Valve To Speed Up Release Of DOTA 2

Valve’s DOTA 2 blog has word that their plans for a year-long beta “was dumb”. Here’s the brief from IceFrog:

We’re going to take the current version of Dota 2, which has The International set of heroes, and get it out there as fast as we can. We’ve still got some work to do in a couple of areas, so we’ll be keeping it invite-only for a (hopefully short) period of time. But there’ll be no restrictions on what players can do with it – they can release screenshots, make movies, shoutcast matches, write guides, publicly make fun of our HUD, or anything else their hearts desire.

Interesting! Looks like we could be in for a dose of DOTA 2 much sooner than anticipated. But will it overcome my general MOBA-reticence? Hmm. Sceptical.


  1. Ba5 says:

    They’re rushing it out so the dev team can help out with Episode 3. You heard it here first.

    • Bull0 says:

      God, would that you were right

    • ChiefOfBeef says:

      He’s wrong. They’re rushing it to free up manpower to help out with the 2-year ARG being made leading players on a hunt for a hint for a clue to a code unlocking a secret about a TF2 hat that implies an announcement coming ‘soon’ for a video where the Pyro will be seen checking his e-mail and getting a message from Valve briefly mentioning Episode 3.

    • Xerian says:

      Oh yeah, cause they’ve deffinately got one team that does everything, yeah.

    • smiggs says:

      Unfortunately this is incorrect; it is predicted that Valve are behind on their Team Fortress hat quota for 2012 so it’ll be all hands to the pump in the first quarter to retrieve this critical situation for the company.

    • Baka says:

      You’re more or less correct, Xerian.
      They _are_ one team that does everything at Valve.

  2. Bull0 says:

    Maybe they’re taking into account the combined forces of League of Legends and Jim’s rightly mentioned MOBA meh

  3. Tei says:

    I have started playing League of Legends to be ready for DOTA2, wen it release, and I am having a lot of fun. But I only play coop against bots.

    • Strange_guy says:

      PvP isn’t that horrible, I’ve played about as many pvp as vs bots and no-ones hurled a brick through my window with “noob” scrawled on it yet, and I’m terrible. At least give it a try, though you could end up with level 30s crushing everyone with their experience, masteries and runes at level 15, perhaps lower. Better matchmaking, or less stat differences between players would be nice…

    • fionny says:

      God youll be in for the land of your life if you ever play real players.

    • raydenuni says:

      The matchmaking does take level into account. If you’re just starting you won’t play level 30’s, they restrict based on level. However, I suppose if you did get to level 30 only playing bots and then tried to play with people you’ll be against other players at level 30 who have played other people, thus setting yourself up for failure. Just play with other people, it’s not that bad. Tell people you’re new (of course you are, you’re level 1), you’ve spent some time reading over strategy and how to play, do they have any tips for you and to point out anything retarded you’re doing. Most people will take a minute or two to help out and won’t bitch at you.

    • Tei says:

      I feel really comfortable with the game just now. But I will try, at least once.

    • Koozer says:

      It’s like playing Battlefield 1942 with only bots compared to a real server. Don’t be scared, go for it! We all believe in you Tei! Go Tei!

      *listening to aspirational theme tunes*

    • FriendlyFire says:

      Funny that, my first match in years has been with a player who couldn’t stop bitching and insulting the entire team, while obviously smurfing way below his level.

      We lost. I doubt anybody had any fun.

    • UrQuan says:

      Feel free to add me in the League. “UrQuan”‘s the name. I’ll be happy to help anyone nice enough to ask :).

  4. Retro42 says:

    My guess is all the LoL news regarding tourneys is making them adjust the timetable. They wait too long and they’ll be too late to the party.

    The current LoL:Dom betas probably aren’t helping them there either.

    • arccos says:

      Yup… its probably both. Domination is about the most fun I’ve ever had with a multiplayer game. It fixes most of the problems some people have with DOTA style game. It’s over quickly, it’s constant action, and your team won’t whine if you’re playing poorly.

      I strongly recommend anyone who tried DOTA style games in the past and didn’t like them give Domination a shot.

    • somnolentsurfer says:

      My thoughts exactly. I’ve never actually played a DOTA game, but I’ve seen some of the positive talk LoL has been getting recently. Valve’s stated reason seems noble enough, but I’m sure it’s not the whole story.

    • markcocjin says:

      Nope. It’s not about Valve feeling insecure about other games getting better press and exposure than Dota 2.

      It’s not about competing with other games. They’re confident that if they make the game really good, they wouldn’t have any problem making people like it.

      Riot and their game League of Legends are like ants to Valve. Even if Dota 2 won’t be a big hit, it will still bring people in from China and Eastern Europe. It will still add users to Steam. Clues of magical items and accessories in Dota 2 will lead us to believe that all heroes will be free to play. Items would probably be drops and purchasable from a Valve virtual store like Mann Co.

      In the end, whatever everyone else does to the Action RPG (Moba for those who thinks LoL is the first Dota), Dota 2 is going to be big. It’s going to be so big because it will be updated, and polished, and continue to give away great stuff for free long after everyone else has given up.

      Dota 2 is not just Valve’s cash grab. It is an experiment, a test bed for future Steamworks features meant to be shared with other publishers. Like TF2, its main monetization is Steam. Steam and other developers’ games make it possible for Valve to be so generous and happy with what they do.

      Dota 2 is just one big advertisement for the church of Valve and Steam, its cathedral.

    • Aquamarine Jesus says:

      I think you are right about this being a reaction to everything going on in LoL. I liked the original DOTA and play a fair bit of LoL, but the new Dominion mode in LoL blows them all away. It becomes even more fast paced than classic mode, with much less focus on farming and more on PvP. It seems like they were pretty much successful at everything they were claiming it would do to the game and it’s all good.

      I haven’t really read much about DOTA 2 yet, so I’m not sure what DOTA 2 is going to bring to the genre that LoL and Dominon are not already doing better.

    • Kaira- says:

      Give me a quick briefing: what is Domination and how does it differ from the normal DotA-match?

    • Aquamarine Jesus says:

      The main difference is that you don’t you attack the Nexus/Ancients directly and there are no lanes in the typical sense. The main map is one big circle with paths running through it and five capture points on it. To damage the other team’s nexus you must control a majority of the capture points. The buffs are different (speed/health and shield that I saw) and are no longer based on killing NPCs, they are just scattered about the map and you simply run over them to pick them up. There are a bunch of other little tweaks as well, teams are assigned quests from time to time with additional rewards and lots more.

      The overall effect is battles are much shorter and you no longer stand in a lane and kill creeps for the first third of the game or so, its pretty much instant pvp action and it never lets up. I never found myself standing in the same place for more than a few seconds unless I was defending a control point that was being attacked by enemy players. After playing a few matches, I felt that PvP is much more central to the gameplay and happens more often over a shorter amount of time than traditional matches.

    • Kaira- says:

      Sounds pretty neat actually, maybe I should install LoL once again. And maybe this time actually play it :O

    • Retro42 says:

      Don’t get me wrong. I’m a huge Valve fanboy. I just think someone working there did the numbers. If they release next year LoL will have more stable maps (SR, TT, Dominion), more champs(sure they’ll top 108 by then), bigger playerbase, more tourney support, and a rapidly growing Asian playerbase.

      If DOTA2 wants to be competitive (which makes them money) they need a release soon before there aren’t any unsaturated markets left in the MOBA field. The fact LoL is expanding on the genre just compounds this by making a later DOTA2 release have to field the question of what new it brings to the table.

    • Maldomel says:

      I really like the Dominion mode (not Domination by the way), it’s not farm-farm-farm all day long and then maybe we can teamfight if no one fed the other team. It’s really fast-paced and allows the use of other champions who cannot get a real place of choice in the classic mode (like Talon, Sion and so on…).

      Also, since everybody gains gold/xp over time at the same path, you cannot really fall behind and your deaths are not THAT important. As for the community, some players are already flaming others after a few days of beta…

    • Xocrates says:

      Yeah, I just played my first few matches about an hour ago and I think in every one there was someone either complaining about someone else (and we’re talking folk bellow level 10 here) or at least saying bg at the end (even though all of them were pretty close).

      On the upside, the game mode is so fast paced that they really don’t have much time to bitch during the game proper, meaning it was overall a peaceful and enjoyable experience.

    • somnolentsurfer says:

      @markcocjin It’s not about which is the better game. It’s about being first to market. Right now, LoL has the jump on Dota 2, and they’ll be even further ahead by the time Valve release if they don’t start building their customer base soon.

      And, weird as it seems, Riot aren’t small fry to Valve. LoL has about 15m registered users. The whole of Steam, last I heard, only had about 30m. As far as I know, LoL is growing at a rate no single game has ever seen before. A large proportion of those may be curious about Dota 2, but without a community they’ll never move.

  5. Rinox says:

    What, a game coming out sooner than announced? What witchcraft is this?

    • Man Raised by Puffins says:

      More precisely: A Valve game coming out sooner than announced. I fear Ragnarök is upon us, my friends.

    • Starky says:

      Valve-time is mysterious, and sometimes works in reverse.

    • Mollusc Infestation says:

      Perhaps they were only able to achieve this feat using F-Stop.

    • ResonanceCascade says:

      It probably has something to do with those neutrinos CERN claims to have measured at faster than light speeds.

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    • DigitalSignalX says:

      @Simroth funky! play it again Sim!

      And in other news:

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    • BirdsUseStars says:

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    • Mollusc Infestation says:

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  6. ResonanceCascade says:

    They probably just realized that the game is pretty much done and didn’t need a ton of tweaking.

    Hopefully they get some more people on Counter-Strike: GO. That game is looking a little shabby for something that’s about to go into a wide release Beta.

  7. BurningPet says:

    They are confident enough that their product is good, they know a lot of people want to see it and talk about it and they know that this kind of exposure is the best they can get and more importantly, get for free.

  8. Vandelay says:

    I was initially interested, despite my own MOBA-reticence, as it was a Valve game. However, I got bored very quickly watching some of the tournament, so my interest declined quickly.

    I think my main interest in this getting released is the announcement of what Valve will make next.

  9. Fiwer says:

    I’m guessing they’re realizing what a stupid investment this was and just want to get it released and stop wasting any more money.

    • Stupoider says:

      But there are thousands who’d give money to play a dedicated DotA sequel.

    • HaZiLLa says:

      You do realize that DoTA has millions of players yeah?

  10. admanb says:

    Wait… early… video games??? BRAIN EXPLODE!!!

  11. Timthos says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is the rarely seen phenomenon called “Reverse Valve Time.”

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  13. Njordsk says:

    Valve and speed up in the same title, I almost fainted, you should warn us.

  14. ssbowers says:

    Who cares? Where in the holy hell is Ep3?

    • Vinraith says:

      I think I may have finally stopped caring. The trick is to lose all faith that Valve can actually end the series in any kind of satisfactory way.

    • DigitalSignalX says:

      Rumor has it Gabe is building it himself in his free time at home on a non-networked computer that is located in a bio-metrically sealed safe room.

    • subedii says:

      I felt the same way as Vinraith, except with Portal 2.

      Then when I actually played it it pretty much re-affirmed to me that Valve really know what they’re doing when it comes to characters and story, and fitting them into the gameplay.

      At this stage I’m of the mind that it’ll come out when it comes out. I was pessimistic about the possibility of it being any good whatsoever to be honest, but playing Portal 2 genuinely did change that for me.

    • Thants says:

      Vee-At-Pipe-Vee-Three makes me so mad!

      Edit: So this is the fabled Reply Fail.

  15. pilouuuu says:

    Valve to slow down release of Half-Life Episode 3

  16. Gunsmith says:

    I have never played a Dota game before, I could be convinced to try one now.

  17. molten_tofu says:

    I still don’t know what DOTA stands for, or anything about how this game is played or what it looks like. Will I be collecting hidden orc greeting cards to unlock in-game drinking? Will I be able to buy a sniper rifle that shoots rainbows? Will I be herding sheep into pleasing formations?

    Someone help me!!!!!

    • The Tupper says:

      I was thinking the same thing. So many acronyms…I want an idiot’s guide. I’ve been a PC gamer for many years, but I feel as if it’s slipping away from me a bit, as I evidently don’t know what a ‘MOBA’ is either. I know that (ahem) GIMF, but the underlying assumption that I should know what it is makes me feel either ancient or smug. Not sure which. Both, probably.

    • Gunsmith says:

      Dawn Of The Ancients.

    • ResonanceCascade says:

      If you ask Valve’s lawyers, Dota 2 doesn’t stand for anything — especially not Defense of the Ancients, which is already trademarked.

    • ArtyFishal says:

      DOTA is an acronym for “Defense of the Ancients” the title of the original Warcraft III mod. MOBA stands for “Multiplayer Online Battle Arena” and is the name for the RTS subgenre that includes games like DOTA.

    • The Tupper says:

      That would explain it. I’ve never played any Warcraft except a brief, now-kicked WoW habit. Gawd, here *I* go with the acronyms. Thanks for the info.

  18. Inglourious Badger says:

    Hmm, I’m a bit sceptical about this reverse Valve time business. I’m pretty sure this is just Valve’s way of saying it might actually be released on time maybe possibly

  19. reticulate says:

    Just for fuck’s sake let us finish Half Life 2, and then I don’t care what you do with anything.

    Give the CS hardcore a well-deserved update.
    Give the TF2 masses some new hats to buy and/or actually win via playing the damn thing.
    Give the Day of Defeat dudes a chance, a whisper of something.
    Give the LoL and DoTA people a new map to go smash each other on via pure math or whatever crazy bullshit metric they manage to be awesome by.

    But before all of this, please, for the love of all that is good and decent in the land of gaming, just let us finish the Half Life 2 story. Please.

  20. Eversor says:

    Sounds to me they’re a bit afraid of the growth of competition in that one year. For their own sake, I hope they aren’t taking shortcuts in quality because of that.

  21. thatcity says:

    They probably understand that the game as it shows in Germany is very good and people that play the beta are happy with it,so why not release it speedy? they will add more content soon,like they have done in the past with tf2,that now is 4 times bigger than it was in 2007,and has a lot of more hats on its head.

  22. Asocan says:

    Shh guys, theyr only saying it will come out sooner to deal with less whine when they delay it

  23. abigbat says:

    I have never played any of these defence of the ancients thingies, the learning curve looked a bit steep. Worth a shot?

    • Thants says:

      Yeah, worth a try. Both League of Legends and Heroes of Newerth are free-to-play now, and DOTA 2 will probably be. I’d say League of Legends does by far the best job of making things clear to new players and fixing the unnecessarily complicated bits.

    • MadTinkerer says:

      Fixing the learning curve has been said to be one of the highest priorities of DOTA2. Unlike the others (as far as I know), Valve are even implementing bots to practice against.

      Personally, I’m more excited about the alternate gameplay possibilities that bots provide. It opens up the possibility of FINALLY having a proper set of entities and assets for RPG maps in DOTA2 and/or single-player RPG mods in Source without having to mess with C++. (We almost had it with Dark Messiah, but the necessary tools were never made available. Or something like that.)

  24. MythArcana says:

    I find it amusing that v@|V3 simply can’t write a game with their own engines whatsoever. Every single game of theirs out there? John Carmack’s work. Now DOTA? Someone else’s work once again.
    It’s blatantly obvious that this company is just an opportunist stint whose originality is trumped every time by laziness.

    • Thants says:

      Is this some kind of satire? ALL of their games are on their own engine. What does John Carmack have to do with anything? Are you saying that because their engine is based on an engine that was originally based off the Quake engine, they’re unoriginal? I don’t think you understand what game engines do.

    • Ghil says:

      They haven’t used a third party engine since the Quake engine. That was Half-life 1, more than a decade ago. What are you rambling on about?

    • subedii says:

      I believe he’s trying to stoke ire in some form.

      Not sure it’s quite working. *shrug*

    • Shooop says:

      Source isn’t Valve’s own creation?

      link to

    • Thants says:

      I don’t know what you’re talking about, this looks exactly the same as this.

    • MadTinkerer says:

      Source is only “John Carmack’s work” in the sense that every game engine that uses BSP trees and other Carmack innovations is based on Carmack’s work.

      But that’s like saying World of Warcraft is the product of a three man team: Tolkein, Gygax, and Arneson. (And if you want to be really petty and obscure, you could give a little credit to Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone as well.)

  25. Shooop says:

    Everyone’s going for a balls-out assault on Diablo 3 apparently.

  26. Spindrift says:

    Am I the only one that thinks ‘MOBA’ is vague to the point of pretentiousness? I mean, interpreted as ‘multiplayer online game where people fight,’ it describes almost every popular multiplayer game regardless of genre. But then, I guess ‘popular RTS mod’ didn’t have the flair people were looking for.

    • Thants says:

      Lots of names are vague if you just look at the literal meaning of the words. RPGs aren’t just any game where you play a role.

    • Zyrusticae says:

      Thants beat me to it.

      If you think about it, “real-time strategy” can describe plenty of games that involve strategy and are real-time. For that matter, turn-based strategy RPG sounds descriptive, but it’s really incredibly vague – it’s a turn-based game that emphasizes strategy and has you play a role.

      Besides, calling them “DotA-likes”, well… I don’t like glorifying DotA any more than it already has been. Besides, MOBA rolls off the tongue better.

  27. godgoo says:

    What’s a MOBA?

  28. Beaverman says:

    One reason why DOTA 2 will be bigger than any of this “Dominion buisness”: Modability, i will be surprised if valve doesn’t do their normal “SDK” release some months from real release, and then it’s HELLO CUSOM MAPS, and i wont be surprised if someone smart makes a copy of dominion for DOTA 2…

    Valves best sellingpoint has always been and will always be modability, so look forward to some awesome new gamesmodes for Dota 2 as the SDK gets release, for Valve does not make think of games like products, but like services!

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  30. Blackseraph says:

    I personally hope this doesn’t eclipse LoL. Valve is big and succesful enough already, let Riot have their thing. Come on.