Dynastic, Fantastic: Crusader Kings 2

Quintin mentioned this in his round-up of the second day of events at GamesCom 2010, but it warrants a post all of its own. Paradox have announced Crusader Kings II, a sequel to the quietly successful historical grand strategy, Crusader Kings. The success of the original rested on its complexity, and the unusual model of play: it was based around dynasties within Medieval Christian Europe, rather than specific nations. Managing individual characters, the lords of your realm and your own family, were at the heart of the game. This creates quite an open-ended sandbox for management and strategic experimentation, which is something Crusader Kings II should build on fairly significantly, with new depth to the characters, and much more engagement with religion and the church, which is obviously a motive force within the game’s world. Anyway, don’t get too excited because it’s not out until early 2012. We should have more information on this quite soon.


  1. pipman300 says:

    haha awesome

  2. Berzee says:

    That man looks far too boyish and not nearly surly enough to be videogame art. What is that? (We can replace him with the man from Gears of War, yes).

    • pipman300 says:

      hey don’t talk to johan like that he single handedly made every single game at paradox (thats why they’re so buggy lol j/k)

    • Archonsod says:

      He’s probably stressed because his father had him raised by nannies rather than taking a personal interest in his childhood, and after spending his education in a despised monastery swore to become a crusader, but ended up having to land his army at Durham where he intends to violently depose his uncle who he believes is plotting against him, but unbeknownst to him his uncle is actually his real father after his mother got a bit tipsy twenty years back …

    • Alexander Norris says:

      He’s also why Africa is a wasteland and colonisation requires sending one dude with a machine gun in Vicky 2.

      Not actually joking.

    • pipman300 says:

      and the dudes you’re colonizing turn into white people

    • pipman300 says:


      above post not a joke they really turn into white people after awhile.

      also jewish people completely disappear from germany by the time you get to 1920 unless you download a mod. (also not a joke)

  3. Fede says:

    I’m looking forward to it. I’ve bought CK some months ago, and I’ve been enjoying it a lot. Also, being it the last game made with the old Europa engine, it is already less event-driven and more of a sandbox, runs on everything, and has a better interface than the previous Europa games.
    CK2 will add new features taken from EU:Rome (Rome is kind of a hybrid between EU and CK) like personal goals, and, from what I understood from the Paradox forums, the project is being lead by Doomdark (who has done lots of work for EU:Rome and its patches) rather than Johan.

  4. Peter Radiator Full Pig says:

    Sounds brilliant, but i hate religion and the church. Can i sack them or install a puppet pope?

  5. G33kz0rd says:

    Desdichado means something like Bad Luck… thats funny.

    • Gritz says:

      It means “Disinherited One”. Pretty sure that’s supposed to be Wilfred of Ivanhoe.

  6. Starky says:

    Looks like prince Arthur from BBC’s Merlin – Just need to see the big eared buffoon behind him.

  7. Vinraith says:

    The original CK may be Paradox’s best game (which is saying something), so this is really great news.

    • rhizo says:

      While I wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s the best of PI’s games (subjective of course), I do think it is the most creative of the games that use the old Europa Universalis engine. Hearing that the player is apparently only going to be able to control christian monarchies is not very encouraging. Although the Muslim world will be modded playable eventually, it’s still a feature that I would have expected to be in at release.

    • Vinraith says:


      Only the Christian monarchies were playable in the original as well, about half the gameplay mechanics are specific to crusading, Papal machinations and such, it would be a very stripped down game to play as the Muslim nations by comparison. A Muslim centered game (or mod) through the same time period, however, would be a very interesting project.

    • Nimic says:

      And would no doubt happen. Paradox-games are famous for their modability. Some more than others, but in general they’re all pretty easy to shape and form as you like.

      But yes, I imagine playing as a republic/muslim would take a lot of the actual gameplay away from the game.

    • pipman300 says:

      i expected i’d be stuck playing christians against given how insanely eurocentric paradox is. (i’m still waiting for the Rest of The World expansion Johan)

    • Tetragrammaton says:

      @Pipman – And whats wrong with that? Paradox is a European company. If you really have a problem playing as a particular religious group, don’t play it – the nature of the christian world at he time is a perfect setting for all the dynastic feuding, war and intrigue which underlines the game concept. These kinds of games are enormous, a bit of focus makes a huge difference. (compare CK to the EU titles)

    • Vanilla Ice Jr. says:

      and what’s wrong with giving the rest of the world a little attention?

    • Vanilla Ice Jr. says:

      and when did i say i had a problem with playing christians? i was just saying it would be pretty cool if countries besides european ones and america were fleshed out but it probably won’t happen due to their eurocentrism. funny how people seem to take offence when someone says the rest of the world matters too.

      ps: pipman was my slave name

    • Vinraith says:

      i’m still waiting for the Rest of The World expansion Johan

      You can have a detailed game about running a Christian monarchy in the period or a vastly less detailed game (with less culturally/religiously/historically specific mechanics) where you can play anyone. Being as the EU series has the “less specificity, play anyone” thing covered I think CK does an excellent job with the opposite end of the spectrum.

    • Vanilla Ice Jr. says:

      (and the above post is about paradox games in general not this one)

    • Vanilla Ice Jr. says:


      yeah you can play everyone in eu3 but nearly every non euro faction isn’t fleshed out and are mostly generic.

      ps: rest of the world expansion was about eu3.

      from honourable wikipedia

      “On May 27, 2010, a poll was created on the Paradox forums by a developer in which users could vote for a new expansion. Options included expansions to Europa Universalis III, Europa Universalis: Rome, Hearts of Iron 3 and Victoria. With 46% of the votes, the poll was won in favour of a Europa Universalis III expansion which is to focus on the rest of the world. A new expansion to Europa Universalis has yet to be announced.”

    • Vanilla Ice Jr. says:

      (so yeah there isn’t ever going to be an eu:rest of the world expansion because johan has a massive hard-on for european supremacy )

    • Tetragrammaton says:

      @pipman/jr Im sorry if I gave the impression of taking offense, that was most certainly not the case. You seemed rather upset that paradox seemed to have a fixation on a particular place and period (people?) in history. I was merely stating that CK is a game focused on one particular point and place in history to execute a specific game design. Much like in the commandos series you play a team of American commandos as the gameplay elements suit the context. I not sure you can really criticise a game for this, and throwing about statements like ‘Johan has a massive hard-on for European supremacy ‘, Is not really called for.

  8. Pishtaco says:

    I’m very happy to see this coming. CK is an answer to the question people are always asking about when we will have procedurally generated storytelling in games.

  9. Nimic says:

    I am ridiculously excited to see this. While EU3 is my favourite Paradox game, and I love EU2, the original Crusader Kings has a special place in my heart. It’s just got something different about it.

  10. Pijama says:

    Good stuff, as always… As long as there are mighty gregorian chants when I am converting pagans, of course.

    For those comments regarding Vicky II… There is always the VIP mod =D hahaha

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