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    Are games worth the investment put in them?

    Yes, i know it's the logical culmination of what been bandied about by RPS commenters recently. Yes, the username could do with some work, and it's a goal rather then a statement, and to be honest, i like books. Regardless, it troubles me. This site and it's readership are very much for everything that's good in gaming, and avidly working against it's bad points. They help small companies gain deserved attention and business, and have helped to raise the game or at least... well, pointed it out when it's clonking construction workers on it's way down. Gaming is something that''s not going to die, and neither should it, and it can, has and will achieve great things.

    I read this site marveling at an industry where when one of my friends says maybe he's grow out of games and i retort that he'll come back with the rest when VR hits, we can laugh and have more then a little uncertainty as to whether I'll end up being right. I look at the announcements of new and drool worthy games like the Witcher 3, whatever obsidian's doing by all accounts, and star citizen. I know that i likely wont buy them though, or only after extensive rationalization when there on a preposterously cheap sale. Billions are sunk into this industry, and on a site which discusses current events in gaming, apple's and others prohibitive outlook on such, closed markets and much else, i struggle to yes, justify the 40 quid i spent on Arkham City, or even to a lesser extent the ridiculously cheap bundles i snapped up. Do games, especially games as they are now, or even in their ideal form, need this much time and resources, irrespective of how much i want to venture into new worlds? Aren't their better ways of doing it, of sating our need for rest and relaxation and creativity without neglecting the rest?

    I know that the market for bigger and better is not going anywhere soon. I know it's symptomatic of a much wider and pervasive way of doing things, which need to be addressed before a considerable impact can be made, but with the platform that games have, perhaps we could make a start.

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    Is fun worth the time investment ?

    What your friend is really saying is that he cares more about social pressure than his own fun. It's similar to how you're perceived as immature if, as a grown man, you dress in shorts and t-shirt. There's no logical, factual explanation for this, it's just looked down upon for cultural reasons.
    Video gaming carries no stigma in Asia, and no one raises an eyebrow when he sees a grandma at an arcade machine.

    As to the claim that games are shallow or dumb, yes, many games are. As far as proportions go, games have become more expensive to make and simpler. Tell me what games you play and I'll tell you who you are. There are tons of shallow books as well. Go into a library and you'll see several bookshelves of uniform, pink books.
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    Why not? I video games are entertainment for you, I don't see what's wrong with that. I mean, heck an audiophile would buy a huge sound system for thousands of bucks just to hear his/her collection of songs better than with just a measly Walkman and that guy would still say it's good investment, although not many would agree and see that as just a waste of money.
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    Are movies worth it? Is music worth it?

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    Worth and value are very subjective things. I for one find myself sometimes spending too much time entertaining myself (playing). Too much here means that I don't spend enough time with other aspirations that I personally value higher than fun. Fun is fun though, and games produce that with very little work whereas these other aspirations are like work. Sometimes I have problems striking a balance between fun and other hobbies.
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    Is life worth living?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KauhuK View Post
    Is life worth living?
    Not if there are no games to play...
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    Yes, they are worth the investment if you like them more than doing other things. No, they are not worth the investment if you don't like them more than doing other things. If you like them more than doing other things, they are extremely cost-effective entertainment.
    Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanH View Post
    Yes, they are worth the investment if you like them more than doing other things. No, they are not worth the investment if you don't like them more than doing other things. If you like them more than doing other things, they are extremely cost-effective entertainment.
    I'm not sure liking things more than other things makes it worthwhile, to me. I mean wanking, loads of fun but it doesn't really give you a sense of achievement.

    I often find myself derailed from things I consider more fulfilling hobbies (the littering of my flat with half written essays, half drawn pictures and half written computer programs) by video games. As they're an easier form of entertainment. But this is true of trashy novels, TV, lots of music and many films. So meh!

    Basically I'm suggesting that enjoyment isn't necessarily the be all and end all. Personally I get an uneasy sense of dread about how I'm a programmer in the industry, I mean I could probably get a job programming educational software to improve schools or hospitals or something else with a social impact I consider more fulfilling.

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    Zephro... that's creepy. I just pretty much wanted to write exactly the same post. O_o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    I'm not sure liking things more than other things makes it worthwhile, to me. I mean wanking, loads of fun but it doesn't really give you a sense of achievement.

    I often find myself derailed from things I consider more fulfilling hobbies (the littering of my flat with half written essays, half drawn pictures and half written computer programs) by video games. As they're an easier form of entertainment. But this is true of trashy novels, TV, lots of music and many films. So meh!

    Basically I'm suggesting that enjoyment isn't necessarily the be all and end all. Personally I get an uneasy sense of dread about how I'm a programmer in the industry, I mean I could probably get a job programming educational software to improve schools or hospitals or something else with a social impact I consider more fulfilling.
    If you like doing things you consider "fulfilling" more than doing things you consider not "fulfilling", then you should do the things you consider "fulfilling". If you like doing things you consider not "fulfilling" more than things you consider "fulfilling", then you should do the things you consider not "fulfilling". And probably change your thoughts about what is "fulfilling".

    If it's more a matter of liking some things but realizing other things are better for your life in the long run, that's quite normal and reasonable and you just have to find a decent balance and not spend every waking hour wanking. But the occasional wank never hurt anyone, and can even be considered worthwhile if it makes life better for you for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    Personally I get an uneasy sense of dread about how I'm a programmer in the industry, I mean I could probably get a job programming educational software to improve schools or hospitals or something else with a social impact I consider more fulfilling.
    "What’s wrong with education cannot be fixed with technology. No amount of technology will make a dent."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    "What’s wrong with education cannot be fixed with technology. No amount of technology will make a dent."
    - Steve Jobs

    See? Steve just saved you from a terrible career path switch!
    The minute I take moral guidance from that prick... also as an egotistical basically libertarian he can go take a jump on another count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    The minute I take moral guidance from that prick... also as an egotistical basically libertarian he can go take a jump on another count.
    I don't agree with a lot of his views but he's right on this one: a software suite is not going to replace a great teacher with proven teaching methods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    "What’s wrong with education cannot be fixed with technology. No amount of technology will make a dent."
    - Steve Jobs
    As a mostly self-educated person (thanks to technology for the most part) I take offense at that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ado View Post
    As a mostly self-educated person (thanks to technology for the most part) I take offense at that statement.
    it's pretty clear that the quote is in reference to school education, not autodidacticism. Calm down :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    Well no but it could make said teacher's job a bit easier, or make the admission process to uni go smoother etc. So he was making a spurious point. Also the particular quote just stinks of smug self worth.
    sure it can help, but there is a danger school teachers use software as a crutch to not do as good a job as they should. The guy actually went into great detail about the importance of great teachers, maybe you should read the article?
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    Aww man, you didn't use the word 'posit' or end with 'Discuss?'

    How can we have a discussion now?
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    I'd say about 85% of my gaming time in the last year has been taken up by DotA 2 and The Binding of Isaac, games I paid a total of about $5 for. Games that occupy my hands and eyes while I soak up a good podcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabrage View Post
    I'd say about 85% of my gaming time in the last year has been taken up by DotA 2
    Just last year? It's my 5th already. The only time I'm not playing is when I am stuck with my crapbook, which was good part of 2011 and half 2012.

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    It's hard to say whether games are worth the investment, as quality varies so heavily. Some games are utterly brilliant, while others are distilled crap. Then there's the huge chunk of average games.

    The amount of time required to properly evaluate a game is a factor as well. I rarely leave the cinema thinking that I've just wasted two hours of my life, but many games leave me with that feeling. Some games, chiefly decent-but-not-good RPGs, require quite many hours of play before I discard them (I'm very cautious about trying new RPGs because of this).

    If I don't really enjoy the game, it isn't worth the time I spend on it. The same applies if the game is okay, but too long. If the net value of my time spent is negative, it is inherently not worth the money spent either. I really wish developers would make shorter games with more distilled enjoyment. Quality over quantity and all that. Am I expecting this to happen? No.

    Following this argument, I should probably quit gaming. The truth is that most of my time in games feels more like passing time than enjoying it. Few games are genuinely enjoyable to me. However, the games that really get me make the whole thing worth it.

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