Oh Yes, And That Razer Announcement

Uh, hmm. So I completely forgot to post this on RPS yesterday despite spending time reading and commenting about it on other sites. Well, we don’t really cover hardware at the moment. I mean we probably should, but we don’t do it routinely. That’s my excuse. Anyway, Razer’s big announcement was a gaming laptop, the cleverly named “Razer Blade“, which they somehow believe is the world’s first gaming laptop (as evidenced in their reveal video, below). The specs are ok, I suppose – 2.8GHz i7, 8GB RAM, GeForce GT555M – but the real appeal of it is the weight and size: 125mm 22.5mm thick, and 3.2kg. Which means it is pretty portable. It also has an outrageously snazzy touchpad/screen thing and LCD hotkeys. Lovely. Sadly it costs $2,800. Eep.

So that’s the video. As any number of people have been at pains to point out, $2,800 would currently buy you the holy mothership of desktop PCs. It also doesn’t compare particularly favourably with Alienware’s range of gaming laptops. I mean it’s slimmer and far prettier than Alienware’s gaudy abominations, which would frankly be a bit embarrassing to be seen with, but it’s still not that killer in terms of specs. The videocard is the chokepoint. And if we’re going all out, where’s the SSD?

Joel over on Kotaku has, as is his prerogative, an interesting and provocative take on the thing, saying that if it were to take off it might lead to some level of standardisation in PC gaming specs that would help the laptop war against Apple – but obviously only if Razer can deal with the price. This lead to an explosion of “well I build my own PC and I want choice etc” comments on there, and I assume that will be echoed here too. But his point isn’t about stopping the PC from having diverse hardware possibilities, it’s rather saying that if there were a more central standard then developers would have something to aim for. Right now they are aiming for the fucking 360, which means that PCs are essentially being treated as having the same specs as that crappy old piece of hardware, and – in the worst cases – rather than being tuned for heftier processors and likely a lot more RAM, the PC’s extra power is simply being offloaded onto soaking up the performance fail of sloppy porting – oh, hello there GTA4, I didn’t see you there…

But yeah, if you want hard contemporary evidence of the PC needing to be treated as a higher spec machine then go look at DXHR, one of the most PC games of the year. It might have game design from the good old days, but visually it’s still pandering to specs from 2005. If PC versions of games were tuned to lots of RAM (and lots of video RAM, I mean I have 8gb of RAM here and 2gb of video RAM, and I am playing 360 ports designed for 512mb total) then we wouldn’t get some of horrible short-cut decisions reversed or sidestepped. I mean probably not the majority of those decisions, but PC versions of games would definitely benefit from a higher recognised benchmark than “comparable to consoles”, and so Joel’s editorial makes for interesting speculation. A user base of a few million gaming laptops of a particular specification would make a huge difference to how the PC is treated by mainstream development, particularly when the PC install base is now scattered from laptops made at the turn of the millenium through to a few throbbing i7s that you encounter in the wild.

Sadly, however, I think the bigger issue is actually getting people to realise how cheap a normal desktop PC setup is now. Maybe we do want gaming to be portable, but if it has to be stationary then it doesn’t have to cost much at all. A gaming setup is so ludicrously cheap, with so much power, but people’s recollection is still somehow stuck at the end of the ’90s, and the response is “well, I’d get into PC gaming, but I don’t want to have to spend $2000!” It seems like the Razer Blade will do little to dispel that sort of attitude. Wake up me up when they announce a serious gaming laptop for $1000.


  1. Captchist says:

    Nice spot for a mouse if you’re going to be gaming. It’s a nightmare trying to play anything with a centrally located touchpad. And as you say, that’s a pretty cool looking mouse.

    The keyboard must be nightmarishly small though.

    Edit: The name however… well just try and google it and you see the problem.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Yes, it’s in SEO hell.

    • Dozer says:

      What is the problem? Search for +razer blade instead – the plus indicates to Google “I mean razer, not razor, don’t autocorrect me”

    • d3vilsadvocate says:

      still too big, too heavy, and too expensive

      and that GeForce GT555M is really nothing to call home about!

    • Ravenger says:

      “Nice spot for a mouse if you’re going to be gaming.”

      Except of course if you’re left-handed like me. Razer Blade – designed for right-handed gamers.

    • mickygor says:

      Ravenger, I suspect they’ll have a left handed version, but since you’re 3% of the population, and this is a publicity stunt, there’s no way they’re gonna showcase it.

    • Ravenger says:

      3%? More like 10%! Still I doubt I’d ever have the spare cash to buy one so the point is moot anyway.

    • Klydefrog says:

      Oddly enough I’m left handed but still use my mouse with my right hand, my brother is right handed and uses his left hand. Isn’t that interesting? Then again I do a lot of things with my right hand which is probably why I have such terrible hand eye coordination, and also the reason I’m slowly going blind.

    • pepper says:

      Also a leftie here! Although I’ve learned to control most things with my right hand(mouse, joystick etc). Mostly because I still havent found a left handed gaming mouse. Then again, I do use my trackball/penpad with my left hand.

      Question, if you buy a gaming laptop and can ‘t play with anything but the trackpad, does it really matter where it is located? I usually carry a mouse around so i’m not too familiar with the problem.

    • Koozer says:

      I’m left-handed and I use my right for the mouse. I did try the other way around for a bit, but it just makes things needlessly complicated for rebinding everything, let alone only being able to buy ambidextrous mice.

    • JohnH says:

      Most left-handed people use the mouse with their right hand. Deviants like Ravenger and myself are far between. And after about 30 years I’m slowly switching to my right hand as well, mainly because my left arm is giving me grief. But I have to admit I’m looking forward to buying a “real” gaming mouse for the first time instead of the ambidextrous half-arsed ones.

      And am I correct that I’ve seen that control setup before? Did Razer show concept art or something of this laptop awhile ago?

    • LionsPhil says:

      It’s a nightmare trying to play anything with a centrally located touchpad.

      If an external mouse is out of the question (e.g. because travelling, although Microsoft make a cute little portable optical one that is suprisingly good), then—perversely enough—2.5D FPSes can be your friend. DOOM and its kin play just fine on pure keyboard because it was designed before mouselook was the default.

      Also Sierra AGI-engined adventure games; the ones where you toggle-moved with the arrows (usually up narrow, winding cliff paths) and typed commands (usually while walking away from something trying to kill you).

    • Skiddings says:

      It’s another example of racism against left handed people. I’m a lefty, and I use my mouse on the left hand side. I doubt razer would even consider doing a swapped version because in thier eyes we don’t even count as people. Also any lefties who use thier right hand are just giving in to the oppressive abuse from the right handed racists. >.<

    • Unaco says:

      Yeah Skiddings… Razer don’t think at all about making Left-handed products. Oh shit, wait. They do…

      link to store.razerzone.com

      Maybe do some fact checking next time… Or would that get in the way of having a rant at a Corporation?

    • Koozer says:

      Hey Unaco, relax. You may notice his post is using exaggeration as a form of comedy. Point out a factual inaccuracy by all means, but do you have to be so snide about it?

    • Unaco says:

      My apologies for being snide Koozer, but he was wrongfully accusing a company of ‘racism’ against left-handed people, when it wasn’t the case.

    • Createx says:

      Actually, Razer is the only company that produces Gaming Mouses for lefties. Accusing them of hand-fanatism is like accusing RPS of being console kiddies :D

    • ynamite says:

      That Min-Liang Tan chap cracks me up (chief gamer & CEO, woooooo). And there I was expecting something revolutionary. I mean, it sure seems nice enough but definitely too expensive/not sexy enough to justify the price (if they want to be the macbook of PCs anyway).

      Also, I would definitely have to see that touch screen interface in action in real life before judging the whole thing as this seems a rather big selling point as well, it could either be made really well or extremely bad. Good idea to display inventorys and whatnot on it though, if it works with any game.

      After all is said and done though, any PC gamer with half a brain would not dish out the moola for this thing never mind recommending it to anybody who isn’t PC savvy, not when you can buy yourself a considerably more powerful laptop or desktop for less than half its price.

      I don’t understand the whole portability thing anyway, I wouldn’t travel around with a device worth two and a half grand very often, besides the fact that I personally NEVER had the urge to take my main gaming device with me anywhere, even if it were a laptop. I play at home, nowhere else, so portability is about as important to me as the type of design that is imprinted on my toilet paper.

    • Hoaxfish says:

      Everyone knows lefties are evil, and thus are probably using linux

    • Ruffian says:

      you do realize razer as in the company is R-a-z-e-r right? cause i had no problem googling it at all.

    • Dozer says:

      Godwin’s Law strikes again…

    • caicaiaa says:

      Fashion brand products, low prices and reliable quality. Welcome to:

      link to tinyurl.com

    • Sheng-ji says:

      Reply Fail :(

      Game over

    • Dante says:

      EDIT – Posted in wrong place.

  2. Shakermaker says:

    I’m sorry but that Kotaku article is the most shameless infomercial I have ever read on a gaming site.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Despite arguing that’s far, far too expensive and probably second choice to a fucking Macbook? Do infommercials usually do that?

    • Shakermaker says:


      The price is about the only thing Kotaku is critical of. And even their reasoning in that aspect is flawed. Gaming will return to the mainstream when laptops like the Blade reach a US$1500,- price point? Come on … I think Alienware made the right decision a couple of months ago to introduce sub US$1000 gaming laptops. That is a price level that the masses can afford.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Sure, I agree it should be under $1000. I even say as much above. That doesn’t mean I think Kotaku are running advertorial.

    • Shakermaker says:

      That’s okay. We can always agree to disagree. :-)

    • Orija says:

      With Kotaku you can never be too sure.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      “We can always agree to disagree”

      Or you could admit that you are wrong.

      Seriously, allegations of corruption and being bought are something that I am really unhappy about. Most of the tech and games journalists I know have been accused of this crap by people who know nothing about how they work, and it’s never true. I definitely don’t believe to be true of Joel Johnson, who is one of the fiercer tech journalists working today. Disagree with his analysis of the PC market, fine, but don’t go saying he’s been bought. It’s bullshit.

    • Corrupt_Tiki says:


      To be fair, he never said they’d been bought or accused them of corruption, just that they weren’t quite as critical of the laptop, as everyone else.

      That’s the feeling I got anyways. E; mhmm, I suppose you’re right. And after reading the article I am struggling to see how it’s an infomercial/advertorial, to each their own I suppose.

      I will go back to my corner now.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      “that Kotaku article is the most shameless infomercial I have ever read on a gaming site.”

    • Yosharian says:

      Haha! Go Jim! What a beatdown!

    • Shakermaker says:

      Jim, I admire your belief in journamalistic standards, but to me that article reads like it was written with Razer’s PR person sitting next to Joel. You apparently have another view, hence my ‘lets agree to disagree remark’, but I personally gave up on Kotaku’s ‘standards’ a long time ago.

    • Kadayi says:

      “Or you could admit that you are wrong.”

      Jim he’s expressing his opinion. Frankly a lot of internet Journalism leaves a lot to be desired at times, and Kotaku is hardly a shining beacon of quality in that regard lets be honest here.

    • Crimsoneer says:

      Arguing with Jim about gaming journalism is like arguing with Jesus about the theology. Rather silly.

    • PodX140 says:

      Hell, there are a thousand things I could say about how flawed that article is, but sadly RPS comments don’t fit it (I tried :/), so, short version.

      I hope to god that he WAS paid, because I won’t believe that games journalists, the guys who are renowned for at least knowing what the hell they report about, are such clueless and lazy people. Aye, lazy. The author took no time to research other laptops with similar specs, which is a shame because the article would have been titled “Razer want’s your money for a hyped up piece of crap.” Not to mention rude, from the comments the author has already trolled a critic, made a horribly rude joke about a person’s mother to anther completely reasonable and calm statement, and insinuated that PC gaming is dead on numerous counts.

      Hell, I blame RPS for my naive belief that all games journalists take time to properly write an article. Kudos to you guys.

    • Persus-9 says:

      I’m so sick of people playing the “everyone is entitled to their opinions” card. People are entitled to their opinions only as far as they can stand up to argument. If you hold on to an opinion past that point people are entitled to think you’re an idiot. If someone else can produce a good argument against your opinion then holding onto in the face of reason and evidence is just claiming your right to either idiocy or intellectual dishonesty, which is really just a more complex and immorally sort of idiocy. It’s quite frankly sad that so many people would rather keep hold of their obviously inaccurate opinions than embrace reasoned argument and trade in some of their old beliefs for more accurate ones.


    • Corrupt_Tiki says:

      @ Persus,

      So religion as well then? ;P

    • Kadayi says:


      Next up you’ll be telling me that Brian X Chen of Wired isn’t some dyed in the wool apple fanboy: –

      link to wired.com

      link to wired.com

      Internet Journalism, not all it’s cracked up to be.

      “Arguing with Jim about gaming journalism is like arguing with Jesus about the theology. Rather silly.”

      Jims a big boy, I’m fairly sure he can fight his own battles without people claiming that he’s the word of god made manifest.

    • DazedByTheHaze says:

      Agree with shakermaker and Podx140. It’s a PR piece partly rewritten. I really hope everyone gets paid for pushing this campaign. I mean, all those pieces look the same, except RPS, thanks for that. Not really a review, not a test/comparsion, just shit stirred by PR, hyping the idea of an standardised gaming laptop. Oh ladida…

    • Ergates_Antius says:

      Fanboy != corrupt.

      Everyone has their favourates and biases, but that doesn’t mean they’re paid corporate shills.

    • Klydefrog says:

      People are entitled to their own opinions on subjects of debate, this is a question of fact. The fact is that Jim knows the guy and can be pretty certain that he would never take money to write a biased article, as Jim is most likely the only one here on speaking terms with the writer then he is the most qualified to make that judgment. The rest of you are making accusations based on nothing which is in my book a lot worse than not respecting someone’s opinion.

    • Persus-9 says:

      @ Corrupt_Tiki: Yes. Although I think personal religious experiences can probably be taken as evidence so some religious people may be justified in their theism while at the same time I’m justified in my atheism. The evidence we each have access to differs and so that may be grounds to agree to disagree.

      @ Kadayi: No thanks, I deliberately didn’t make any comment about the integrity of internet journalism and reading articles I’m not really interested in in order to form opinions about unimportant people that I don’t know sounds a poor way to spend the rest of my Saturday afternoon. I think I’ll go for a walk or play some games instead.

    • CMaster says:

      Most “journalism” of all stripes, especially on the internet is just rewritten press releases. The only people paying for this though are the publication/websites. They do it because it fills space, provides articles, not because they are getting backhanders from the company involved. Pick up any newspaper today and the majority of articles are like that – why expect a free, specialist, website to be any better?

      Yeah it sucks, but that’s the state of things today – non-headline news is written by Press Officers, not journalists.

    • AMonkey says:

      I don’t know about informercials but there are plenty of other reasons not to read Kotaku.

    • Berzee says:

      The article, it reads like a transcript of the video. To me this says, “I do not really have an opinion about this but it’s my job to write about it anyway I guess? So I will tell you what they said, there, that’s done.” Having no personal knowledge of the man who wrote it, perhaps he would normally have the most insightful of opinions and was having a sleepy day, or perhaps the opinion is insightful and I just can’t appreciate it because it’s been a long time since I thought about buying a new computer, or perhaps I was too bedazzled by the entrancing-yet-somehow-disreputable-sounding voice of the Serious CEO. =P

      In other news, “Or you could admit that you were wrong” should be the DEFAULT reply to “We will have to agree to disagree”. :D

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Kad, you spend half your time on RPS battling the wrongness of other people’s opinions – what makes you think I should behave any differently?

      Saying something like “that Kotaku article is the most shameless infomercial I have ever read on a gaming site” insists that my peers are corrupt, when I know that they are not. Clearly I am going to defend them.

    • Land Squid says:

      I think if you’re going to accuse someone of corrpution you need proof.

      Also, its infuriating to have someone turn round and say “our opinions are just different” half way through an argument with out responding to the other side’s point. Don’t start an argument if you’re not going to finnish it.

    • Jenks says:

      How could you possibly believe this was paid for?

      link to oi54.tinypic.com

    • matrices says:

      As a former news reporter and on-and-off political writer and blogger, I was intrigued by this little dust-up so I decided to have a look for myself. That Kotaku piece is not an “infomercial” by any stretch of the imagination. Really, that is just such a daft and thick-headed assertion that I honestly don’t know what to say other than to bluntly accuse you of being daft and thick-headed.

      It’s framed as a thought piece and thematically approaches the laptop from the writer’s own perspective of what he thinks is needed to make the PC a viable gaming platform again (not counting MMO and casual games crack as real games here).

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      “How could you possibly believe this was paid for?”

      That’s a different article, but anyway see upthread. There’s a difference between slavering fanboyism and being paid off. If games journalism were so rife with the corruption its readership seems to insist upon then someone might have had even the slightest proof of it actually happening. As it is, no one has any proof, and games journalists have crummy bank balances.

      Really, the insistence that this stuff must be paid for is laughable when you realise that games and hardware companies *don’t have to pay for this kind of press*.

    • TillEulenspiegel says:

      There’s a difference between slavering fanboyism and being paid off.

      “Paid off” in tech journalism = free stuff and junkets. Remember this?

      They may not be receiving truckloads of cash, but it’s still blatant corruption. I make no accusations in this particular case except to note that Gawker is not known for its quality journalism.

    • Kadayi says:


      I don’t think anyone has accused anyone of bribery, but you have to admit it’s kind of ‘gushing’ no? : –

      “After seeing this morning’s reveal of their new creation, the Razer “Blade” gaming laptop, I think I’m ready to go one better: I think Razer may not just save PC gaming—I think they may save Windows laptops entirely.”

      That’s a pretty bold thing to say about something that almost everyone is looking at and going ‘how much?’ I mean personally I get it in terms of cost. It’s not the hardware you are paying for as much as the build quality etc, but plain truth of the matter is if they want to compete with Apple in the high end laptop stakes then they need to lose the ‘gamer’ go faster stripes look. This has rich boys bauble written all over it.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      TillEulenspiegel: Yes, that stuff is horrible, but not what’s being suggested here, which is that Kotaku are being paid to run unflagged advertorial. And there’s DEFINITELY a difference between saying that Kotaku us tabloidy, crass, or otherwise bad, and saying that it is running an “infommercial” in its editorial.

      Kad: Yes, it’s absolutely gushing, hence my fanboyism comment. It’s just bad writing. All of the above said, they actually have seen and played with the thing, so maybe it’s really nice.

      And you are definitely missing the point here. The OP says that the Kotaku article is a “shameless infomercial”. I don’t see how else to read that.

    • Kadayi says:


      I’ve seen far worse statements made by people here about a number of sites and organisations. I’m perplexed as to why this one seems so important to leap to the defense of tbh.

    • Vile Vile Vilde says:

      This is the most entertaining thing I’ve ever read on RPS. Go on Jim. Slapabitch.

    • Jenks says:


      Not everyone disagreeing with you here is vehemently accusing Kotaku of taking money. I’m simply saying that the notion that those articles could have been paid for isn’t outlandish.

      Secondly, you say “There’s a difference between slavering fanboyism and being paid off.”
      Can you explain the difference between these two things as it relates to me, the consumer of the editorials and reviews? As far as I can tell, the end result to me is the same.

    • Hoaxfish says:

      Whether or not the Kotaku article was good (It might have been paid for, but it is a terribly constructed article, by someone who seems to have completely missed the point of PC gaming) the author’s attitude really put it across that it was not open for discussion (especially the point where rather than refute a detailed breakdown of counter-points to the article he insulted the guy’s mother).

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Kad: “I’m perplexed as to why this one seems so important to leap to the defense of tbh.”

      Perhaps my response is coloured by the people crying corruption on the original thread. It is definitely coloured by the frequency with which people say something they don’t agree with is a bought review, or a bribe, or advertorial, or whatever else, when it is nothing of the sort. It’s ignorant and ludicrously insulting. When that kind of baseless accusation appears on RPS I stomp on it. Also I am definitely in a bad mood.

      Jenks: “Can you explain the difference between these two things as it relates to me, the consumer of the editorials and reviews? As far as I can tell, the end result to me is the same.”

      They’re both bad for the consumer. But I am defending fellow critics here. I am arguing that attacking a critic’s credibility for saying that he’s over enthusiastic about something is very different to saying he’s been bought. One is saying he likes what he’s writing about more than is perhaps reasonable for the average human being, the other is saying he likes money more than the average human being. One of those two things is worse.

      Hoaxfish: “rather than refute a detailed breakdown of counter-points to the article he insulted the guy’s mother”

      Haha. Good man.

    • Ergates_Antius says:

      “Can you explain the difference between these two things as it relates to me, the consumer of the editorials and reviews? As far as I can tell, the end result to me is the same.”

      Fanboyism is consistant and predictable. When someone is a slavering Apple fanboy (as seems disturbingly common) s/he will always be a slavering Apple fanboy (and probably ugly, smelly and sexually inadequate too), and it should be fairly easy to tell this and adjust your expectations accordingly.

      If someone has been paid off, then their sudden praise for a subject wouldn’t just look like their usual gushing self and would be more likely to fool someone into thinking the thing being commented on was actually deserving.

    • Jenks says:


      So, is everyone at Kotaku a slavering Razer fanboy? I’m not sure the point that is being made here.
      Again, the screencap I posted: link to oi54.tinypic.com

      Kotaku article title; Kotaku author:

      Death of PC Gaming Scheduled to be Disproven on August 26; Michael Fahey

      Up Close and Personal With Razer’s Sexy Blade; Brian Crecente

      The Razer Blade is Gaming’s Deadliest New Laptop; Stephen Totilo

      I Can’t Believe It: The Razer Blade Might Not Just Be the Future of PC Gaming—It May Be the Future of PCs; Joel Johnson

      This is normal, predictable fanboyism?

    • Hoaxfish says:

      I’d say it’s probably a mix of sensationalist article/headlines, the lack of any real “anchor” for fanboyish in the PC gaming (there’s no real “opposite” PC company to compared Razor to like you would with Xbox vs PS3).

      Of course, with Ars Technica doing “PC Gaming” since about a month ago now, and handling it in a better manner, Kotaku is probably feeling a little emasculated in this area. They should really just acknowledge that they’re terrible at it.

    • Kadayi says:

      “Also I am definitely in a bad mood.”

      You do seem a little testy today it has to be said (nothing serious one hopes). Content yourself with the fact that you have a shiny copy of DXHR on your machine, whilst I’m still waiting for mine to turn up… :(

    • Pointless Puppies says:


      I don’t think you really understand why people are suspecting that Johnson’s article was a paid-for advertisement. It’s not because the article is overwhelmingly positive, or because the related articles of several other Kotaku editors behave in pretty much the exact same way. It’s the fact that he builds his “arguments”, which are suspiciously close to what Razer said in their press release, only by perpetuating urban myths about PC gaming “dying” and that it’s a platform that needs to be saved. The article itself is written by someone who clearly has no real experience in modern PC gaming, and yet considers himself knowledgeable by some arbitrary measure to write a multi-paragraph editorial spewing baseless statistics and preconceived notions about PC gaming and that a $2,800 laptop is somehow going to save it all. People that lack this much knowledge on any field don’t usually get this excited about an upcoming product. I know nothing about residential solar panels, and I have a hard time getting this excited about an upcoming product claiming that it’ll change that entire industry as we know it.

      Then there’s the comments, in which Johnson has shown time and time again that he doesn’t in any way tolerate anyone who might even THINK that it was a paid advert. You clearly disagree with the idea, but you’re certainly acting in a much more reasonable fashion than Joel. You’re not banning people left and right and flat out insulting people with witless one-liners at the drop of a hat. He’s suspiciously over-defensive about this article in particular, and this overreacting at a complaint that honestly happens all the time (just how many times does Engadget or other sites have readers accuse them of being paid shills? Hint: ALL THE TIME) makes everyone’s suspicions only stronger.

      This only yields two possibilities: either he was paid (perhaps not LITERALLY paid, perhaps simply given quite generous swag, etc.) for the gushing article or he has skin so microscopically thin that he really shouldn’t be a game journalist because he simply does not know how to handle criticism. Neither possibility paints a pretty picture of him. You might know him personally, but we don’t, and we go by what we see, and what we see ain’t pretty. We don’t know you either, but we (at least I) have a lot more respect for you.

    • Vile Vile Vilde says:

      @Pointless Puppies
      True dat on the respect thing. The only person I’m not a fan of here is Quinns, whereas most gaming news sites have multiple annoying writers, so RPS is doing better than most.

    • faelnor says:

      What would Faliszek or Wolpaw have written about this, had it happened during the OMM days?
      Well probably a lot of stuff including but not limited to mocking that shamefully unprofessional editorialist, as well as saying “this is the worst infomercial ever”

    • Kieron Gillen says:

      Pointless Puppies: “Then there’s the comments, in which Johnson has shown time and time again that he doesn’t in any way tolerate anyone who might even THINK that it was a paid advert.”

      You’d be surprised how little patience you have with people calling you corrupt. You call me corrupt, I’d probably just delete your posts because I can’t actually say the words I’m thinking about you in a public forum.


    • Dozer says:

      I’d be interested to know what words would be considered inappropriate – I’m not aware that RPS had a policy of, er, linguistic restraint in that regard…

      Anyone who has suspicions of corruption in PC games journalism, at least at RPS, I refer you to this image. Hey, it’s from exactly a year ago today!

      link to i830.photobucket.com

    • Pointless Puppies says:

      @Kieron Gillen:

      I’m not sure why you guys keep using the word “corrupt”. Being given generous swag for an article does not a corrupt journalist make. Mind you, it’s still not very respectable for a journalist, but I wouldn’t go so far as to calling them corrupt simply because of that.

      Go on any site from GameTrailers to Engadget and you see people accusing journalists of being paid off for reviews they don’t agree with. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard that accusation and it certainly won’t be the last. That’s just a criticism journalists have to take (and 99% of the time they do take, simply ignoring those cries), and to this day I haven’t seen a reaction like Joel’s from any other site. It makes you think is all I’m saying.

      EDIT: I’d just like to add the fact that this is a PC gaming website, and as such you, the editors, should know just how ill-informed and poorly written that article was. Rather than being offended at people calling into question the integrity of the article, why not just look at why those posts were made in the first place? Because despite the fact that this kind of criticism is made everywhere, it’s very rarely concentrated to this one article, with the comments made by several well-respected, longstanding commenters.

      I’m not saying or suggesting that Joel was “paid” for this article. I’m saying the article was poorly written (and we both know that), and as a result, people began to wonder about this most unusual article they saw. Something set off the readers, because I find it rather unlikely that a whole bunch of commenters of all kinds and sizes got together to all troll the same person. Rather than blame the readers, why not just take a look at the article itself? Surely you know why people find it questionable, no?

    • Dozer says:

      “That’s just a criticism journalists have to take”

      Er, no, not at all. Why should they? A journalist’s integrity is their main asset; it’s the reputation that lets the reader trust the author to provide articles that are worth reading. Casually accusing a journalist of accepting rewards for good reviews is tantamount to slander.

      Of course if someone casually comments “I bet activision paid you well for that article” and the site editors delete that comment, it gives the impression the site actually has something to hide. The other commentors should tell the slanderer to provide evidence or shut up.

    • Hoaxfish says:

      Unless I’ve missed some, the initial comments on Kotaku targeted the claims in the article, and went from there to basically say he had no f-ing clue what he was talking about (in milder terms).

      Which is slightly different from claiming he’s indulging in corrupt practises, etc.

      Frankly his initial responses seem well out of proportion to the things he was responding to.

      It feels a bit like if you went into a shop and the shop-assistance physically assaulted you when you asked for a price-check on some lemons.

    • jalf says:

      its infuriating to have someone turn round and say “our opinions are just different” half way through an argument with out responding to the other side’s point. Don’t start an argument if you’re not going to finnish it.

      What he said.

      Never ever “agree to disagree”. Agree that we currently disagree, sure, but as long as we disagree, it means that at least one of us is wrong, and I want to settle who it is. Heck, it might be me, and if so, I want to find out. And if it’s you, I want you to stop going around spewing nonsense and polluting people’s minds.

      If someone wants to “agree to disagree”, the only reason I can imagine is because they know theyre wrong, and are afraid to admit it. In which case, grow up.

      If you have an opinion, defend it. If you can’t defend it, drop it.

      Don’t just say “everyone is entitled to their opinion”, or “let’s agree to disagree”. You’re entitled to your opinion, sure, but I’m entitled to criticize it if it’s stupid.

      Oh, and if you’re going to call anyone corrupt, you’d better bring some evidence to the table.
      Being a fanboy who can’t write isn’t normally considered corruption.

    • Deano2099 says:

      @Pointless Puppies

      If you’re a journalist operating in a critical space, your impartiality and reputation are your job basically. You can’t function without the trust of your readers. As such you should no more tolerate people claiming you’ve been paid off any more than a guy working at McDonalds should tolerate a customer leaning over the counter and taking a £20 note out of the till.

      A lot of the statements being made here, especially those being presented as fact, not opinion, are defamatory. They’re the sort of thing that, were they to be published somewhere more visible, likely world result in some sort of legal action.

    • Jimbo says:

      There doesn’t have to be brown envelopes changing hands for the press to be corrupt. These sites are mostly paid for by the industry, not by the readership, and this -coupled with the fact that news sites rely heavily on the industry’s goodwill for access to content- means that the industry holds a massive amount of influence over the press.

      There may be no direct bribery taking place, but let’s face it, everybody involved knows which side their bread is buttered. Whether they let that sway them or not comes down to the individual and the organisation they work for. Some will be principled enough to ignore that influence, and many will not.

      There are clear financial/business benefits to skewing your coverage positively. That this pressure for positive coverage exists is indisputable, and everybody subject to it is only human. So to suggest that it’s ‘never true’ that people allow themselves to become corrupted by that pressure, or that the only explanation for press bias is fanboyism, is plainly ridiculous. It’s great that you believe your peers are all paragons of virtue who would never be swayed by such concerns, but it’s also incredibly naive.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Jimbo: “It’s great that you believe your peers are all paragons of virtue who who never be swayed by such concerns, but it’s also incredibly naive.”

      And, again, that’s not what’s being said, is it?

      It’s *still* more complicated than your analysis. Because without credibility, your readers don’t stick around. Furthermore advertisers would often *rather* put money down on a site that is seen as having credibility, because they know they are hitting an audience that gives a damn.

      Do you see us avoiding criticism of EA, or Ubisoft?

      You might consider us naive, but I consider us incredibly experienced operating in the field where we make a living. Experiences tell us that our primary responsibility is to our readers. And most of the people working in our field know that.

      Many people are talentless, cynical hacks, too. But that’s another issue.

    • Kadayi says:


      Did you know that PC Gaming was dying and that the Razer Blade was apparently here to save it? This is news regarding a platform I’m very much attached to that kind of comes like a bolt out of the blue to me tbh (me and the other 30 million Steam registered users). After all who knew it (save Joel Johnson apparently)? Clearly not EA & Dice given they’re promoting BF3 as PC first, or Bioware with TOR, or the million plus people who tuned in for the recent DOTA2 competition livestream. How wrong could those guys be that PC is where it’s at? You see apparently it’s all Steve Jobs fault for making those lovely laptops of his, people just can’t resist buying them because they look so slick and shiny, despite the fact that only a smidgen of PC titles will run on OSX. I mean the notion that people might buy a machine to suit their usage needs is clearly BS thinking. No what’s important for people is the look of their laptop, nothing else. Functionality and versatility are secondary issues and inevitably everyone was going to be using Apple Laptops and PC gaming was going to die. Not any more though thanks to the Razer Blade.


      “Do you see us avoiding criticism of EA, or Ubisoft?”

      Do you think that your sites recent articles on say the EA EULA or Ubsofts DRM have been (dare I say it) fair & balanced in terms of criticism in retrospect? Or do you think they’ve perhaps catered towards the AIM more than laid out the cards fully? I mean when you talk about ‘our primary responsibility is to our readers.’ how exactly do you qualify that? To inform, or to support?

      Also tbh this whole things been blown way out of proportion, and I don’t think it’s necessary for RPS to defend the practices (real or imagined) of other gaming Journalists or sites. No one here is accusing you fine gentlemen of taking bribes or backhanders and that’s what is important.

    • Jimbo says:

      @JR: “And, again, that’s not what’s being said, is it?”

      Pretty much. You said that your peers were accused of corruption and that it was “never true”. Not ‘usually not true’, but “never true”. For that to be the case they would either all have to be incorruptable, or the system they’re operating in would have to be such that they were under no pressure to be corrupted. Fair enough, you believe it’s the second, because your experience says that your responsibility to your readers trumps other concerns. Morally that is true, but financially I strongly suspect that isn’t the case anymore, and that’s what makes the press open to corruption.

      As far as the internet is concerned, early/exclusive (but possibly skewed) coverage trumps late (but less likely to be influenced) coverage every time. For example: Giant Bomb scored Ballad of Gay Tony 3 stars; when Red Dead came out they were not given a review copy and therefore couldn’t get a review up in a timely manner. Did they buy it at launch and put a review up a week or two after all of their competitors? Of course not, a late review is a waste of time because everybody has already gone somewhere else. What signal does that send to anybody considering giving a Rockstar product a low score in the future? ‘Play ball or maybe you won’t get timely access to our next game, and your business will suffer as a result’.

      If you want another example, listen to the end of the podcast Todd Howard did with the GameInformer guys. It’s pretty sickening. It’s like he’s talking to his marketing department. Or just take a look at how high game scores have become inflated. Games aren’t scored on a 7-10 scale by accident; it’s because sites have one eye on informing their readers and one eye on keeping the publishers happy. They can’t afford not to keep publishers happy when they’re the ones paying for everything and are capable of directly damaging their business.

      A minimum level of credibility is certainly required, but as long as sites are smart enough to stay within the realm of ‘plausible opinion’ (which is massive) then the coverage can be corrupted as much as the writer’s principles will allow and it’s impossible to prove whether it has been or not. A lot of exclusive reviews tend to score very highly and exclusive early coverage is often extremely positive. I can’t prove that any individual case is anything less than honest opinion, but I’m not about to chalk the trend up to coincidence either.

      I don’t see RPS avoiding criticism of major companies, but then I didn’t say you were (and by the by, your niche position in the market ought to make you far more resilient to such pressures than the big general gaming sites). I said there are reasons why a news site might want to do that, and so long as those reasons exist then some of your peers will allow themselves to be corrupted by it. Not all of them, sure, but not none of them either. You are making a living out of it, but until your wages are being paid for by the audience rather than by the industry, then the pressure to keep the industry happy will always be there. Whether you personally bend to that pressure is immaterial; the pressure is there and some will bend to it.

    • beschizza says:

      Gents of RPS, you’re arguing with people who cannot be expected to understand what you’re telling them. You are rational adults trying to explain something to angry, squeaky-voiced children.

      Because the enthusiast press–Games, gadgets, etc–suffers from relying on PR for news, they will never accept that voluble praise is not evidence of corruption. Full stop. Their entire view of the critical landscape flows from a clueless adolescent cynicism (“everybody involved knows which side their bread is buttered”) which is so transparent it needs no explanation. We were all there once!

      I know it’s hard to let go, because we want to honor our readership and work through the reader-author trust issues that we always suspect to be at the heart of these things. And I get dragged into these things too, I admit.

      But here you’re debating people telling you that you’re “incredibly naive” for not agreeing that critics are “plainly” corrupt, and you know that the only reason he’s not talking about you (or anyone else instead of Joel) is cosmic happenstance. It is completely pointless trying to convince these people to give it up: they’re just too stupid to get over it and there’s nothing you can do to fix them.

    • Kadayi says:


      I’m fairly sure everyone here is an adult so going with the ‘children’ bent isn’t really doing the defense any favours. I’m also pretty sure no one at any point has claimed out and out that all game journalists are corrupt. Merely some have voiced the opinion that there is no certainty that all are incorruptible as Jim & KG seem to be stating. You seem to be misrepresenting what’s been said in order to attempt to deny a voice to people.

    • deanb says:


      Wow. What a great response. Right in with the ad homiems. “Hey RPS writers what’s the point, your readers are stupid children”.


      It’s potentially unbridled fanboyism, but it’s certainly come out of the left field. Last I checked on kotaku quite a bit of their Pc coverage came from republished RPS articles. To suddenly be gushing about an overpriced gaming laptop is a bit out of place. You have RPS, PC gaming site, treat it as a dismissive “in other news” way. Then Kotaku, known for mostly covering console games, giving it several articles to itself. It’s not exactly odd that this would set alarm bells off in readers heads. As Pointless Puppies said maybe folks should analyse what it was about Joels piece that set folks off than go around with the “your mother” jokes?

    • Jimbo says:

      @beschizza I have no idea who you are and even less idea who Joel is. I didn’t mention him once. I am disputing JR’s assertion that the allegations of corruption against his peers are “never true”, no more than that. That an individual allegation cannot be proved does not mean that none of the allegations are ever true.

      The only thing more naive than thinking all journalists are incorruptable would be to think that the existing industry/press relationship – in which the industry both pays for the press and has absolute control over access to content- does not have the potential to corrupt. If you put enough people into a system with the potential to corrupt then some of them will be corrupted by it – not none of them as was being suggested, or all of them which you have pulled out of your ass. It’s a bit like if you put enough commenters into a comment thread with staff: some of them will tend toward blind sycophancy, like you.

      You’re correct that it’s completely pointless trying to convince me to give it up though, because I’m right and I know it. Much like I suspect that JR knows he is right and it’s pointless trying to convince him otherwise too. Don’t go thinking that means you’re right too though, because you are just very, very wrong and your post was so fawning that it made me feel a little bit ill.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Jimbo: “I am disputing JR’s assertion that the allegations of corruption against his peers are “never true”, no more than that. ”

      Ok, when *have* they been true then?

      But that’s not really what I am in this argument for, which should be pretty clear by now. You certainly aren’t looking at this from my perspective, or really considering why I’m saying what I am saying. What I’m attacking, specifically, is the routine assertion by readers that the opinions of writers have been bought. I’m want to challenge *that* position, not talk up the values of my games-writing fellows.

      When someone presents actual evidence that a writer has taken money to dictate his opinions, obviously I will believe that they are corrupt. (Nor am I going to deny that people write terrible shit under pressure, game Metacritic, or whatever else.)

      But I don’t see that evidence. All I see if a lot of speculation intended to attack the credibility of my peers and my profession. It’s poisonous bullshit that’s so pervasive that it spawns threads like this one. Obviously I feel obligated to challenge it.

    • Pointless Puppies says:



      For the third time, when I say “that’s a criticism they have to take”, I’m talking about being able to brush off baseless accusations of bias/paid advertisements when they know for a fact that it’s not true. This is quite different given the content of the article. Again, I’m not suggesting necessarily that it was an advertisement, I’m saying the content was questionable and obviously the readership didn’t approve of it. That’s what’s truly the crux of the issue here.

      What I would wish is for Jim and Kieron to admit to the fact that the article was very poorly written and completely misinformed (they know it as well as we do), and that THAT was the real catalyst of this controversy. Obsessing over who called who “corrupt” is completely beside the point and beating around the bush at the same time.


      Here’s an idea. If “reputation” was as important as you’re trying to make it out to be, maybe Joel shouldn’t have written such a poorly worded and poorly researched article, then acted overly defensive when readers called it into question. I say those things are far more reflective on a journalist’s reputation than how many random readers are calling him a paid shill. Most of the time, a public figurehead’s reputation isn’t measured by what is told of him, but in what way he’s reacting, and Joel most definitely did not react in a respectable manner.

    • Kadayi says:

      “But I don’t see that evidence. All I see if a lot of speculation intended to attack the credibility of my peers and my profession. It’s poisonous bullshit that’s so pervasive that it spawns threads like this one. Obviously I feel obligated to challenge it.”

      Well where exactly do you draw the line in that thinking and what you consider as your profession? I mean if I start a blog and start writing about games do I suddenly join the hallowed ranks of ‘game writers’? What marks the cut here exactly? Who are the ‘have’ and ‘have nots’ in the equation? Does every pearl of wisdom from say leigh alexander weigh more than that of every non ‘games writer’ commentator? What about Jim Sterling? Is he always right and never wrong? Simply by virtue of writing for an established site?

      Anyway far too much drama for a Sunday

    • Jimbo says:

      JR: If you will only consider corruption to be a reviewer taking an envelope full of cash then I don’t know if I can give you one. Personally, I don’t consider the pressure to have one eye on publisher relations, advertising revenue, future access to games etc. to be any less corrupting though; it’s just less direct and almost entirely without risk. I can’t prove any of those on an individual basis either, but you aren’t going to tell me that those pressures don’t exist or that nothing that’s being written is being influenced by those pressures. I believe it’s *only* moral fortitude that will prevent a writer or organisation from bending to this pressure because, despite what you say about credibility with readers, gaming sites will never lose more traffic from soft content than they will from late content or not having that content at all, which are very real risks. A little honest bribe taking might actually be preferable to the insidious ‘You scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours’ mentality which large parts of the industry/press relationship appear to be built on.

      You want to challenge the routine assertions that games writers are corrupt, but you can’t, because from this side of the fence the system you’re all operating within looks shady as fuck. It’s not necessarily the press’ fault; if anything it’s our fault for not paying for our own press. Be that as it may, the only way you’re ever going to stop these allegations is by forcing a change in the industry/press/reader relationship. That means your wages being paid for by the reader, the press collectively refusing to accept the practice of blacklisting sites for reviews etc. The suspicion isn’t going to go away just because the press says “Trust us, it’s really far more innocent than it looks!”, because it doesn’t look innocent at all and you (the press) have a clear vested interest in saying it is regardless of whether that’s true or not.

      I can see why you would consider these allegations poisonous, given that you and your peers are always on the receiving end of it, but I think it’s actually pretty healthy that people are prepared to question the information that’s being put in front of them. ‘Who is paying for this site to keep the lights on?’ ‘Does the writer have any incentive to be less than honest?’ Given the answers, I’m not really surprised these allegations regularly come up. Perhaps they shouldn’t be aimed at individuals, but aiming them at games writing in general is not unwarranted, given the manner in which it operates, and how clear the industry influence on it is to all but the most casual observer.

      If this questioning -even cynical- readership ultimately leads us where we should be, which is a much healthier industry/press relationship and a press funded by the reader, then I think some hurt feelings along the way are a small price to pay.

    • Sheng-ji says:

      Why couldn’t he just have played with the machine and liked it that much?

      I’m not a regular at that site, though a few articles do catch my interest, but surely people go to that site because they like and respect the writers, how the writers present their information and the values of the site. Let’s face it, if you don’t like any one of those things, there are countless other ways to recieve your gaming news. With more being added every day!

      I’m going to admit something that will seriously make many people on here lose any respect they have for me.

      I read IGN.

      And I’m not going to apologise for it.

      Before I found RPS, IGN was my go to site. I might not agree with everything that was written, but crucially, I could read their articles and reviews, I knew the writers well enough to be able to make an informed decision based on what they wrote.

      And I very rarely passed up on a game I later discovered I would have loved or bought a game on their advise which I hated. So it worked, for me.

      And if a site is not working for you, move on, find another. Hopefully arrive here and support this site :)

    • steviesteveo says:

      If we have to prove that every games journalist ever was completely incorruptible just to argue that this single article wasn’t funded by a brown envelope then I’m afraid the terrorists have already won.

    • Consumatopia says:

      “When someone presents actual evidence that a writer has taken money to dictate his opinions, obviously I will believe that they are corrupt.”

      On the one hand, it’s ridiculous that some people are accusing a writer of taking an envelope of money without evidence of said envelope changing hands. People making accusations like that without evidence should be called out–it’s both offensive and idiotic.

      On the other hand, as Jimbo said, corruption takes many forms far less overt, and more pervasive, than this. And it isn’t just games journalism–I think informed reading of any sort requires you to consider the motivations of the author. This isn’t “poisonous”, it means that I’m actually taking what you say seriously.

    • Gap Gen says:

      Anyone have a scan of the PC Gamer “It’s all over” page with the fake Money Pit featuring the banana, a ball of rubber bands, viking helmet, etc?

    • Dante says:

      So, to all those who re apparently surprised to see Jim react so forcefully about casual allegations of corruption, ask yourself this.

      How would you feel if I walked into your place of business and accused you of having your hand in the till? If I publicly accused you and your co-workers of embezzling from your employer with zero evidence, zero understanding of how your business even works, just because I happened to have a different opinion than you?

      I suspect you would be angry. I suspect you would rapidly realise that it is quite frankly astonishing that games journalists put up with it as much as they do.

    • Vinraith says:

      Ok, when *have* they been true then?

      I’m not making any broader claim or accusation here, but isn’t this pretty much what was going on with the Gamespot Kane and Lynch debacle?

    • Kadayi says:


      “How would you feel if I walked into your place of business and accused you of having your hand in the till? If I publicly accused you and your co-workers of embezzling from your employer with zero evidence, zero understanding of how your business even works, just because I happened to have a different opinion than you?”

      That would hold true if the accusation was made against Jim himself, or another of the writers from RPS. However that’s not what occurred is it? This is against someone at another site (in fact I’m not even sure whether anyone here has actually levelled that accusation directly tbh). To claim that ‘I’m good, therefore anyone else of my ilk is as well’ implies an industry omniscience that simply asks to be challenged really. Which actually makes me come back to this particular point I meant to address a while back.


      ‘Kad, you spend half your time on RPS battling the wrongness of other people’s opinions – what makes you think I should behave any differently?’

      I don’t battle them as default though. I based my position upon my assessment of the situation as it stands in each particular case. sometimes I’ll argue tooth and nail for a developer, publisher or article writer if I feel they’ve been misrepresented on a particular issue, but that doesn’t mean I will always fight their corner. It’s an entirely contextual decision based on what I’m reading and what’s been said, and my take on it.

      In your shoes I’d of let the comment pass, because quite frankly whether it’s an infomercial or not, or whether the writer got a free lunch out of it is entirely moot, because it’s just not a particularly well written or thought through article at the end of the day, and certainly not one to go to the mattresses over with your community about.

    • Melf_Himself says:

      I’m just as ready to jump on the corruption allegations bandwagon as the next guy, and I fully expected to after reading the comments here. But…. I didn’t come away from reading the Kotaku article feeling as though it were an ‘advert’.

      It was an opinion on where PC gaming needs to go, and a commendation to a manufacturer that he felt was taking a step in the right direction. He barely even talks about the specifics of the device at all.

      I didn’t really agree with the article, but that’s a whole other issue. The people raising the QQ brigade over this…. well, haters gonna hate.

    • Duckpoop says:

      “You might consider us naive, but I consider us incredibly experienced operating in the field where we make a living. Experiences tell us that our primary responsibility is to our readers. And most of the people working in our field know that.

      Many people are talentless, cynical hacks, too. But that’s another issue.”

      Jim Sterling?

    • cavalier says:

      This as an interesting conversation. , I read the Kotaku article to see what all the fuss is about, and all i have to say is “wow” and not in a good way. That has got to be one of the most poorly written and researched articles I’ve read.What little validity he may have had in his opinion gets lost in stupid and misinformed statements like “HP just bailed on PC hardware” “Dell’s a rounding error for mid-sized corporate bulk computers.” not too mention the blatant apple fanyboyism that is so prevalent through the entire thing. You could write an article pointing out everything wrong with that piece.

      Does it mean he was paid? Not necessarily, but its an easy go-to explanation of why such a horribly written article would ever get published (never mind Kotaku/Gawker’s reputation) which is why a lot of commentators have clinged to it, and he isn’t helping himself with his reaction to those criticisms.

    • Sheng-ji says:


      “in fact I’m not even sure whether anyone here has actually levelled that accusation directly tbh”

      How else could you interpret the opening post. He may not have directly said it but it was so heavily implied that he may as well have done.

      So you’re not allowed to stick up for a colleague (yes I know they work on different websites) who’s accused without evidence of putting their hand in a till.

    • Kadayi says:


      “How else could you interpret the opening post .”

      That he thought it was a bad article that was pimping a product. That’s what I read it as. I’m not interested in the motivation.

      “So you’re not allowed to stick up for a colleague (yes I know they work on different websites) who’s accused without evidence of putting their hand in a till.”

      I think you’re stretching the credulity of the word colleague there.

    • Pointless Puppies says:

      Does it mean he was paid? Not necessarily, but its an easy go-to explanation of why such a horribly written article would ever get published (never mind Kotaku/Gawker’s reputation) which is why a lot of commentators have clinged to it, and he isn’t helping himself with his reaction to those criticisms.

      Exactly my thoughts. Such a poorly written article stuck out like a sore thumb, even given Gawker’s reputation. Naturally, a lot of readers wondered how this thing came to be. And naturally, the thought that the author got a free lunch for it flashed across people’s minds as a possible explanation. And it’s really not like it’s the first time anyone has ever made that allegation, or that it’s completely baseless. I’m sure JR has heard about Activision’s…er, elaborate “press events”, in which journalists would get incredible amounts of elaborate and expensive swag, would play in a luxurious location and, IIRC, were flown in with private jets. This is obviously foul play, and to say that there’s no such thing as companies influencing articles written about themselves only because the readers don’t have irrefutable evidence of cash-filled envelopes that have “THIS IS A BRIBE” written in gigantic letters on it is a really hard pill to swallow.

      At any rate, I’m not sure why JR is so completely obsessed about debunking the whole “gaming journalism is corrupt” thing, but it really is beside the point. People are reacting this way because of the way the article was written, so it’s obviously more productive to look at the cause of why there’s this controversy instead of obsessing over who called who “corrupt”, especially when it’s just a colleague and not the person himself.

    • Consumatopia says:

      Looking at the Kotaku article, it’s bad, but I think it’s less a matter of kissing up to Razer and more a matter of the Razer Blade fitting into some weird pre-conceived ideology of a PC platform with less hardware diversity. The article turns out terrible because that ideology doesn’t actually make any sense. Note that not even MacOS (as opposed to iOS) offers what Johnson is looking for–Intel, AMD and Nvidia have all made graphics cards that ended up in Mac computers. Not even Apple would try to put the same graphics card in a Mac Mini or MacBook Air as in a Mac Pro, and Apple updates their graphics cards much more often than a video game console life cycle.

    • Dante says:

      It really isn’t besides the point, when your profession is baselessly accused of corruption on a regular basis, never with any proof, just because people don’t like what you’ve said, it becomes the point.


      I don’t know what you do for a living, let us say that you are an accountant, or a lawyer, or a doctor and that you are constantly running into people who assume, with no evidence, that all accountants regularly embezzle, or all lawyers steal from their clients, or that all doctor’s routinely sell addicts drugs under the table. The first few times you might smile and let it go, but after a while, it would start to drive you crazy.

      I guarantee Jim has been accused of similar things in the past, just as baselessly, just as nastily. It’s about time Games Journalists started standing up for themselves and demanding proof for these hurtful accusations, and that starts with standing up for each other.

      I don’t care what you think about the article, but if you start talking brown envelopes, you’d better have some proof. Which you don’t. Because no-one ever does.

  3. staberas says:

    a laptop ? srsly? I am disappoint.

    now PC gaming can RIP.

  4. Rii says:

    Forget this overpriced ricer shit, for real portable PC gaming in future you’re looking at something like an Ultrabook.

    For my part I don’t see a lot of point in buying into any of the portable arenas until the next-gen Wi-Fi standards (802.11ac/ad) hit and make wireless streaming to external displays possible. Wii U is obviously the forerunner of that line of technology.

    • staberas says:

      Open Pandora nuff said

      link to openpandora.org

    • PodX140 says:

      Oh my good God it’s happened. Someone’s actually linked to openpandora. Now… Tell me. How is that system that I preorded and HAVE NOT HEARD WORD OF SINCE? I finally decided a month ago to cancel it considering, you know, a iphone4 is superior in both features and gaming capacity. Maybe lacking in controls, but please tell me how your 3 games run on it. I’m sorry, but it’s just outdated from… the four years that I ordered it?

    • Aninhumer says:

      I’d rather have a slightly slower device that actually has the controls to play basically any game ever than the latest super speed hardware locked behind a touchscreen and accelerometers. Also you have the entire libraries of every system up to and including the N64 to go at, which is a little more than three games.
      The company have indeed been slow in delivering, and that’s a perfectly good reason to cancel your order, but please don’t tell me the iPhone is in any way equivalent to it.

    • PodX140 says:

      Fair enough, maybe my statement was a bit harsh, but I was just irked by someone equating the future of PC gaming/laptops to what is essentially a relic. I will admit, as a gaming platform it has some merits, but PC wise not so much.

    • Eclipse says:

      agreed with PodX140, OpenPandora sucks. And they managed to ruin the awesome gp2x community too

    • Kamikaze-X says:


      Uh… i’m not really defending the JobsianFondlePhone here, but it has irked me a little that you think only the Pandora supports ‘Controls to play basically any game ever’ and ‘entier libraries of every system up to N64’.

      I know there are a TON of emulators out there for the JobsianFondlePhone and the JobsianFondleSlab, but then you bring me to Android to…

      The xPeria Play for example has built in controls for console stuff…. and then you come to my beautiful Galaxy S2. I have a full QWERTY bluetooth keyboard AND proper mouse for the thing if i wanted real FPS gaming, I have a Phonejoy gamepad on the way from China for console moments, and I have access to a full library of games up to and including PLAYSTATION, not just N64.

      Oh, and i can hook it up to any TV that has a HDMI port for real, full screen HD gaming, and if I really want to, I can use it as a phone too.

      The Pandora is obsolete and no way a reasonable option.

  5. Symitri says:

    After dealing with a number of Razer Keyboards and Mice, I’d be worried about the quality control behind a whole laptop, especially one at that price range. Despite this, I’m currently using a Razer Naga even though it has weird sporadic lag issues just because it’s the only mouse I know of that allows me easy access to a numpad for extra keybinds. If it wasn’t for that, I’d never touch a Razer product again if I could help it.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Yeah, the last gen of Razer mouse were pretty cheap. My Logitech mouse is luxury engineering by comparison.

    • Tams80 says:

      My Naga seems fine. I haven’t updated the software in ages though.

      Also, I haven’t used older Razer products.

    • MattM says:

      I have a razer mamba, I loved the sensor on the mouse and the layout but the build quality was poor. I had to oil the mouse wheel and glue two pieces back onto the mouse within the first 5 months. It also periodically crashes, but I don’t know for sure what is at fault there.

    • Balm says:

      My naga began to double-click on click after half-a-year of use

    • Ravenger says:

      I updated the firmware on my left-handed Razer Death-Adder the other day and it instantly developed the double-clicking problem. I had to search the net for an older firmware update to fix it.

    • Tatourmi says:

      Oh? I never had any problem at all with razer mices, ever. I currently own a diamondback and an imperator and both are completely fine, sure the imperator has a very wierd handling but it suits me better than other mices, and no hardware or software problems. One of my friends, also a diamondback owner, is pretty happy with it too.

    • Chalkster says:

      I’m still using my ancient Razer Diamondback 3G, but it’s starting to show some wear. If the latest gen of razer products are a poor choice, anybody got any recommendations for somebody who wants nothing more than two thumb buttons and some sidescrolling?

  6. mlaskus says:

    First gaming laptop? I would argue that my 3 year old 14 incher fills that same role perfectly, while still being easy to carry around.

    • LionsPhil says:

      My Thinkpad runs Civ IV and TF2 just fine. Being Intel graphics it doesn’t turn into a ball of fusing plasma on my lap, either. (I’d thank the XBox for holding back hardware demands to sane levels, but neither of those games are consolely, just a bit old…)

      And it has a proper damn keyboard. Have fun with your smushy chicklet thing, Razer.

  7. karry says:

    Do people actually buy Alienware products ? I mean…why would you ?

    • Matt says:

      Baller status

    • DazedByTheHaze says:

      It’s usually a combination of rich and lazy.

    • Chalkster says:

      My roommate had one once, never actually used it. Claimed it borked up the router every time it connected to wifi. Eventually sold it on ebay.

    • cubed2d says:

      ive bought two alienware laptops in my time. I had my reasons.

      First i bought when i started university. I needed a powerful piece of kit that could run the newest game and use for my own development work. this was about 6 months after Alienware were bought by dell, and were still operating as a separate business unit. Build quality wasnt that great, within a few months the thing was over heating so i had to send it back in for fixes. 1 month after the warranty expired it started up again. Alienware support sent me a tube of thermal paste and a screwdriver. thanks. I got about 3 more years out of it by reseating the GPU every 2 months.

      2nd one was a M15X just over a year back. I needed a pc for work that was powerful enough for what i was doing there (coding a bespoke 3D virtual training app for a utilities company. It was a very GPU demanding model.) I also wanted to be able to work at home on the same machine. I was given a rubbish laptop by the company i work for, so i decided to buy another alienware laptop.

      General build quality was way better than before, but sure enough, 1 month over warranty and overheating issues rear there ugly head.

      next time i need portable power i probably would get something like this razor laptop. its amazingly light compared to the previous machines ive owned in that kind of class. I hope it does well for them, i might need one in a few years.

    • PodX140 says:

      …Soooo, your reasoning is that you were unaware that alienware is hyped up crap and you can purchase the same laptop for at least 3/4’s the price?

      Also, saying you would pick this razer up is just… Mind numbing. Have you not read the HUNDRED comments on here saying how overpriced and just pain moronic it would be to buy one rather than countless other laptops with similar if not better specs that are superior?

    • cubed2d says:

      yeah, sure. ill bite PodX140, if that is your real name

      “…Soooo, your reasoning is that you were unaware that alienware is hyped up crap and you can purchase the same laptop for at least 3/4′s the price?”
      I am not unaware. You best not accuse me of not doing my due diligence when spending £1500-2000 on a piece of kit i plan to use for the next 3 year. When i bought both machines, they were cheaper than there competition in the UK. Fact. I know, i checked at the time. When i purchased the second laptop, not only was it cheaper than the competition, the competition was not even available in the UK. I could have waited however many months until it came out, or i could buy the alienware. I needed hardware, so i got it. Let me stress, that alough i came here to complain about both having hardware issues, i do not regret buying them, as they fulfilled there rolls they were purchased for at the time.

      “Also, saying you would pick this razer up is just… Mind numbing. Have you not read the HUNDRED comments on here saying how overpriced and just pain moronic it would be to buy one rather than countless other laptops with similar if not better specs that are superior?”

      Yes, i would? Whats wrong with saying i would conceder picking up one of these next time i need a portable? (which would be at least in 2 years time) Its got a lot going for it, especially its size and weight. Early previews have praised the build quality. If the next time im specing up a laptop and they are fetaures that are important to me, should i just ignore it because an angry internet man once called me names because of it? I dont see that as moronic.

  8. Ralud says:

    With that price tag I’d expect an SSD.

    • Reikon says:

      That’s an oxymoron. You can’t have an SSD that’s also a hard DISK drive.

      And no, the Momentus XT doesn’t count. :P It’s a hard disk drive with a large cache.

    • Persus-9 says:

      The only reason you can’t have one is that nobody is making one. It is theoretically possible to have an SSD HDD. You could make a drive which was really two separate drives in the same unit that stored the most used files on the SSD portion and the least used to the HDD. In fact I’d be amazed if there are a few lying about the R&D departments of HDD companies. It isn’t a technical impossibility so it isn’t really an oxymoron.

    • LionsPhil says:

      That’s what the Momentus is. It is not cache because it is persistent, non-volatile storage. Reikon is trying to be a smartarse and instead just being a dumbarse.

    • Persus-9 says:

      I dunno. Just because it’s persistent and non-volatile doesn’t mean it isn’t cache. I think the thing with the Momentus XT is that the SSD doesn’t store anything that isn’t on the HDD so in some ways the SSD isn’t really acting like a storage device because everything that you ask the drive to stored is stored on the HDD. It just keeps a copy of the most used stuff on the SSD for ease of access. The SSD doesn’t add anything to the storage capacity so it is purely there to improve the performance of the HDD so from that perspective it is acting more like cache than an SSD.

  9. TooNu says:

    The price is stupid, the graphics chip choice is stupid, people that need a gaming laptop are stupid. My pc is miles better than that thing and cost a 3rd of that. If we set up a LAN we don’t stand around bitching about how unportable our awesome desktops are and then wish we had some overpriced POS that’s easier to carry.


    • Tatourmi says:

      I do have a gaming laptop and here is the reason:

      I currently live in two distinct locations some 800Km from one another. I do not own a car and consequently am forced to use the train system of my country in order to travel. Travelling with my old, so old, so very old, rig was no option and I was faced with a choice:
      -Abandon PC gaming in one location, which is a bit what is happening except I am only abandoning the most ludicrous AAA titles in one location.
      -Get another rig, meh.
      -Get a gaming laptop which would allow me to play games everywhere (Not just in the two said locations) AND, when in my rig heaven, have a secondary laptop for easy LAN play with friends of the region.

      This setup has allowed me to play Magica local coop without those ugly and inconvenient 360 pads, Portal coop, L4D and whatnot, having fun with friends in other words. If that makes me stupid, hell, I don’t want to be part of the intellectual crowd.

    • karry says:

      “and I was faced with a choice:”

      Where is the option :
      -Stop wasting my life on travel, sell the second house, and keep my stuff in one place.

    • Persus-9 says:

      @ Karry: What a wonderfully simple world you must live in. I was half way through a fully funded PhD when I met the girl of my dreams who happens to have a good job and be half way through a degree 900 miles away. Which place should I have chosen not to spend time in? Should I have given up my education and my career or the love of my life? Thankfully I managed to work things out with my boss so I only have to be in one place every six weeks and so I’m able to spend most of my time with my fiancée. It worked out, I was lucky. The point is life is complicated so it isn’t always easy to be in one place all the time. If I’d had to split my time perfectly between the two then I might have been tempted by a gaming laptop as well.

    • Dozer says:

      Assuming Tatourmi and Persus-9 are different people: the first thing that came to mind when “living in two distinct places and travelling between by train” was “you’re a student”, not “you’re an MP”. Probably safe to say that people who can afford a second home (rather than living part of the year in a shared house and part of the year with family) can also afford a desktop-carrying car instead of using the train.

  10. vodka and cookies says:

    You can’t custom build a laptop which seems to fly over the head of the DIY builders. Also PC desktops have been declining in popularity through every known metric and laptops are being bought instead by the general populace.

    This is a super expensive luxury laptop but it has some nice design ideas, they really should try and knock out something a bit cheaper & try to set themselves as a proper alternative to the Macbook Pro.

    But Apple has major buying power from component makers so this might be the best Razer could do given how small they are.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Well, it’s tricky to home-build a custom laptop, but there are places that offer it, such as link to pcspecialist.co.uk

      No idea about the quality, of course…

    • jon_hill987 says:

      I had a desktop from them 5 years back, it was in no way bad.

    • Koukalaka says:

      Bought a laptop from pcspecialist about 4 months ago, excellent build quality, and heat sink, around £1.1k better specs than the razer laptop really amazed at the quality of the laptop for the price I paid. Yeah it’s heavy and not exactly “portable” but for somebody in uni having a laptop is much more useful than having a desktop. Highly recommend them if you want a custom built pc/laptop, as long as you don’t mind waiting a few weeks to get one.

      This laptop is ridiculously overpriced I mean lightweight/portable is kinda cool, but the gpu horribly lets it down, I would have expected a gtx485m at least. I really would not like to imagine how hot this would get under stress with how thin/lightweight it is. CPUs on laptops have been tested to show absolutely no difference in performance whilst gaming, they should have stuck an I3 in there and half the ram, and I highly doubt any game would perform worse on the machine,

    • Harlander says:

      Also PC desktops have been declining in popularity through every known metric and laptops are being bought instead by the general populace.

      Why does everyone criticizing desktops bring this up as if it’s in any way a meaningful point?

      “I’d rather custom-build my PC so I can have exactly the balance of price and performance I want.”
      “Oh yeah, well desktop PCs aren’t cool any more!”

    • jon_hill987 says:

      Oh, and while off the shelf desktops people use for Facebook are declining, (being replaced with laptops, netbooks, nettops and tablets) gaming desktops are not, but as they tend to be bought as parts rather than complete units “every known metric” does not count this.

    • Aninhumer says:

      I’ll keep them in mind next time I buy a new laptop. When I decided to actually spend money on a laptop for University, I went with Dell. The specs are okay on what I have now, but there are lots of little things about it that are annoying (for example, no hardware eject button on the disc drive). I think I saw that site and assumed from the appearance it was just a crappy web shop. Serves me right I guess.

    • viverravid says:

      I really would not like to imagine how hot this would get under stress

      That is my concern also. The air intake appears to be on the underside of the machine.

      In my experience, the only way to play games on a laptop like that is to prop it up on something so there is sufficient airflow to the intake.

      This is why the ASUS and Alienware gaming laptops are so huge – they have a proper cooling solution that has an intake at the front and an outlet at the back, so they will actually work when sitting on a table (or a lap)

    • karry says:

      “Also PC desktops have been declining in popularity through every known metric and laptops are being bought instead by the general populace.”

      As a member of “general populace” i honestly have no idea what i would use a laptop for.

    • LionsPhil says:

      Laptops let you potter about on the Internet and basically everything but games without turning large amounts of electricity into heat and noise, an annoying habit of “gaming rigs”. And you can sit out in the garden and do it on the few days when it’s not raining. (Screens are a lot better these days—mine will cope with proper full-on sunshine.)

      I was going to write about why gaming laptops never work, but the spam filter hates legitimate PC-gaming-related discussion.

    • malkav11 says:

      The fact that you can’t (easily) custom build a laptop is not something DIY builders miss. It’s one of the primary reasons we don’t recommend laptops as gaming machines.

    • karry says:

      “Laptops let you potter about on the Internet and basically everything but games ”

      Wanting to do stuff on a laptop in the garden is like that Brooker rant about iPad, i.e. actively ignoring the environment, so what is the point in the first place ? In the garden i’d rather interact with the, you know, garden.
      I cant imagine wanting to get on the net when i’m out very often, and if i do – its likely to be work related, and if it is – i expect my company to supply me with an approppriate device when i have need of it. But actually buying it for MYSELF ? Just cant see it.

    • Kamos says:


      If you just want to browse the net, and you don’t want to use too much energy, and you want to do it anywhere, you probably want a tablet, not a laptop…

    • LionsPhil says:

      I also said “basically everything but games” (and that’s an overstatement, since as I said upthread, older/strategy ones run fine). Pottering about on the Internet is just one thing; there are many others you can do while enjoying the fresh air and sunshine, such as development work (good luck getting MSVC on a tablet), any kind of serious text editing (real keyboard), or a mixture of these (decent screen real-estate and multitasking).

      When you selectively ignore parts of someone’s argument to form a disagreement, you’re just being a twat.

    • Kamos says:


      Overreacting a bit too much, perhaps? I was just saying tablets are even better than laptops if all one wants to do is browse the internet. I wasn’t making a snide remark that YOU should be using tablets. My point is that tablets make zero noise/heat, are lighter, use less energy, etc. etc. etc.

      Now, about your other points: for any serious development *I* need the machine I’m using to also be able to debug what I’m coding, not only run MSVC. And often when running device emulators I need memory, and by that point I’m probably not using a crappy laptop anymore.

      Also, I’d like to point out that you *can* buy a physical keyboard for some tablets. There are also Office applications, and mindmap applications, and UML applications and so on for tablets. Are they any good? Errr no, not really. You’re better off with a laptop, indeed.

    • roryok says:

      For custom laptops, I like the looks of these guys.

      link to kobaltcomputers.co.uk

      They’re based on Clevo I believe, but they build the insides to spec. And How.

  11. Pallax says:

    Pretty much, all I gathered from all the hooha – nothing to see here, move along, move along. The Kotaku articles were amazing though, really felt like the whole reader base got trolled :p

  12. Starayo says:

    I just got an Asus G73Jh with nearly the same specs. It cost me AUD$1200.

    Forgive me if I balk at this sham of an announcement.

    • Jody Macgregor says:

      I’ve got an Asus that’s slightly below that — a G71 — and the main difference between it and the Razer, apart from several hundred dollars, is that it’s heavy as a brick. When I pick up my girlfriend’s Macbook I’m afraid it’ll fly out of my hands, it feels like paper compared to this suitcase of a thing.

    • Gnoupi says:

      The G73jh would have been a fine gaming laptop if there weren’t big hardware issues on a lot of them.

      Which would be acceptable of course is ASUS support’s reaction was appropriate, and not putting their fingers in their ears and shout “lalalalala I can’t hear you everything is fine lalalalala”: same laptop, back from service.

      So I tend to doubt a bit ASUS’ service, understandably.

    • Lars Westergren says:

      Holy crap, I paid something like $4000 US for mine. The one sold in Scandinavia had slightly higher specs than elsewhere – Bluray drive, 8 GB memory, 2*500GB HD, but still… Price must have dropped fast.

    • PodX140 says:

      Yeah, I just purchased the new sony Vaio SA series and it just blows this thing out of the water. Good god, I could max the features, get a massive solid state drive, have a superior screen (default anyway), and STILL come out 700 bucks or so cheaper.

      I smell kool kids buying this for the brand thinking their laptop kicks ass.

    • Snuffy the Evil says:

      Rocking an Asus G53SW here- while the CPU is a little slower, has less RAM, everything else is miles ahead of the Blade. Hell, I can put in a decent SSD and still have this laptop cost less than half as much.

      Not that I really care about portability anyway- as long as it fits in a backpack I’m happy.

      As a bonus, it also doesn’t make me look like a tool.

  13. mbp says:

    “Wake up me up when someone announces a serious gaming laptop for $1000.”

    They already have. It costs a lot less than $1000 and its called an IPAD.

    I would love to be wrong on this one because I really dislike Apple’s business model but I really don’t see the laptop winning ground back from tablet computers in the field of portable entertainment.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      That would be great if the iPad could run a couple of decades worth of Windows games.

    • Fitzmogwai says:

      Ah-hahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha!

      No, really.


      Ah. Thanks for that. I needed a lift this morning.

    • Gnoupi says:

      Not to dis the iPad, touch gaming is interesting too, but that has nothing to do with PC gaming. You don’t play the same things on an iPad and a PC. You don’t play the same way.

    • Tams80 says:

      You… can’t… be… serious?!


    • Eclipse says:

      “They already have. It costs a lot less than $1000 and its called an IPAD.”


      Ok let’s get this straight. I have an ipad2, and it sucks hairy balls. I use it for work (aka I code apps), but as gaming machine? I play only Kard Combat on it and that Starcraft clone made by Gameloft.
      And it costs pretty much the same as a good laptop you can do real gaming in, like my Samsung one, that flawlessy runs basically every game out today.

      I use my ipad to watch movies, remote control my PC, doodle with Adobe Sketchbook (I even got a Styra stilus for that one) and nothing more. It offers the same crapware that’s on iphone

    • mbp says:

      As a committed PC gamer I would love if you guys smugness about “touch gaming” were justified but I can’t see it. Of course casual games dominate but there are quite a few “real” games on the platform too. Sid Miers Pirates is one good example of a AAA PC title that was successfully ported to the pad.Looking forwards however I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Modern Warfare 4 coming to tablet before it comes to PC.

    • Kamos says:

      I have aDosBox installed on my xoom tablet. I didn’t go very far playing because I don’t have the physical keyboard, but it does look very promising…

  14. Squishpoke says:

    Did anyone else snicker at that thing?

    My current laptop (900 bucks) is almost as good as that thing, hardware-wise.

    intel i7 1.73 Ghz (overclocks over 2.1 Ghz), Nvidia 425m, 4 gigs Ram
    2.8GHz i7, 8GB RAM, GeForce GT555M.

    I paid less than a third than that Razer….

    • Kadayi says:

      Fundamentally you’re paying for the portability aspect. It’s not simply a case of the hardware inside, it’s the hardware coupled with the build. Same it true with most high end laptops tbh.

      It’s the difference between buying a Porsche 911 or a Subaru. Both will go fast, but the former is a lot more stylish than the latter. I’d say the problem with the Blade as with Alienware is that they just reek of ‘gamer’

    • outoffeelinsobad says:

      ASUS gaming laptop contain comparable hardware at half the price, and the cases are slick without being gaudy. That being said, the portability suffers; they are legitimate desktop replacements.

  15. Bremze says:

    2800$? For GeForce GT555M? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Oh wow, are they really serious?

  16. Jamesworkshop says:

    While I agree that it’s too expensive I think $1000 is extremly unrealistic.

    I think we might end up with this being a product that creates a succesfull brand and product line, but as an actual unit probably won’t sell tremendously well.

    That asking price won’t be that high forever and that form factor won’t put such a strain on the price premium forever either, nor will that multitouch lcd display.

    Otherwise it’s the only exciting laptop I have ever seen, it certainly is the most contemporary piece of engineering and design for a windows based laptop.

    As for people asking for SSD’s do remember that a 300GB+ SSD’s are about $500-600 on their own, especially since it is likely that it uses a 1.8″ drive.

    You have to admit when was the last time (or ever) a laptop announcment been given this much press and gotten people talking.

    • PodX140 says:

      Pointless excuses. I just purchased a laptop that blows this thing out of the water, has a superior screen res, LIGHTER, AND IS 1000 BUCKS CHEAPER.

    • Jamesworkshop says:

      $1800 is still way higher than $1000 which again I don’t think you could make this exact product for $1000 especially not with a $500-600 SSD in it.

      As for this laptop a link would be nice because 6.9lbs for the Blade is fractionaly heavier (0.3Kgs) than the laptop i’m typing on with 3gb of ram a 8200m geforce with a 1366×768 15.6″ screen

    • PodX140 says:

      well, mine is a 13.3, but at 800 bucks below the price point of this razer, you can get pretty much everything superior in:

      link to store.sony.ca

    • Jamesworkshop says:

      Fair enought I don’t consider them a reasonable comparision a 13.3″ compared to a 17″ one is quite significant.
      I fully agree the price is too expensive but even the massivley overpriced PS3 is only about £180 now.
      That product will drop price even if razor doesnt want to

    • PodX140 says:

      True, but price drops as size increases. If there is such a small laptop at such a low pricepoint compared to this, you can bet your ass that there is something at least 1000 bucks cheaper with similar if not superior specs.

    • Jamesworkshop says:

      True but its the 0.88 inches of thickness that is the main deal,17 inches is just to have a nice sized screen.
      the product has no fault other than the inflated price which will drop with better production output, newer models, this won’t be a one off design but a product range if they have any sence, think of it like ultra expensive single PCB dual GPU graphics cards that end up about 3 times more than a normal card, it’s not those that make the company money like the $150-200 market does, but they are still important to the business.

      I think we really need another 2-3 years to see what turns out

      Even if the hardware was made better so it was worth $2800 i still think that the price would be too high just because of the market I don’t think a lot of people have that just lying around

  17. jon_hill987 says:

    Where is that double facepalm picture when I need it…

    I mean how is this supposed to “save PC gaming”? How is an overpriced portable gaming system going to get us better games? Have Razer now made it so the developers pay attention on things like mouse control in ports*? It isn’t the product that is the problem really, they can release what the hell they like only to find it sells badly, my problem is the viral announcement that made it seem like they had something big planned. For all the good this will do for PC gaming they might as well have released a tablet specially designed for playing facebook games.

    *shoddy laggy jerky control is making me unable to play Deus Ex: Human Revolution at the moment.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      Apparently setting “Maximum pre-rendered frames” to zero fixes the mouse lag for nvidia cards. Not quite sure how you do that, but it’s reportedly a fix.

    • Dozer says:

      Did you not read the bit in the article about how a ‘standard’ gaming laptop would give game devs something concrete to aim at? If they built games with this laptop in mind, instead of the old consoles, they’d build better PC games for all modern PC owners, including the large majority that don’t own this laptop.

      That said I don’t understand why a laptop would set some kind of standard while the generic i7 + 8gb RAM + (insert nVidia card du jour here) combination would not.

    • jon_hill987 says:

      @Jim Rossignol: Thanks, I will look into that, though why it wouldn’t just work is beyond me.

      @Dozer: Yes, but at that price it never will be “standard”.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      “That said I don’t understand why a laptop would set some kind of standard while the generic i7 + 8gb RAM + (insert nVidia card du jour here) combination would not.”

      I suppose because the future is supposedly portable? As in people are assumed to be more likely to buy laptops than desktops, so if a laptop with that spec becomes popular then it’s a potent standard for PC gaming. Something like that.

      That said, everyone in DXHR seemed to be using a desktop…

    • jon_hill987 says:

      RE: The future is mobile:
      Not in my opinion, who wants 17″ screens and cramped keyboards? Deus Ex has it right here in my book.

    • Lambchops says:

      If nothing else this thread has given me something to try to fix that annoying mouse lag in Deus Ex, so cheers for that Jim.

      As for the laptop vs desktop thing, I’d like a desktop (better performance for cheaper) but as I’m still at uni and likely to shift around it’s impractical really. So I bought a decent laptop a couple of years back as a desktop replacement and then bought a shitty cheap laptop for actually moving around/work.

    • MD says:

      I know this is a weird place for it, but could you guys please report back once you’ve tried the DXHR fix? I tried the beta and I get awful input lag — its fixability in the final release will pretty much determine whether I buy the game. It’s especially sad because I’ve read that they actually included a FOV slider, going up to a decent number (100 IIRC), and I want to hug them for that but punch them in the nuts for stuffing up the controls.

    • LionsPhil says:

      The very idea of a “standard configuration” is the antithesis of PC gaming. One of two things happen:
      1) The standard sits still for a few years at a time. Publishers have no particular reason to overreach it any more than for the X-Box. People whine that it’s holding back gaming.
      2) The standard is constantly revised. Buyers other that the hardest of the hardcore start ignoring the treadmill, and grumble about it. Publishers and developers look at the moving target that the majority of the customer base isn’t actually keeping up with, say sod that for a game of soldiers, and ignore it.

      PC gaming necessarily means dealing with a range of hardware configurations, driven by people’s budgets as to how often they’re willing to upgrade/replace, and how far toward the bleeding edge they’ll reach when they do. What PC gaming “needs” in this regard is scalability, not shifting the static goalposts of targetting a console toward what you have.

    • D says:

      Deus Ex leaked version: I just turned off vsync. Bit of tearing when riding elevators, but no mouse lag.

      Nvidia tip: Google Nvidia Inspector to setup a profile with Max prerendered frames to 0.

    • Nalano says:

      @ Jim

      “As in people are assumed to be more likely to buy laptops than desktops, so if a laptop with that spec becomes popular then it’s a potent standard for PC gaming. Something like that.”

      They’d have more luck developing a new standard if they weren’t charging three times what an equivalent desktop would cost.

    • Jim Rossignol says:

      I don’t disagree. The price is pretty baffling. I think if we’d seen a gaming portable for a third of that (even with vastly decreased specs) it might have been a more interesting announcement.

    • CMaster says:

      Asus and Acer both make gaming-capable, sub 2kg machines in the £600-700 region. For another one or two hundred, Sony and Apple do too.

    • MD says:

      @D: Yeah, I turned off Vsync, it wasn’t that. I think this quote from one of the developers explains it:

      As for the perceived “mouse smoothing” problems. I’m really sorry that you guys are experiencing issues with the controls, but please understand that there is no mouse smoothing applied in DXHR. The only cause for the delay between your input and the result appearing on screen is the amount of time it takes for the video driver to display the new frame (due to how video drivers work, this delay can be up to 5 frames, which adds up to about 80 milliseconds if you are running at 60 fps).

      So I basically need to know if there’s a way of getting around this, or if in the full version I can somehow get a good enough framerate to make 5 frames of input lag tolerable. From memory there was a ‘Post-Processing’ toggle in the beta options, which I hoped might reduce the delay, but no such luck. I’ll try to find the ATI equivalent of the ‘maximum pre-rendered frames’ setting, but I’d still like to know whether the NVidia equivalent actually helps, and also whether there are any relevant options in the full release that weren’t present in the beta.

  18. piderman says:

    Yeah Deus Ex is a nice example. I always like it when the real-time engine looks better than the pre-rendered cutscenes.

  19. Corrupt_Tiki says:

    I wonder how many games would bother intergrating support for that mousepad thingy, or how many razer would bother supporting, however it works, I can see it being rendered useless in the majority of games.

  20. Anthile says:

    This razer is not worth my shavings.

    • Tatourmi says:

      This laptop doesn’t cut the mustard indeed.

    • JackShandy says:

      Won’t be trying this until the price takes a cut.

    • Snuffy the Evil says:

      You wouldn’t be very sharp to buy this instead of something else.

    • Srethron says:

      Oh! the cutting remarks… the barbs catching… nicking Razer’s stubbly face… Things are getting hairy for them all right.

  21. elnalter says:

    the best thing i can say about this is that the asian guy would make a great voice actor for jade empire 2

  22. CaspianRoach says:

    The only use for a gaming laptop I see is going to the LAN parties with it. Other than that, desktop PCs are cheaper, more powerful and usually have better internet connection (wired).

    • Kamos says:

      Ah, I remember putting my desktop machine in a big suitcase and dragging it on wheels to a LAN party. And then having to take it apart and assemble it again, since everything became badly connected. And then having to use duct tape to place an enormous ventilator on the computer case, my riva tnt2 was ready to melt. Good times.

      Yeah I get laptops can be easily taken anywhere and all, but are they really necessary when desktops can do this:

    • Dozer says:

      Kamos: I AM AMAZE

  23. DavidK says:

    I doubt this will be killer gaming laptop, but I do like the cut of Razer’s jib. So PC. Respect.

    And the comments on Joel’s article say a lot about our cohort.

  24. mingster says:

    A lot of you seem to be missing the point it is the first true ‘gaming’ laptop.
    It’s not been made to run office apps etc.. it’s been designed for games.
    I don’t see any other laptops with that cool dynamicly changing touchpad thingy which has adaptive UI display inside it.
    The programable hot keys (while only Function key replacements) change to show what they actually do when pressed. You don’t have to guess that the F10 equavalent fires a spell for example you can see it does and what spell it is.
    This is a new level of interactivity which has been missing from PC hardware and could reinvigorate the PC gaming market.
    It’s more like what Nintendo are planning on doing with the Wii U and having an interactive touchpanel,.
    Saying your current laptop is better than this isn’t true. Does your laptop have an interactive touchpanel built in like that? It’s completely different. It may play the same games but its how you play the same games thats different.
    The PC control interface has needed reinventing it’s not ‘casual’ friendly enough.
    I think this looks really good, I agree it’s ludicrously expensive but there isn’t anything else like it.

    • Jamesworkshop says:

      Most people have missed the point so bad that they are even toting out the desktop vs laptop scenario that really has nothing to do with this specific product and simply the whole laptop market in general.
      The video even specificaly makes the distinction of not being a desktop replacment.

    • Aninhumer says:

      It’s an interesting idea, but I rather doubt they can get enough games to actually support the touchpad, based on a single overpriced gaming laptop model. Perhaps if they’d sold this as a line of affordable laptops including this feature, or as a separate input device you’d have a point.

    • PodX140 says:

      I’m sorry, but my G15 keyboard was toting the same thing and you know what that LCD shows? A freaking clock. It’s just a pointless overpriced gimmick, and by saying “designed for gaming”, they can ramp up the price for people who don’t know how to read specs. It’s overpriced, any way you look at it.

    • Corrupt_Tiki says:

      I have to agree with PODX here, I mean, sure it all sounds fine and dandy, but, only if it is properly supported, by games etc, regular updates, or else it will be nothing more than an interesting waste of space.

      PS; I also have a G15, after a full rebuild, several system restores(all unrelated.) and several different driver versions etc, I can still not get the LCD screen to function properly, although, mine displays a news feed so it’s not quite so bad, my joystick has the clock on it.. err..

    • Koozer says:

      My brother bought himself a G15, and the most useful thing it does is show his BF:BC2 scores without pressing tab.

    • malkav11 says:

      Personally, I’m not looking at my keyboard when I’m playing games. I’m looking at my monitor. Cool morphing buttons and LCD displays are neat tech and everything, but they don’t do anything if I’m not looking there.

  25. Cinnamon says:

    Even with embarrassments like this the PC still seems more appealing than Apple.

    • Ergates_Antius says:

      That might be because Steve Jobs hated games/gaming. Now he’s gone that might change.

    • malkav11 says:

      Where are you getting that? Apple was much more game-friendly once Jobs took on the reins again. Back in the 90s they did nothing whatsoever to promote gaming on Mac, and it was a wasteland of a tiny handful of much belated commercial ports, with the only real Mac gaming development coming from shareware makers and Bungie. And then Microsoft bought Bungie. Now…well, it’s not exactly a thriving scene, since PC gaming in general has been overshadowed by the consoles and Macs still only get a fraction of the games Windows gamers do (though at least they can now run a Windows dual boot), but between the Mac App Store and Steamplay, things are definitely brighter.

    • Cinnamon says:

      It’s mac owners who mostly look down on gaming. I think that looking down on things is something of a hobby for them.

  26. bramblepath says:

    To be honest, I’d rather be playing Half-Life on a shitty PC (beige coloured, of course), with a CRT monitor than using this piece of shit. PC gaming is becoming console gaming, alas!

    • MattM says:

      Well yeah, CRTs rock! I miss my old CRT that died. Sure it weighed 70lbs but it looked great.

  27. Bilbo says:

    So, this kinda kicks the “Consoles are shit because they’re closed platforms” thing they were using in the teaser into touch a bit; it’s a fucking laptop

  28. KauhuK says:

    My three year old budget laptop cant run almost any 3D games and some newer 2D games can be pain too. Not much of gaming anymore on it because I changed from windows to newest Ubuntu (11.04) and it’s cool. Of course I have my gaming PC with all good stuff to run any game with good to decent settings.

  29. finniruse says:

    I got an AcerAspire 5750g a few months ago. It cost £400 and can play even the most current pc games on at least medium. Even the BF3 Alpha looked great on it. Its the perfect budget machine if any of you guys are looking.

  30. razzafazza says:

    i dont think the guys who are aware of the fact that this machine wont run games any better than comparable machines which cost almost 1/3 of the price razer are asking ….well, i dont think those guys are razers target audience.

    their target audience are the kind of guys for who $1000 is pocket change, so they ll gladly throw it at anything that looks like a “luxury item” and this is such a thing. and there are more than enough examples which prove that catering to this “luxury” market can be profitable – i doubt razer is expecting to sell even 100.000 of these.

    what i dont get however is why a GT555m ? i expect that russian millionaire son to be pretty pissed once he finds out Metro 2034 will run like shit on his so called “gaming” laptop.

    imho for their target audience it d have made more sense going full out on specs (best graphics card, SSD HD ) and then charging $4000 for it. vlad (s dad) would still buy it and he aint gonna send you plutonium upon finding out his latest FPS doesnt run maxxed like it might happen with this laptop.

  31. Tei says:

    Games show in the video:
    – BF3
    – RIFT
    – LoL

    Well.. I think something like this laptop is a toy for rich people. A nice one. So is good for Razer and rich people. I am neither.

    Ignore the last line. I see everybody has talked about that aready. I sould read all the post before commenting, grrr…

  32. Kadayi says:

    From a design standpoint it looks like a nice piece of kit however it’s a pity that Razer feel the necessity to then smear their god awful tacky ‘Extreme Gamerz’ styling over it (something Alienware are equally guilty of tbh). I don’t want your shitty logo on the outside, I don’t want your glowing green back lighting either. What I would like (especially at that price) is something that isn’t going to look out of place and draw odd stares at a business meeting. A left handed version wouldn’t be terrible either.

    • Lambchops says:

      Clearly somebody somewhere likes all the tacky logos and ludicrous LED’s or else these companies wouldn’t persist with such nonsense. I’ve yet to meet such a person, but I shudder to think what somebody with that aesthetic taste would to do their house!

    • cjlr says:

      I recently bought a 20-inch case fan for the side of my desktop, and I could not find one that did not have LEDs. I had to cut the wire.

  33. TT says:

    Its a prettier slimmer version with a lcd/ toushpad of a CLEVO w170HR (witch as better keyboard, little less heavy! 2 hdd, and a better CPU… for half the price)

    And if you want a gaming laptop go for the P series that have real GPUs that you can swap…

    PS: when will the tech industries understand that if your selling something based on marketing alone you have to put an apple on it

  34. Shadrach says:

    Zzzzzzz….. please RPS don’t turn into another HW review site, there’s plenty of them around for those intererested.

  35. drewski says:

    MSI made some pretty sweet gaming laptops a while back (the one I had was A$1400, which was about US$1000 at the time), but cooling was a massive problem. You can get around that with those fan bases, of course, but then you lose portability. Mine, without cooling, lasted about a year before cacking itself. Then again, I dropped it a lot.

  36. Tatourmi says:

    All hail intense asian guy!

  37. RevStu says:

    Hang on – 125mm thick? That’s five inches.

  38. CMaster says:

    It’s a very shiny piece of kit, but as others have said its crazily priced, and doesn’t compare that amazingly with some stuff that’s already on the market. It’s also still heavier than any laptop I’d ever buy – 2kg is my absolute limit, beyond that portability really does start to disappear.

    I owned one of these, and it let me play all my games everywhere I wanted.
    It’s now been replaced by these, which is both lighter and better specced.
    Sony produce some gaming capable ultraportables too.

  39. Unaco says:

    PC Gaming is dead.

    Long live PC Gaming!

  40. _PixelNinja says:

    I’ll just leave this here:

    link to i.imgur.com

  41. aeromorte says:

    Im still using my pc from … erm the year that xbox 360 came out and it works great … every new game with max details and all that nice crap. Still i dont think ill need anything stronger till the new consoles comes out … im sorry to say that but pc gaming never was the main aim of developers … they first make games on consoles then they just port them to pcs … and since consoles are freaking old then yeah … btw lets compare games from 1990 and 2000 … amazing step forward right? now 2002 and 2012 … not so much anymore … why is that? When i started my adventures with pc i had to upgrade it almost every half a year to keep up with the games at at least medium settings … sorry sorry its just me beeing a little mad, i just hope the evolution of games wont slow even more.

    • Bantros says:

      Try running BF3 at “max details” on your 2005 rig and see what happens, for science

    • Njordsk says:

      someone’s lying here.

      2005 PC don’t run new games at max settings, clearly NOT.

  42. DeanLearner says:

    So that lil screen touch pad thingy? How many games are actually going to be able to use it? Or will it just let us display a section of the proper screen?

    The line similar to “all other gaming laptops have just been replacements desktop gaming PC’s” is awful. Actually, the whole promo video is awful.

    I’ll stick with my butt ugly thinkpad that can’t actually run that many games for now.

    • inawarminister says:

      Oi, you! I’m here to defend the beautifulness of ThinkPads! Black-red colour-scheme hmm

      Also, using something pre-T60?

  43. rclesham says:

    So if it is ludicrously cheap to get a desktop can anyone recommend me a good one?

    • Buttless Boy says:

      Generally the ludicrous cheapness comes when you build your own (or pay a geeky friend to do it for you).

    • DerekG says:

      Pick up almost any barebones or DIY combo from Tiger or Newegg for ~$400 or search for a similarly priced prefab like Acer AM3910-U4012 for example. Snag a *GOOD* $100-$150 videocard (i.e. Radeon HD 6850-$150 or GTX 460-$100 on sale) which is something every pre-fab manufactured computer skimps on. Mix and enjoy. 20″ 1080p monitor is an extra $100, 24″ $150, 28″ $250. This is a decent low budget option that’ll last at least five years.

      Or hang out here for a bit: link to reddit.com

  44. Carra says:

    What’s the use in a gaming laptop? You can’t play most games on a plane without internet anyway these days…

  45. Bantros says:

    Let someone like John Carmack figure out a way to standardise PC architecture so games can be programmed “straight to the metal” because all Razor are doing is embarrassing themselves with this effort.

    Portable is only useful if you need to lug it around, I can’t imagine hardcore PC gamers clearing their desks and putting a Razor Blade there because I certainly wouldn’t. And if I did need a portable gaming laptop it certainly wouldn’t be that garish effort. Bright green LED keys and a glowing neon logo might have been appealing to me if I were 14 again. Actually no, I’m lying, it would never appeal to me.

    And then there’s the price.


  46. Shadowcat says:

    So what happened to the Switchblade?

    • DeanLearner says:

      It’ll come, just as soon as we see a demo of the unlimited detail engine that features animation.

      That or they realised trying to suggest a laptop wont need a touchpad/mouse was stupid

  47. AgamemnonV2 says:

    Razer: Shitting on 25% of its market, because all gamers are right-handed, lewl.

    • Unaco says:

      25% Huh? Got a source for that? Most studies put the figure at about 10% of the population being Left-Handed. If they don’t cater to Left-handers, they’ve probably worked out that the investment/cost of producing Left-handed equipment outweighs what they would see in returns.

    • Rii says:

      Significant proportion of left-handers have adapted to right-handed playing styles also.

    • Kadayi says:


      TBH being leftie is not easy as a gamer. There’s only Razers left handed Deathadder as far as dedicated gaming mice go for instance. Sure there are plenty of ambi-dexterous mice, but they don’t feel great Vs a formed mouse.

  48. bill says:

    I for one am hugely grateful to our 360 overlords. It means I could play Portal 2 on my 3 year old non-gaming laptop, and i should be able to play DXHR too.

    PC hardware tends to be an elitist mugs game, and one of the reasons I like RPS is that they don’t seem to get involved in it. You don’t cover all the meaningless hardware news, which tends to keep the comments mostly clear of e-peen bragging and “teh graphix sux” comments. And you clearly recognise that gaming is about way more than the latest shiny graphics.

    The PC hardware race was always a money sucking, endless cycle – what we definitely don’t need is to jump back on that bandwagon with new “standards”. This period of calm has been great, and saved us all a huge amount of money and hassle. When the next gen of consoles arrives we’ll see another leap in minimum graphics, but i’d rather have a big leap once every few years than an endless race.

    What I WOULD like to see is someone actually using that freakin windows experience rating for games… isn’t that what it was for? I don’t buy retail, but i never heard of it being on boxes. It’s sure not used on any download sites.

    I wish everyone was like valve and made games that played on a wide range of PCs.

    • Tams80 says:

      Thankfully PC graphics are scalable, so it really shouldn’t have been a problem anyway, unless you like checking the maximum graphics box. Then again, developers could have decided to increase the ‘minimum’ setting requirements.

      N.B. not a dig at consoles.

      It is good that RPS don’t go into this swamp though. There is more than enough PC gaming news.

  49. Solidstate89 says:

    Overpriced and underspecc’ed. The only appeal is how thin it is.

    Hey, just like a Macbook! So it really is useless!

  50. Soon says:

    I’ll wait for the Razer Pointy Facestabber.