leverage their high def TVs and kick back with a controller on the couch.Why yes you're right I'm deliciously evil
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08-01-2013, 01:19 PM #43
Hey, could we look at this from different perspective?
If steambox picks off and the coding for it won't really be much different from pc game coding, maybe, just maybe, we'll get more decent console "ports".
If Valve has enough financial capabilities to make a console and not get too burned from this, if they fail, why not let them?Hear from the spirit-world this mystery:
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08-01-2013, 01:23 PM #44
08-01-2013, 01:27 PM #45
This is a much better resource. It's a long way down the list. Far Cry 3 is barely playable on Low @ 1024x768. AC3 flat out isn't playable with an FPS below 20. Some of the more forgiving games and older titles work better, but there's no way it'll play the next GTA. Next-gen games (we're moving into a new console era, expect a jump) will be even more demanding. 8GB of RAM is great, cool, whatever, but it's irrelevant if processing power is a bottleneck.
08-01-2013, 01:34 PM #46
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08-01-2013, 01:36 PM #47
Btw, here's a link to a Neogaf summary of the conference where that Valve dude I mentioned earlier said that the Steambox won't be revealed until GDC or later:
08-01-2013, 01:42 PM #48
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If it is a mobile GPU you can expect NO game to run well. If at all. Which leaves only one option, a Steam Big Picture client.
08-01-2013, 01:42 PM #49
Steam are not in the market of selling just indie games, they sell everything including AAA's. They're super good at making money. Do you actually think they'd be going ahead with any of this if they didn't think they could sell people a device capable of playing AAA games? The specs I linked are what Xi3 have been able to do thus far, with little investment. They've got Valve and GabeNs money behind them now.
And I expect a jump in graphics like everyone from the next console era, but I don't think it's going to be anywhere near what we got going from PS1-PS2-PS3 level of graphics. PCs are already years ahead of what's in consoles. I expect the next generation of consoles to maybe catch up to a mid-high level pc in terms of graphics that we have now.
08-01-2013, 02:14 PM #50
08-01-2013, 02:42 PM #51
I really do not see why the form factor is such an issue for you. As mentioned, what you see in that picture, is not the finished product. It might be larger. Even if it's not, it doesn't need a high end GPU in it. It needs something, that can compete with what a console can do, so thats 720p at 30fps. And that's one thing I think you might be overlooking? You don't need a bazillion FPS or even 1080p when you're playing on a tv half way across the room. The only reason you need it for your PC is because most likely you sit about two foot away from the screen.
Even if there is a massive jump in tech and power for the next console generation, which we assume is out next year, there's still going to be about 3-4 years worth of adoption time, where for the most part the newer games won't get much better looking than the older ones.
It's not for us hobbyists. The steambox for us is the equivalent of those little toy remote control helicopters you buy in Maplins that a remote control helicopter hobbyist would scoff at because his one is ten times more bigger and powerful. But for the guy who buys the one in Maplin all he wants is something to mess about with in his room or harass the dog with.
08-01-2013, 02:44 PM #52
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Who says it's a console anyway?
08-01-2013, 02:46 PM #53
The Steambox or any other claimant will have to stand its ground against next-gen consoles.
08-01-2013, 02:47 PM #54
Nobody, but if it's going into a living room with big picture mode, it's main competition will be with consoles.
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08-01-2013, 02:49 PM #55
I am surprised neither Trjp nor mash have posted yet. This seems like the antithesis to what trjp wants and it potentially IS what mash wants.
While we don't really know anything yet, I think it is safe to say the following:
It will probably support streaming of some form. Whether from a PC (thus validating my theory that nVidia's Shield announced a feature for Valve) or from a magical cloud (like OnLive, but Valvey).
This is a big part of why Big Picture mode was made
This MAY be why Steam is pushing for Linux. A stripped down Linux will use a LOT less resources than Windows
It won't be a super-high end rig, but it will probably be comparable to a gaming laptop.
While I hold off my judgement until more information (or any information) is known, I might end up getting one of these (on sale :p) if the performance/capabilities are decent and the price point is good. I don't need (or want) to play ArmA3 or Crysis or whatever on here, but if I can play some of my more controller-friendly PC games in front of the TV without hooking stuff up, that is worth some cash to me. And it is definitely portable enough that I could bring it over to a friend's place to play games with.
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08-01-2013, 02:50 PM #56
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08-01-2013, 03:01 PM #57
I don't know what this thing does,
but if it only does that thing to Steam games,
and not to all the other games on my computer,
then it's a sort of pointless garbage.
(So I hope it does that thing to other games).
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08-01-2013, 03:11 PM #58[FONT=Tahoma]Originally Posted by "[/FONT
This box however seems unlikely to match that, though I wouldn't put it past it to reach 1080px30fps for some things. I just got a cheap £330 laptop with an Intel HD 4000 GPU, it seems to be able to run XCOM on high detail at 20fps (not great) 1366×768. But that's a piece of crap. You don't need a GTX 680 to get 30-60fps at 1080, not even close.
EDIT: Still £800 is a bit silly as it can never compete with consoles at that price point, I expect if/when/whatever the "SteamBox" turns up it will compete with the consoles on price and performance.
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08-01-2013, 03:29 PM #59
I'd expect Valve to subsidize the price quite heavily. It's common practice.
08-01-2013, 03:32 PM #60
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I don't expect it wants to compete with consoles. Until we see what it can actually do we can only guess at it's market target.