I hated Alpha Protocol because the game's player agency and decision-making doesn't include the option for the protagonist to not be a smarmy dick.
Same here. I had two Obsidian games one the list but AP was not one for a reason. The extreme focus on a limited group of NPCs was done well, the combat, the timed dialog, Thorton's lines, the bosses, and occasionally the levels were not. All in all, I think it was a poor execution of a really good idea.
To each their own though.
The timed dialoge was great. And you're not convincing me otherwise.
My issue with Alpha Protocal was that it may have given you meaningful choice, but it was amongst generic computer game characters and concerning a third rate Tom Clancy plot. These branching choices became irrelevant when I didn't give two shits about what was going on. I was also expecting gameplay more inline with Deus Ex, but got a corridor shooter with infuriating boss fights.
I am constantly confused by the comparisons by Bloodline, which felt like a game that needed another years work, but knew exactly what it was trying to do. The final third might be a complete mess, but the first 2/3rds are wonderful, if a bit buggy. Alpha Protocol just felt broken and unconvinced by what it could be for all that I played of it.
Now, I only manged to play, at most, half of it, so maybe things become more interesting later on. I just don't see that being the case from how uninteresting both the gameplay at story was for that first half.
Onto my list:
Dishonoured
The Witcher 2
Portal 2
Crysis
Stalker
Hitman Blood Money
Starcraft 2
Company of Heroes
Batman: Arkham Asylum
Natural Selection 2
That last one was a switch from Team Fortress 2. I like TF2 a lot and it is probably the game I have put the most hours into. However, I also feel like it is a rather shallow game that I have only ever dipped in and of. NS2 is the far more ambitious multiplayer game and rewards you so much more. I hope to be playing it for many years to come.
Edit: @Gorzan - Farenheit did that first and was far more interesting with it.
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In no particular order.
Dragon Age: Origins
Skyrim
Defense Grid
Anno 1404
DX:HR
Mass Effect 2
Spec Ops: The Line
Saints Row 3
Batman: Arkham City
Batman Arkham Asylum
Honourable mentions:
Football Manager 2010
Kings Bounty: The Legend
Plants vs Zombies
Dishonored
XCOM: Enemy Unkown
Oblivion
The Walking Dead
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Warning. Console games within. (The IGN list had console games. So I don't care what you think)
Demon's Souls
Dark Souls
Mass Effect
Dragon Age: Origins
Halo 3
Trials: HD
Binding of Isaac
Fallout 3 (I haven't played New Vegas properly yet. I fully concede it's probably better)
Bioshock
Bayonetta
Honourable Mentions:
Portal / Portal 2
Uncharted 2
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Dawn of War: II
FTL
Batman: Arkham City
Super Mario Galaxy
Medieval 2: Total War
Super Smash Brothers: Wii
Fifa 12
Mirrors Edge
... I take the lives of a few to protect the lives of many. I commit acts of war to preserve the greater peace. I take no joy in killing, but make no mistake; I'll do what needs to be done. Because it's my job. It's my duty. My name is Sam Fisher, and I am a Splinter Cell.
Wonder what people's lists would have looked like if we had a No Multiplatform rule. Mine would have two games left on it.
Maybe because this is PC oriented forum,so talking about console games its kinda stupid.
... I take the lives of a few to protect the lives of many. I commit acts of war to preserve the greater peace. I take no joy in killing, but make no mistake; I'll do what needs to be done. Because it's my job. It's my duty. My name is Sam Fisher, and I am a Splinter Cell.
... I take the lives of a few to protect the lives of many. I commit acts of war to preserve the greater peace. I take no joy in killing, but make no mistake; I'll do what needs to be done. Because it's my job. It's my duty. My name is Sam Fisher, and I am a Splinter Cell.
Seems I misread the original IGN list... never mind. Fun mental exercise either way.
If consoles were involved, I'd include a Forza. Why in gods name have none come out for PC!?
Ooh I'm glad Fahrenheit was 2005 or else it would maybe have been an omission from my list.
I think those games are more or less on par. Both had horribly annoying boss fights, Alpha Protocol started weakly and gradually came together whereas Fahrenheit started strongly and went off the rails. Alpha Protocol was unintentionally (or was it intentional?) funny because the protagonist was a caricatured dick, Fahrenheit was (almost certainly) unintentionally funny because it went off the rails plot wise in the final quarter. Despite its flaws the gameplay in Alpha Protocol is stronger and despite its descent into (abliet hilarious) madness the plot of Fahrenheit was far more intriguing and the characters much more sympathetic.
As for the timed conversations (which were what you guys were referring to after all) I'd actually lean towards AP doing them better as there were a few less instances of the character saying something unexpected and the actual consequences in terms of your relationship with the characters felt more meaningful in AP even if they were, much to my disappointment, telegraphed with "friends +1". The choices in Fahrenheit didn't seem to matter as much, as while it was interesting to see the varying effects many of them lead to dead ends, a la choose your own adventure books. This wasn't the case with the more tightly crafted AP. Just my two cents though, they're both thoroughly enjoyable games in my book.
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Mine would go down to 4 (5 if you count the free version of Spelunky, which is the one that I played). If you count Spelunky 4 of those 5 (Spelunky, Audiosurf, Spacechem, Crusader Kings 2) are the game which I've poured most hours into (the others being games just outside my list such as Puzzle Quest, Peggle, Dragon Age: Origins, Binding of Isaac).
If asked to create a top 10 PC games list, I don't see anything wrong in naming 10 brilliant games with the dual motive of providing 10 reasons to get a PC. That doesn't necessarily exclude multi-platform stuff - Skyrim and Blood Bowl are a must for the PC. You'd never see something like Minecraft or Dwarf Fortress birthed on a console though. A market entirely controlled by a single company requires a different mindset.