Are games worth the investment put in them?

[Kadayi]

Since when was my discussion dependent on the OP?

Derail much?

[Nalano]

Derail much?

So if I patiently wait for the OP to come respond, I'm trolled, but if I allow the conversation to continue on its natural course, I'm a troll.

There's no winning with you. Why do I even listen to you--

--ah, there's the problem. La!

[Kadayi]

So if I patiently wait for the OP to come respond, I'm trolled, but if I allow the conversation to continue on its natural course, I'm a troll.

Pretty sure that B0rsuk was talking generally rather than responding to you personally. Not sure where you're pulling this 'I'm a troll' thing from though.

There's no winning with you. Why do I even listen to you--

Because you are weak and you can't help yourself.

Maybe your next post can be faintly back on topic, Vs airing your persecution complex

[sabrage]

your percussion complex

[Jiiiiim]

Badum tish

[Kadayi]

Badum tish

Appropriate indeed.

[Faldrath]

Terry Bozzio's kit?

[frightlever]

You have been successfully trolled. Novel, the OP, has only made 1 post in this 3-page thread.

I don't think it's trolling. Ever since Quinns wrote about his carefully constructed and reconstructed forum personality that he used to help oil his way into games journalism, I've noticed a lot of these audition posts from people hoping to get called up to the big leagues. OP is probably concerned he may say something "wrong" which would hurt the image he's trying to portray. Oh, no slam on Quinns, BTW. He was describing quite openly the mechanical aspects of how he got into games journalism.

As for the, perfectly legitimate, question: I've made and lost and made fortunes, competed in several internationally renowned clipper races, failed to climb Everest and for a change of pace have recently started volunteering full time. I play games to relax, although I felt pretty good completing Space Miner on my iPad.

I may be lying about a lot of the above. Not the Space Miner boast - some things are sacred.

[Kadayi]

I don't think it's trolling. Ever since Quinns wrote about his carefully constructed and reconstructed forum personality that he used to help oil his way into games journalism, I've noticed a lot of these audition posts from people hoping to get called up to the big leagues. OP is probably concerned he may say something "wrong" which would hurt the image he's trying to portray. Oh, no slam on Quinns, BTW. He was describing quite openly the mechanical aspects of how he got into games journalism.

If that is somehow the OPs hope, he/she is barking up the wrong tree only Jim really pays any attention to the forums. I'd say a better course of action is to just start writing reviews for smaller sites and build up a body of work.

[Berzee]

I've made and lost and made fortunes, competed in several internationally renowned clipper races, failed to climb Everest and for a change of pace have recently started volunteering full time. I play games to relax

At least three out of those four things ARE games.

[Kadayi]

At least three out of those four things ARE games.

Is volunteering full-time on that list?

[Berzee]

Is volunteering full-time on that list?

It may well be. At least 75% yes.

[Kadayi]

It may well be. At least 75% yes.

Suicide hotline

Next years big indie hit

[Novel]

I had no idea when this would be approved, but I'm utterly amazed at how far the point has been missed. I'm not talking about games in terms of fulfillment, I'm talking about where billions upon billions put into a leisure industry with it's take of time and resources could be going to far more useful ends, as not all of us live where this hobby can exactly be humored. The only thing fulfillment has to do with it is whether it's worth the initial investment for the increase in psychological health and possibly productivity. As you may have guessed, the same goes for much else.

[Novel]

I'm flattered, but please cut out the arguments over the definition of counter trolling.

[Nalano]

I had no idea when this would be approved, but I'm utterly amazed at how far the point has been missed. I'm not talking about games in terms of fulfillment, I'm talking about where billions upon billions put into a leisure industry with it's take of time and resources could be going to far more useful ends, as not all of us live where this hobby can exactly be humored. The only thing fulfillment has to do with it is whether it's worth the initial investment for the increase in psychological health and possibly productivity. As you may have guessed, the same goes for much else.

So the "why are we wasting money on luxury entertainment when people are starving in Africa" argument, then?

Because our economy is a domestic consumer-based economy and vidja games are a multi-billion dollar industry. Also, because it's better than spending that money bombing another country. Hell, we still got Republicans demanding we build more tanks not because we need more tanks but because the states in which the tanks are built need jobs.

[Kadayi]

So the "why are we wasting money on luxury entertainment when people are starving in Africa" argument, then?

Seems so. Oh the humanity.

I'm flattered, but please cut out the arguments over the definition of counter trolling.

You're not even original it appears.

[Novel]

I'm well aware of the realities of modern economics, and politics in that particular "develop the undeveloped" stance. On the other hand, if DRM and such like are honestly the best criteria we can come up with, I'm disappointed. It's not exactly impossible to work within the boundaries of the current system. As for the last point, i did already answer that in the first post. Maybe a little less strawmanning would be nice. There's a difference between naively donating abused funds and continuously doing fuck all.

Edit:
On the other hand, strawmanning is an easy enough mistake on the webs given the seeming sum intellect on display. I appreciate bothering with a reasoned response.

Additional edit: The blog link was a nice touch, given online animosity's.

[Nalano]

I'm well aware of the realities of modern economics, and politics in that particular "develop the undeveloped" stance. On the other hand, if DRM and such like are honestly the best criteria we can come up with, I'm disappointed. It's not exactly impossible to work within the boundaries of the current system. As for the last point, i did already answer that in the first post. Maybe a little less strawmanning would be nice. There's a difference between naively donating abused funds and continuously doing fuck all.

Edit:
On the other hand, strawmanning is an easy enough mistake on the webs given the seeming sum intellect on display. I appreciate bothering with a reasoned response.

Additional edit: The blog link was a nice touch, given online animosity's.

I don't understand what you're trying to get at. The people who want DRM tacked on are not the people who want to add their artistic merit to the world, and either way the idea of being employed is more important in the grand scheme of what one is being employed to do. Since we'd have a moral crisis, according to the right wing, if we just ended poverty outright, even paying people to dig and fill ditches is better than nothing.

As for the merits of the industry, I dunno what to tell you: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Even in your original post, you found a lot worth enjoying - mentioning the works of CDProjekt and Obsidian specifically - and while there's plenty to complain about, it's not like there's absolutely no benefit. We wouldn't be here if that was the case.

If you're alluding, then, to ways we could make this industry better themselves in an artistic sense, well, petition Congress to fund the National Endowment for the Arts in the hopes of promoting gaming as an art form and not solely, say, the province of licensed virtual military firearms. :P

[Caddybear]

You have limited time between when you are born and when you die. Do whatever you can get away with, there are no rules anywhere. On the way you'll invent yourself a thought system and a moral compass to justify the things you do anyway, so it's alright. We all do it.

If you like playing games, sure. In the bigger scheme of things that is just as insignificant as anything else you might be doing instead. There is no inherent value in anything. All that matters is how much you like doing that thing or how that improves your chances of doing other things you like so it's kind of a ladder you use to get to the higher shelf for the cookies.

If you like gaming so much that you forget to eat and sleep and die, that is time well spent. Not very efficiently spent since you could probably prolong the time you could be playing video games if you actually survived, but that's neither here nor there.