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23-01-2013, 01:55 AM #21
Back on this again are we? Yes it's probably a good idea to have some kind of contingency plan. Maybe one of these online services bans you, or goes bankrupt, or maybe you just plumb run out of Internet. As it's been said though, backing up files will only get you so far. The best defence against losing games on online services is to avoid those services altogether, though that would mean missing out on a hell of a lot of games, as well as the perks and convenience offered by Steam.
Frankly I wish people would put a little less stock in convenience. Convenience is nice, but I value my rights and privacy a bit more.
23-01-2013, 01:56 AM #22
I think games that are also available non-origin (Dead Space 2 for example) are bootable even without Origin open. For example, I bought and downloaded DS2 on Origin, but I am free to launch it with Origin shut.steam: sketch
23-01-2013, 02:22 AM #23
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The last thing worth noting is the difference between Steam and EA here. They both have a clause in their contracts that say "we can terminate your account for any reason we want whenever we want to". That's the silly thing. That thing about not reporting bugs didn't need to be in there at all because they can do that anyway. The language wasn't too broad, the broad case is already covered, the language was too narrow which implies it's something they might actually do.
On the other hand, Steam are actually taking positive steps. While they also reserve the right to ban you forever for any reason, they've also stopped banning accounts for anything but obvious fraud of Steam itself. In cases where users have actually handed over money, they now only ever 'lock' accounts. That stops them buying, trading or doing anything with their Steam accounts except for patching and playing games they've already bought.
23-01-2013, 02:24 AM #24
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The concept of an online 'library' of your content is a good concept but there's always the risk the library closes (or you find yourself unable to access it) - it's a trade-off of high convenience now against a risk of some inconvenience (potentially very little) later.
I mean someone could setup the "Absolute Forever Online Game Store" and guarantee your games and saves are stored online forever - based in a bunker in Svalbard, beyond earthquakes and wars - but it's costly. You have to pay a chunk of cash every month and you have to keep paying it or your stuff gets wiped - I suspect that wouldn't be as popular as it would need to be??
Any product without a cost (as the Steam service/client/Steamworks stuff is to you, the player) means that it's not a product - YOU are the product :)Creator of Steam Greenlight LITE
23-01-2013, 02:49 AM #25
Why don't you let the adults talk now, k' sweetie?Virtual Pilot 3Dô NEVER NOT SCAM!
23-01-2013, 02:55 AM #26
Apropos of nothing, I recognize people on this forum largely by their avatars, and this "Vinraith in a jar" thing is throwing me for a loop.
23-01-2013, 03:03 AM #27
Ignoring the lover's spat:
Yes, you can potentially be banned from any service for any reason at any time.
In practice, you won't be. Why? Bad publicity. Those EULAs are super vague because it is covering asses. People freak out when a new EULA must be accepted, so you go vague. You can always choose to not enforce an EULA, but you have to make sure that your actions fall under the vague "not really a law" banner.
But let's consider the cases that are often cited of being unfairly banned:
Exploiting a bug/glitch: In all popular cases where this has occurred (Guild Wars 2 being the most recent), the "normal everyday person who innocently used an exploit" is not harmed. At all. It is the people who actively abuse it. Yes, there is a question of "What counts as abuse?", but I don't think anyone has ever really been on the threshold of "If I had just raped one less smurf, people would laugh it off"
Horrifying behavior: Around the launch of Battlefield 3, people were banned from BF3 (was it Origin/all of EA, or just BF3?) for filling the forums with hatespeech and vitriol. Something similar happened with Mass Effect 3. Honestly, can any of you say that you want to play with the people who scream things like "I <forcefully had sex with> your mom you <derogatory term for a person of african descent>"? Seriously, can you, with a straight face, say that you want to play with those people in multiplayer games? If people can be banned for cheating and hacking, why not for making the world a worse place?
Quoting said horrifying behavior: There was one case that WAS brought up in which someone was wrongfully banned because they quoted a (relatively) tame post on Battlelog, and I think even EA admitted that was a screw-up and fixed his account after it was properly brought to their attention.
Being "wrongfully banned" for somethign trivial: In almost every case (I would say every case, but I am sure there is an exception), after the news media freaked out over how wrongful it was, evidence came to light that they were banned for something else entirely.
Again, it is in a company's best interest to not wrongfully ban people. You aren't special, they aren't going to make an example out of you for having a spray tag of copyrighted Hello Kitty.
As far as "What if the service goes down?"
Honestly, I don't see that as a problem in most cases. As long as you stick to titles on the major services (Steam and POSSIBLY Origin, although I am not sure if I trust EA in the long-run) you don't have to worry. Because by the time those companies go out of business, odds are your games wouldn't work anyway due to lack of backwards compatibility across four generations of an OS. And even if it does, piracy is always an option.
That being said, for the smaller sites (like GoG), I do strongly suggest backing up your downloads if you refuse to be a pirate or just like the convenience (I re-buy games on GoG because it is so convenient to install and play).Steam: Gundato
If you want me on either service, I suggest PMing me here first to let me know who you are.
23-01-2013, 03:10 AM #28
23-01-2013, 03:38 AM #29
If we're going to pick about EULAs then we should be holding everyone to the same standard. You're absolutely right that just because something is in the EULA it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be enforced, but that doesn't always mean it should be disregarded.
23-01-2013, 04:05 AM #30
Is cracking my steam backups for offline use something I could practically do on my own as a skilled computer user and intermediate programmer with no hacking/pirating experience to speak of? What would be the, legally speaking, safest way to do such a thing in the event of a Steam meltdown or ban?
I ask primarily because I'm not sure how practical and balanced a suggestion you're making by instructing people to backup, in some cases, dozens of games and repeat the process across major game updates and bug-fixes in the hopes that they'll be able to crack it open later without having to resort to full-game piracy.
That said, I'd recommend backups for other reasons. Any game bigger than 1GB that you remove and then reinstall frequently is a great candidate for backup. A lot of ISPs charge you extra when your data rates go up to a certain level over a short period, and I found out the hard way (and saved myself some cash by pointing out that the policy was, in my case, utterly unadvertised even in fine print) that installing a chunk of my steam collection over a few days while regular household usage continues (including other downloads, online play, video streaming, etc from multiple users) after a full-system meltdown and reformatting is an excellent way to hit those caps.
Last edited by gwathdring; 23-01-2013 at 04:09 AM.I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardustís Music Sounds Better With You. Thereís lots of fog. --tomeoftom
You ruined his point by putting it in context thatís cheating -bull0
23-01-2013, 04:12 AM #31
23-01-2013, 04:12 AM #32I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardustís Music Sounds Better With You. Thereís lots of fog. --tomeoftom
You ruined his point by putting it in context thatís cheating -bull0
23-01-2013, 04:45 AM #33
I see nothing forbidding me from making backups of all the games I bought from Steam, in fact I see information on how to actually do it. It's not the ideal solution, it most certainly could be better. I never said it couldn't and that was the best we could get.
I still make it a habit to look everywhere else for a game DRM-free before settling with Steam or unless they've put a deep enough discount on it that even if it did self-destruct I wouldn't feel swindled.
I chew out EA because they've gone and actually made good on dumb threats, making ridiculous rules in their agreements like forum ban = no games for you and enforcing them. Saying one evil is the lesser of two is not a double standard. Not unless you want to mangle context to the point of nonrecognition.
The potential to be horrible ≠ being horrible. When Valve plans/does something horrible then I'll chew them out too.
Virtual Pilot 3Dô NEVER NOT SCAM!
23-01-2013, 05:10 AM #34
23-01-2013, 09:30 AM #35
Does Origin even have an offline mode? I still complain about Steam's offline mode being wonky. But the fact that it's there and they should support it if I call them on it is more than someone else offers.
What if it looks like a poor desparte little kid who can't form a coherent argument and has to fall back on the "Well you're a fanboy! So there!" cop-out, acts like like a poor desperate little kid who can't form a coherent argument and has to fall back on the "Well you're a fanboy! So there!" cop-out, and posts like a poor desperate little kid who can't form a coherent argument and has to fall back on the "Well you're a fanboy! So there!" cop-out?
Yeah, no one has been banned with EA's EULA.
Last edited by Kadayi; 23-01-2013 at 09:33 AM.
23-01-2013, 10:09 AM #36
23-01-2013, 10:21 AM #37Originally Posted by Kadayi
Not that I mind you saying that Steam's offline mode is unreliable now, but why the change of heart?
23-01-2013, 11:05 AM #38
Also Wulf is still banned....unbelievable
Last edited by Kadayi; 23-01-2013 at 01:36 PM.
23-01-2013, 12:29 PM #39
Nobody should have the power to take away my games, they should at least have to get past me and my shovel first.
23-01-2013, 01:02 PM #40