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    The 80s was a terrible decade. I don't know why people are so insistent on reliving it this generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    The 80s was a terrible decade. I don't know why people are so insistent on reliving it this generation.
    Because they only remember the good parts, funny clothes and ridiculous hairdo. They forget not being able to eat vegetables in 86, learning about M.A.D. in school, growing up in a neighbourhood where new houses have nuclear bomb shelters, people shooting their fellow citizen because they try to climb a wall towards the west etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winged Nazgul View Post
    Seems reasonable enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makariel View Post
    Because they only remember the good parts, funny clothes and ridiculous hairdo. They forget not being able to eat vegetables in 86, learning about M.A.D. in school, growing up in a neighbourhood where new houses have nuclear bomb shelters, people shooting their fellow citizen because they try to climb a wall towards the west etc.
    They remember this



    but not this



    Same as the 50s - that common bugaboo of the GOP platform - where they imagine the halcyon days as this



    and not this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    The 80s was a terrible decade. I don't know why people are so insistent on reliving it this generation.
    People are always nostalgic for things 20-40 years ago. Since, naturally, it's when the current crop of young-to-middle-age adults were growing up and coming of age.

    I mean, there was MAD 1890s nostalgia in the 1920s. And so on. Lot of people loved them the 1900s, too, a little later, but there there's the added bonus of it being the last hurrah of the old order before an apocalyptic war. There's probably earlier examples, if I could be bothered to look them up - I bet the early Victorians were just pining for the Regency days. And a lot of the more famous novels of the 1800s are set about 20-30 years before they were written.

    And as Nalano says it's easier to forget the shit parts.

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    The general trend in Victorian times was to lament and curse the regency. So i'm not sure how true that is.

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    ahhh the glory days. anyhow, women vs tropes right on our doorstep. its not a coincidence that apparently a slew of people took it upon themselves to out that RPS is shite just as Cara posted an interview. Her first even.
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    I don't know if it's a coincidence or not but there seems to be a lot of articles written about women and gaming in the wake of the first Women vs. Tropes video. If it's not a coincidence, then it certainly puts the lie to the attitude that the series was useless/not needed. Here's another good one:

    http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/28/415...eason-to-be-in

    Gamasutra editor at large Leigh Alexander explained that sexists, who are often convinced they're not sexist, do not exist in a vacuum.

    "Empathy is a surprisingly hard thing for people to learn," Alexander said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    ahhh the glory days. anyhow, women vs tropes right on our doorstep. its not a coincidence that apparently a slew of people took it upon themselves to out that RPS is shite just as Cara posted an interview. Her first even.
    It still miffs me when people say "but I just don't see it."

    Because you know who does? Women. And the important question, just like what minorities go through on a daily basis, is when they have to ask themselves, "do I ignore the multitudinous slights - overt or covert, intentional and unintentional - so I can participate in the venue, do I risk looking like a killjoy by constantly correcting people, or do I just say 'fuck it' and leave?"
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    Are we differentiating between tropes within the medium and attitudes within the scene / industry, or have we combined those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berzee View Post
    Are we differentiating between tropes within the medium and attitudes within the scene / industry, or have we combined those?
    I think they feed off each other.
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    I thought we were still on about transgenders and how they're not represented enough in games. Really, is Poison enough?
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    I haven't really kept up with what's going on in here, so responding to this latest stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winged Nazgul View Post
    I don't know if it's a coincidence or not but there seems to be a lot of articles written about women and gaming in the wake of the first Women vs. Tropes video. If it's not a coincidence, then it certainly puts the lie to the attitude that the series was useless/not needed.
    I believe the main point was to foster discussion. That has been achieved. Whether or not that has resulted in positive out-comes, well...we'll see, but I think awareness is a good thing, even if there's a few people pissed off whatever way. I've certainly seen a lot more articles to do with this and that so it does seem like more women are coming out and saying "Hey, look, actually, I agree, this rubbish needs to stop." And that can only be good.

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    Are we differentiating between tropes within the medium and attitudes within the scene / industry, or have we combined those?
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    I think they feed off each other.
    Indeed. It's a culturally-wide issue, so it requires at least someone to make the first step and that for the next part in the chain to acknowledge this and carry that forward. Until that happens, things will remain the same way.
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    Whoa - some IGDA fallout from GDC after the talk I linked to in my last post:

    http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/28/415...ro-resignation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    The general trend in Victorian times was to lament and curse the regency. So i'm not sure how true that is.
    Fair enough; it was just a general observation of mine, and I was struggling to think of an example of two eras the right distance apart (those being the first to mind). It's not my field, and I'd definitely agree they thought of it as a bad thing (the Regency in particular), but romanticising one's childhood era is pretty universal, from what can I judge. For a more concrete example: the early 1800s were significantly colder than the late 1800s, and so the childhood winters of the nineteenth century's great artists were colder and snowier, thus solidifying the popular image of winter (and specifically, Christmas) as far more (for lack of a better word) "wintery" than reality (same thing for us, really, only this time it's entirely our own fault; thanks, greenhouse gases!).

    General nostalgia for the past (and not a specifically generational cycle) is also a thing, of course, so I guess it's important to differentiate the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winged Nazgul View Post
    Whoa - some IGDA fallout from GDC after the talk I linked to in my last post:

    http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/28/415...ro-resignation
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    I love how twitter has now become the place to do everything.

    Whenever I quit my job, I'm going to make sure my employers and the world knows about it.

    "That's all folks I'm outta here @<employers twitter> #yolo #fuckjobs #iquit #hashtag"


    I'm just kidding, my employer doesn't have a twitter account.

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    I'd like to point out this is the first time I've ever used a hashtag for anything. I hope you people respect the things I do for you all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
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