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Thread: Women vs Tropes in Video Games
22-03-2013, 09:31 AM #901
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I'm sympathetic with her goals, but it all comes across as an undergraduate paper. Citation of irrelevant encyclopedic facts just to show you did some homework (the first that gave a chuckle: trotting out French phrases that have literal renderings in English, then translating them to illuminate ... absolutely nothing), some very dry reading of stilted language, and rather banal insights.
I was hoping that the budget and time would have afforded something more compelling and engaging. And it probably should have.
I think she's just not very good at this kind of thing, and it's a shame the controversy propped her up. But maybe she's inspired someone else with real talent for argument, stage presence or production value to take it on. Here's hoping.
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22-03-2013, 10:46 AM #902I guess you can say I have softened my stance on her. Though I withhold the right to point out when her arguments become silly, such as pink legos.
10 minute youtube videos are hardly going to be ground breaking academic works, but they at least get some conversation going and get people into either reading more or having a think.
22-03-2013, 10:55 AM #903
I'm just saying that if Pink Legos were poured out in front of me, I would not spend my time criticizing the color. I would simply start building things.
22-03-2013, 10:59 AM #904
do they? I think that think doesnt really go beyond "oh dear". like some indigestion. but then again, its one thing to figure out how to improve a situation, its another to carry it out. I think we're heading in the right direction, so hopefully, it's a matter of time. and yes, it will take time. if thats not enough, I suggest improving it on a personal level. thats more than enough, really.- Tom De Roeck.
"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."
"It's frankly embarrassing. The mods on here are woeful."
"I wrinkled my nose at QC being a mod."
"At least he has some personality."
22-03-2013, 11:00 AM #905
I mean have you seen it these days? There's so little building involved as you get all these special pink princess parts, which don't really fit with the base stuff, or alternately these stupid warrior lego things for boys. It's just shit lego basically.
Note: by shit I mean "not like when I was a kid!"
22-03-2013, 11:23 AM #906
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Over Christmas I spent about five hours building a Lego Millennium Falcon with my eldest. Very few of the pieces are custom designed (apart from the cockpit window section) and would easily lend themselves to other building projects.
Although I agree about the warrior Lego stuff, but that's kind of separate from the rest of the Lego and, ironically, lends itself more to character based story play than other Lego. Which I believe is what they were trying to strive towards with the Lego Friends
22-03-2013, 11:55 AM #907
Yeah but it's the story stuff that annoys me. I wasn't talking about ALL lego. I've got some of the star wars lego and still have a few lego Technic super cars bought when I was far too old for them. They're still great.
But the Friends stuff... the fact that the figures aren't yellow lego people bugs me. It's all apart from traditional lego, rather than just being a part of it. You're right it looks less like custom bits than last time I saw it.
That does not look as complicated or as good as the Lego Town stuff. It also strikes me that it ought to just be part of the Lego town stuff. Keep the same look and feel but add a stable or whatever stereotypical "girl" thing you want, but do it within the existing framework. Though even looking at the City stuff now there aren't any actual houses, just firestations and cops and robbers sets. It seems way more gendered than it did when I was a child. Also the categories are all "Something" fighter or conquest etc.
As a side note, I genuinely think lego could be a force for good in these kinds of situations. As I work in programming and my experience of it and university and school was that women don't show an interest in maths/engineering (not ability but interest). I'm sure so much of that could be solved by raising girls on lego, mechano, train sets like we all were.
22-03-2013, 11:55 AM #908
some neat kits. Then then there's always lego technic (which has always been my "home" in the lego universe).currently playing: Assetto Corsa
22-03-2013, 12:01 PM #909
22-03-2013, 12:02 PM #910
1) There's no such thing as being too old for lego, don't be silly. You can never be too old for jigsaw puzzles and Lego is one of the best forms of relaxation that also gets keeps your mind active. The only problem I have with lego now is that they pretty much got rid of the traditional big red lego box, where all you got was 500 random blocks and you just built whatever you wanted. They've too many sets now where the idea is to follow the instructions and go step by step, obviously great for things like star wars ships and advanced technic cars, but I miss the basics.
2) Mechano is garbage now. I miss when it was a tray of assorted lengths and shapes of flimsy metal. Now it's just what lego is but worse, at least with a lego town set you get bits you can use however you want. Most mechano these days seems to be custom pieces for that set.
22-03-2013, 12:26 PM #911
Yeah that's the kind of Lego I remember. Then you get all the different sets and heap them into one massive bits box, which you unload on the carpet ruining your mother's plans for the day. But that's a perfect example of a toy that encourages creativity, spatial awareness, mathematical/engineering thinking etc. All children should be given lego, if I were running for Parliament it'd be on my manifesto.
Whenever I visit my step cousins they have a mix of boys and girls. They give the girls princess dresses and the boys lego and toy guns, that kind of thing just makes me sad. Whenever I'm around at Christmas I make a particular point of a) not talking about football or being actively rude about football b) sitting down with them, though especially the girls, and building cool lego stuff.
22-03-2013, 12:33 PM #912
22-03-2013, 01:17 PM #913
At christmas myself and my girlfriend sat down to build a lego set. Her two little nieces had been given almost nothing but barbies. They where both amazed and captivated by the lego.
You're absolutely right, every child should play with lego. They should also bring back the red bucket. I too loved doing what you did, getting my missmash of bricks and dumping them out in a massive pile.
22-03-2013, 01:34 PM #914
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22-03-2013, 01:35 PM #915
22-03-2013, 04:00 PM #916
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I think you're correct about the city stuff, it is mainly things that do stuff (fire engines etc.) rather than buildings. I suspect this has been driven by the market more than anything else but even so it would be nice to see a few more direct links between some of the themed sets and the Lego Friends set.
Or possibly even a more female friendly franchise being pushed forward. I'm not sure what this would be though, The Hunger Games?
22-03-2013, 05:19 PM #917
It does, however, incite this sort of discussion in turn which is hopefully a little more useful because a wider range of voices chime in, it's not passive consumption, and the result is probably a fair bit more balanced.
Not sure whether these videos are, on the whole, good or just not bad.I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardustís Music Sounds Better With You. Thereís lots of fog. --tomeoftom
You ruined his point by putting it in context thatís cheating -bull0
22-03-2013, 05:37 PM #918
I don't think it needs a 'special' female-friendly lego set (honestly: I find most of the sets aimed at boys rather silly). Just bring back big bags with lego of different sizes and colors (including pink if you have to). When I was little I was e.g. building tons of x-wings, y-wings and tie-fighters without the need for specialized star wars sets. I don't think I was so special that the kids of today wouldn't be able to do such things.currently playing: Assetto Corsa
22-03-2013, 05:39 PM #919
22-03-2013, 05:41 PM #920
That bucket isn't red, get the hell outta here!