Empire: Road To Independence

More and more Empire news is turning up. Earlier in the week we heard that the multiplayer would feature a campaign mode for the first time, but there’s also a trailer for a secondary, introductory single player game mode called Road To Independence. It’s something like the the Alexander campaign, a limited scope campaign allowing players to play through the War Of Independence in the US, and fight off the dastardly British. Aiming for the US market, eh chaps? The trailer for said mode is after the jump.


  1. Heliocentric says:

    I’m sure they’ll let you play as the dastards. You might have to defeat them first though. Failing that you could play as america and lose on purpose.

  2. Senethro says:

    Heh, Sega’s logo is starting to look somewhat anachronistic.

  3. Gap Gen says:

    Anachronistic for the 1770s? Ouch.

    I’d just be happy for the option for the American colonists to pay their taxes and forget about this horrid war nonsense.

  4. yhancik says:

    Being tired & all, I read “Empire: Rossignol to Independence”, thinking that it was some puny title :p

  5. phil says:

    Huh? Surely Napoleon’s career would have infinitely more scope for a satisfying narrative – intro stages in France (you learn tactics in the same battles he did), intro to Navel warfare in the battle of the Nile, intro to the political side of the game with the coup of Brumaire, then bigger and bigger battles, till the chance to rewrite history by winning a land war in Russia. It would be more interesting than than the smaller scale stuff happening on the other wide of the Atlantic.

  6. Wisq says:

    I assume I needn’t point out the irony of a British narrator cheerily detailing how players will get to wage war against the British.

  7. Bobsy says:

    One of the great things about history is just how many wars the British were involved in. And rarely did they (we) have the moral high ground in. History rocks!

    Also, didn’t Medieval II have a multiplayer campaign mode?

  8. Ian says:

    We just had to show Johnny Foreigner what’s what, what.

  9. Kieron Gillen says:

    Phil: I think the game’s going to be a hard sell to the Americans anyway. Starting playing as them strikes me as a way they’re trying to mitigate against that.


  10. Gap Gen says:

    Maybe Creative should have allowed Americans to play as themselves in Rome, too.

  11. Dorian Cornelius Jasper says:

    Well, this answers the question regarding the American presence in the game. Probably better than having a scripted event suddenly spawn a new faction in British territory.

    @phil: More interesting, yes. But as Jim points out, they seem to be aiming for the US market on this choice. Since, for Americans, the first thing that comes to mind when we see the “1700’s” is the particular world sideshow that won us a brand new country to call our own. (It didn’t hurt to note that American Revolution stories tend to end on a triumphal note. Not so much with Napoleon.)

    Presumably, they’re saving rewriting Napoleonic history for the Expansion.

  12. Larington says:

    Seems to be billed as a tutorial to a certain extent.

  13. Dorian Cornelius Jasper says:

    Edit: @Gap Gen: They already did. Of course, they called us “Rome.”

  14. jalf says:

    What’s with all the “unlock new stuff” nonsense? Haven’t they understood yet that players want to be able to play any faction, without first spending 3 weeks slogging through the campaign? I’ll play the US campaign if I feel like it thankyouverymuch, but please don’t *force* me to play through it first. Hopefully it’ll be simple to edit the config files to unlock everything, like in MTW2.

  15. Dreamhacker says:

    A strange choice, considering the PC market seems to be bigger in Europe, and no Total War game has made it to consoles…

  16. Heliocentric says:

    Let them try. We’ll buy it anyway. Its the first first-team total war since rome.

  17. cHeal says:

    I wish they would give the player a chance to fight for indenpence for a number of fanctions. The Irish comes to mind because I’m Irish, but I’m sure there are hundreds of similar situations they could have picked from, like the Catalunya region in Spain, Sicily, Scotland, and whatever. Like in EUIII where every region has a native cultural identity which could rise up against you. Even in M:TW, when a rebellion occured you could side with the rebels (if it was from within the Monarchy).

  18. Piispa says:

    Triumphal on whose perspective? Brits lost a colony and saw the beginning of their decline as an Empire. And the world gained a future target audience for shoes-to-a-head.

    I’d say Napoleon’s ambition ended with quite a bit more triumphal note for the Euros as a possible world conqueror got defeated and balance got restored.

  19. Gap Gen says:

    cHeal: I want to play Eta: Total War, now.

  20. Bobsy says:

    To be honest, a scripted faction-switch in the notably non-linear TW campaign would feel a bit jarring, I reckon. Plus the America we know was born out of some very specific geopolitical conditions, so emulating it in a game where variations on reality are the norm would be pretty odd.

    IE: What if the dominant European power in Northern America had been Holland? Etc. (don’t) Discuss.

  21. phil says:

    While I acknowledge the commerial imperatives of appealing to the blasted colonials, I think dreamhacker is right, in the that Total War games have an established audience base in Europe that might be suprised at being asked to play what was essentially a sideshow to a wider conflict. The war for independence would be pitch perfect for an expandalone, with a experience tailored to the American market. That said, I am still going to buy this.

  22. Subject 706 says:

    Did the earlier Total Wars not do well in the US?

  23. Kieron Gillen says:

    Subject706: I believe they did fine.


  24. Stromko says:

    (speaking as someone in the U.S. audience) Honestly the last Total War I bought (or played at all) was the original Medieval: Total War. I’m more intrigued by this new one since I’ve always liked the aesthetic of blackpowder warfare — much rather wheel a battery of cannons or a square of musketeers around than catapults or archers. That the guns are hideously inaccurate just helps reduce micromanagement and makes melee rather important, so in a way it’s one of the most complex and varied battlefields.

    But I’m going to be made uncertain by the same things that stopped me from getting Rome or Medieval II, I just never had the time or patience to properly play through the original. I already get a much more intimate dose of strategizing with Dwarf Fortress, and a more visceral and brutal buildup of forces in Mount & Blade, it’s hard to convince myself to put down another 50$ on a semi-hardcore big picture strategy game.

    OTOH it’s kind of an under served genre, with roots going back to some games I really enjoyed such as Fantasy Empires. It’d be a shame if the genre continued to sink due to people just not giving it a proper try. I should at least remember to give the demo a serious try once it’s available.

  25. Katsumoto (jvgp100) says:

    “Triumphal on whose perspective? Brits lost a colony and saw the beginning of their decline as an Empire. And the world gained a future target audience for shoes-to-a-head.”

    I think it was more annoying for the Brits than a beginning of the end. The 19th century was when the British really became the global dominating power and truly became the Empire. It wasn’t till the start of the 20th century that it all went tits up and decline set in. Innit?

    Anyway, this all reminds me of “losing on purpose” when playing the original Colonisation. That was of course why I lost, not because I was utterly shit at it. Promise!

  26. Andrew says:

    The brief shot of the factions screen on the India map showed the Mahratta Confederacy and the Mughal Empire. This means Empire: Total War will be very good indeed.

  27. Tom says:

    haha, it “runs good on i7”, how the hell am I going to be able to play this one then?
    Are there any specs available?

  28. Tom says:

    Oh, and something else.
    This game shines or falls solely depending on how well the ai gets implemented.
    ME2 sucks because of bad ai, which is a real shame, because it is just so much fun to play. I mean, I keep having to remind myself, that Im not that good, its just that the enemy general happens to be a retard….

  29. Bhazor says:

    You can say what you like about Games for Windows. But it sure got a relaxing logo.

    If the AI isn’t broken like it was in Medieval 2 this could be dangerously addictive.

    Quick question: Am I the only person here, whom despite playing all the Total War games (even the weird Spartan one) relentlessly for monthes at a time has never actually finished a campaign?

  30. A-Scale says:

    Do you Brits really still have your panties in a twist about 1776? We saved your ass from the Krauts, show some respect for your benefactor.

  31. Nimic says:

    You didn’t even finish Shogun? I think that’s the one I’ve played the most, possibly now with the exception of Rome. I always used to pick those fellows on the top right hand of the corner. And those purple horse-fellows south of me always used to betray our alliance.

    Stupid purple horse-fellows..

  32. Kieron Gillen says:



  33. Philarchie says:

    Just as long as the campaign features the heroic rebels having their own asses saved by the French.

  34. Real Horrorshow says:

    If their tactic is to appeal to Americans, then it’s working. I’ve been a devout Total War fanatic since Shogun, but the prospect of having George Washington as one of my generals in a Total War game is really really freaking cool and is making this the most anticipated one yet for me.

    The inevitable American Civil War expansion or mod is going to be very fun as well. Can’t wait to kill me some rebel scum.

  35. Senethro says:

    The AI really does need to be improved. Having played a fair bit of Shogun, I kept nearly buying later TW games but would change my mind when I heard about the AI being poor, or the campaign being weird in some ways, i.e. corruption of large empires in Rome. With Shogun being explicitly a war game, I didn’t have a problem with AI players declaring Peace/War on alternate turns. But in recent TWs, constantly playing whack-a-mole against tiny impoverished minor factions hopelessly attacking me with their 2 peasant units would have driven me away from the game.

  36. A-Scale says:


    We grow our own you bastards. Give us back our land lease shit.

  37. Kieron Gillen says:



  38. A-Scale says:

    Lies! I have a box of Lipton (shame on me) and Twinnings Aromatics Earl Gray (bought in England) right here!

    And judging from the state of the london tubes, you really are still using it.

  39. A-Scale says:


  40. Bhazor says:

    Reply to Nimic: I was a bit too young when Shogun first came out and my PC wasn’t quite up to it. Then Medieval was a huge step up so I never really played more than a couple weeks of Shogun. Generally I set the wrong difficulty and either get bored or crushed.
    But will we have small pox and dissentry simulation?

  41. Gap Gen says:


    Hell, if they want their obsolete 60-year-old destroyers and Tommy guns back, they can have them.

  42. Bhazor says:

    Reply to A-Scale
    We bagsied those land leases fair and square!

    Reply to Senthro
    At release the AI is generally pretty gash but after the second patch, or a very keen modder, the AI will have you over it’s knee just giving your bottom a terrible time. So give it maybe six monthes or wait for a gold version with an expansion is my recommendation.

  43. phil says:

    @A-Scale – We’ll give you back your land-lease shit when you give us back our economy

  44. SanguineLobster says:

    Hmm, taking into consider my skill at Total War games, I’ll probably rewrite history into an awkward truce, giving the British the southern colonies because I didn’t train enough musketeers and they keep siegeing Boston.

    I guess I’ll just go back to picking on the Native Americans. *sigh*

  45. A-Scale says:

    @A-Scale – We’ll give you back your land-lease shit when you give us back our economy

    Not our fault you based your economy exclusively on imperialism. Have you ever considered making something? In my time in London I met four types of people- managers, students, desk workers and bums. None of those people make anything, except the bums, who make a mess.

    Hell, if they want their obsolete 60-year-old destroyers and Tommy guns back, they can have them.

    Your police use sticks. Consider it a step up.

  46. phil says:

    I’ll not hear a word said about our bums, mine has never made a mess I couldn’t clean up.


  47. Piispa says:

    Yes, British dominance over the globe peaked during the 19th century. I ment that since the beginning of the colonization era from the 15th century, the loss of the 13 colonies was the first major setback for the British.

    Which of the Krauts are you refering to? Of the WW1 when the war was pretty much over before any of your boys get into the trenches, or the WW2 when the Commie bastards kicked the Krauts for 4 years before any GI Joe stepped on the mainland European soil?

    Well, for the French, sure, they might be speaking Russian in Paris without US intervention, but then again without the French, George Washington might be nothing but some local village rebel barely mentioned in the history books.

    Shogun was pretty much the only Total War I got through with the main campaign. The European map was way too large to conquer, enter Micromanagement Inferno.

    Interesting to see how they manage with the whole globe…

  48. Fumarole says:

    Ahem, it is lend-lease. We supplied war material, not a place to build a summer home.

  49. A-Scale says:

    Which of the Krauts are you refering to? Of the WW1 when the war was pretty much over before any of your boys get into the trenches, or the WW2 when the Commie bastards kicked the Krauts for 4 years before any GI Joe stepped on the mainland European soil?

    The second time we came to your aid. You remember, the one where we won in Africa, then landed in Normandy, then pushed the Germans back from the shores facing the dinky island you call home?

  50. Real Horrorshow says:

    Sigh, this is starting to turn into one of those embarrassingly childish YouTube comment arguments about WW2.

    Hey, lets argue who’s got the best fighter plane, too!

    link to youtube.com