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    Quote Originally Posted by gwathdring View Post
    Doesn't matter especially much. Micro-aggressions are still oppressive.
    There is literally nothing about any of these tropes that is oppressive to anyone..


    @ the PS part: Why does it matter if they are balanced? Space sims and FPS games aren't in balance either, who gives a shit?
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    Space sims and FPS games aren't people.

    You know, I am glad you posted in this thread, because you're a handy reminder of all that's wrong with the gaming community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    There is literally nothing about any of these tropes that is oppressive to anyone..
    Did you decide this before or after putting three seconds of thought in to it for the first time in your life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenegoose View Post
    Space sims and FPS games aren't people.

    You know, I am glad you posted in this thread, because you're a handy reminder of all that's wrong with the gaming community.
    Neither are video game characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    Neither are video game characters.
    One represents people, other doesn't. It's not excactly a hard concept.

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    So I clicked on this thread wondering how it had 7 more pages and then I saw Hyper and I w as like: Ah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoLAoS View Post
    So I clicked on this thread wondering how it had 7 more pages and then I saw Hyper and I w as like: Ah.
    I really should know better at this point.

    But he should be glad that someone isn't afraid to disagree with him on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenegoose View Post
    I really should know better at this point.

    But he should be glad that someone isn't afraid to disagree with him on the internet.
    In this thread: A woman proves she has more stamina than thirty guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenegoose View Post
    I really should know better at this point.

    But he should be glad that someone isn't afraid to disagree with him on the internet.
    Oh, you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaira- View Post
    One represents people, other doesn't. It's not excactly a hard concept.
    No, it really doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    In this thread: A woman proves she has more stamina than thirty guys.
    I was hoping Unaco would come back and confess his love for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    In this thread: A woman proves she has more stamina than thirty guys.
    Does hearing the double entendre in there make me an objectifying chauvinist? 'Cause now I'm worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjlr View Post
    Does hearing the double entendre in there make me an objectifying chauvinist? 'Cause now I'm worried.
    Nah, it makes you a cool dude, like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    Nah, it makes you a cool dude, like me.
    Yeah, but I also think unequal treatment, even in fiction, is a bad thing. So maybe I'm not so cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    There is literally nothing about any of these tropes that is oppressive to anyone..


    @ the PS part: Why does it matter if they are balanced? Space sims and FPS games aren't in balance either, who gives a shit?
    Different kinds of balance. Your argument is a fallacious non-sequitur. You examples don't hand out different kinds of enjoyment based on how well you align with gender dynamics around which much oppression occurs. They hand out enjoyment based on whether or not your prefer running around shooting dudes or flying around shooting dudes in a detailed manner. Very different kinds of balance.

    Are you familiar with the concept of a micro-aggression and why it's a problem? I really don't mean to patronize if you do; perhaps you simply feel that these tropes make a poor example but they seem like a case study in problematic micro-aggression to me so perhaps clarifying my unnecessary jargon is a good place to start. If you're familiar with the concept and why it's a problem, what is it about gender-specific tropes that escapes from the same scrutiny?
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    Move away from the personal attacks. Put your hands behind your back.. no wait.

    Keep it excellent people.

    Also note: everyone ignored my bit about consent. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    Move away from the personal attacks. Put your hands behind your back.. no wait.

    Keep it excellent people.

    Also note: everyone ignored my bit about consent. Interesting.
    What are you referring to? How far back was it? I hunted around and couldn't find it.
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    I... cant remember what page it was on, but it could have been 20ish. or was it 30? its probably quicker to look through my post history o_O

    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    note to everyone: be a tad more excellent.


    Note to people saying that its not natural: porn, sex trade, prostitution: I think for every one of those: if there is no consent, its wrong, no matter what it is. Porn is a tricky one, because it says it consents, but the background sometimes/mostly (depending on the region where it comes from, Russia for example is very low on consent and the US has problems in that direction too) is very consent-less.

    Prostitution is, again, very high on the consentless indicator. Much higher than porn. And so on.

    Whenever you see someone talk about rape culture and that it's being perpetuated, this means:
    it is a structure of not needing consent to do whatever. (usually sexual) This does not mean you're all sex crazy, humping everything that moves. This means that the general consensus, even if you do not subscribe to it (or have it imprinted into your subconscious) is that consent is not necessary.

    This has been going on for thousands of years, and it's been improving, slowly, but it takes thought to see through all this crap, and thought I will spend on it.
    this one. page 30 it was.
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    I thought that hypothesis was interesting: the general consent-less, take-whatever-I-want attitude in sexual entertainment could possibly feed into the general 'rape culture' mentality. I think breast physics probably helps too.

    That 'there's no variety because there's no demand' argument is flawed. The market is far from saturated yet, as the majority of the human population aren't gamers, yet. That's where the demand lies. This is a good time to claim market share by doing something different, because the same ol' same sure won't be enough to entice the hugely untapped market. And I'm not even talking about equality here, it's just pure business and cold, hard profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    There is literally nothing about any of these tropes that is oppressive to anyone..
    The misuse of "literally" makes me figuratively insane.
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    You know, recently I took a step back and looked at this from a wider perspective. I don't really find a great deal of fault with the tenets of what Sarkeesian is shooting for, although admittedly I find her abrasive, self-contradictory and occasionally hypocritical. Perhaps also I looked at certain things like Ivy Valentine's outfits in SC or just about anything Bayonetta does and expected a certain amount of suspension of disbelief would be applied. Maybe a bad assumption on my part, but I know it was the whole kickstarter windfall that got me truly incensed. So chalk up my misgivings to retarded envy but it's hardly an inhuman emotion for someone who's living an impoverished lifestyle to take issue at someone they perceive to be getting a king's ransom for free. I'm not excusing this behavior in myself, I am simply explaining the motivations.

    What woke me up is looking at the people I had found myself allied with in my disdain for her. The kind of sexist, racist, malevolent hivemind of miscreants that have been mercilessly bullying and abusing me for the better portion of my existence. When you find yourself on the same side as the scum and villainy who populate the dens of iniquity and wretched hives through cyberspace and meatspace as well...It's time to rethink one's position.

    I guess you can say I have softened my stance on her. Though I withhold the right to point out when her arguments become silly, such as pink legos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Herald View Post
    What woke me up is looking at the people I had found myself allied with in my disdain for her. The kind of sexist, racist, malevolent hivemind of miscreants that have been mercilessly bullying and abusing me for the better portion of my existence. When you find yourself on the same side as the scum and villainy who populate the dens of iniquity and wretched hives through cyberspace and meatspace as well...It's time to rethink one's position.
    Hah! This is brilliant.

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