Battlefield 3 Physical Warfare Is Non-Physical

Because it’s a download. I mean I guess maybe that is still physical in some sense. It is a configuration of atoms on hard-drives… This is a rubbish line of thinking. Look over there, a free thing! It’s out and free, says Battlefieldblog. It’s new guns, as trailered below. So are you Battlefield 3 purchasers still playing Battlefield 3? Or has the lustre worn off?


  1. Adventsparky says:

    Skyrim stole me away, but I intend to return, BF3 is awesome.

    • sosorry says:

      And after a buggy start, getting even better with time. Also thanks to B2K.

      But this Physical Warfare pack has been out since release for preorderers and special edition owners, besides most of it already an unlockable in the non SE.

    • SanguineAngel says:

      Exactly the same. I think BF3 is by far and away the best MP shooter I have played but I am knee deep in Nords!

      I still have many hours of BF3 man shooting ahead of me.

      I do have some gripes about that metro level though :(

    • thessalian_pine says:

      Exactly. Skyrim eats up all gaming time at the moment. But I’ll definitely return to bf3 for all things multiplayer.

    • Llamageddon says:

      Same here, but as I am just upgrading my rig with a SSD and a new Radeon 6950 (should have gone with the 6850 for power/£ ratio I found out later), BF3 sounds like a good alternative game to test this out on as I haven’t played it since Skyrim came out; Once I have finished installing the 100 or so texture replacements for Skyrim that is.

    • Tyrone Slothrop. says:

      Adding my voice to the chorus, Skyrim did indeed steal me away but Back to Karkand stole me right back. I do wish however there were now another 10 permutations of the map design brilliance of B2K‘s Gulf of Oman, Sharqi Peninsula and Strike at Karkand.

      Also, I just started using the KH2002 after dismissing it at first due to its burst-fire exclusivity. Holy shit it’s the best weapon for assault I’ve found; lowest-vertical recoil, 800rpm for close-quarters engagement, fastest muzzle velocity and more visually interesting than M16-variants.

    • Davee says:

      I like the gameplay and would probably be playing it more if it weren’t for the hideous stuttering I get half of the time my soldier gets suppressed by passing gunfire. CPU spikes off the performance chart for no obvious reason. Otherwise the game runs pretty smooth. Hoping for an improvement after a complete system reinstall and a shiny new GTX570.

      And oh, they should also do something about anti-vehicle missiles tracking air vehicles endlessly and unstoppably using Laser Tags. I can deal with the AA missiles, but getting shot down by AT without being able to do anything beside trying to find solid cover with your chopper is teh suck.

      (In retrospect: I think I Replied to the wrong comment…

      But as for Skyrim; I’m waiting for them to finish patching/breaking it. At least a bit.)

    • quintesse says:

      Skyrim here. But even so, although BF3 seems pretty cool if it ain’t on Steam it doesn’t exist.

    • Inglourious Badger says:

      Same, although I did return to BF3 this very morning to try out the new maps. It seems everyone got a lot better while I was away! still great fun though, and the new (old) maps seem aces

    • Calcographer says:

      EXACTLY THIS! I am typically not a MP shooter guy (my last that I was quite good at would have been Unreal Tournament), however, BF3 swept me up into it’s glory. Then came Skyrim, with all it’s Nordic angels summoning me to Sovngard.

      I fully intend to play more BF3, I just need to find the time!

    • DodgyG33za says:


      I have been playing Metro 64 CTF almost exclusively for a couple of weeks and absolutely love the intensity of it. It is like playing the bastard love child of Unreal Tournament and BF3. While there are three choke points at B there is an ebb and flow to the game, which usually ends up with one or other side breaking through.

      It is a bit like a football match. Nothing much seems to be happening and then bam, one side has a breakthrough and it is a completely different game.

      Even with 64 players, one player with smoke and a shotty can really change the game.

      As it happens, I also got distracted by the shiny shiny of Skyrim, but it didn’t last long. Apart from the visuals I am not sure it is much of an improvement over the previous games. The AI isn’t, which really kills it for me. Can’t help thinking that if they had saved the money getting voice actors they could have had NPCs that didn’t say the same thing every time you meet them. The thing I really don’t understand is why they have different voice actors using the same script. Just lazy.

  2. yhancik says:

    How are those guns more “physical” than what’s already in the game? Or are they just stating the obvious because it needed a name?
    Shall we expect a Tangible Vehicles Pack or a Visible Maps Pack?

  3. limboing_leper says:

    I continue to be entertained by BF3, the Back to Karkand maps are excellent but they do highlight how poor most of the launch maps were. Now I’m looking forward to the much rumoured BF2143 expansion.

    Wasn’t the Physical Warfare pack one of those confounded pre-order bonuses? A bit surprised they are giving it away for free, I approve of course though.

    • TheLordHimself says:

      Completely agree. In comparison to the BF2 maps, most (not all) of the BF3 maps are just not as good. Damavand Peak on rush is pretty cool though.

    • Synesthesia says:

      Yeah, i’ve noticed this too. The “new” maps are blatantly better than the launch ones, most decent servers dont even have the old rotation anymore.

      I hate to think that everything before was better, but now i definitely want some more bf2 maps. Rooftop combat, damn! Good times.

    • Nick says:

      Oman and Sharqi should have the new points moved around a bi and the beach ones spread out too on Oman, they have some that are just far too close to each other. But yeah, I only really like about 4 of the old maps (Caspian, Kharg, Canals and Firestorm) so I feel it badly needs more maps (and I hate wake and always have).

    • DodgyG33za says:

      @Nick, I am with you on Wake, but interestingly the release maps you mention are my least favorite. I enjoy Metro, Grand Bazaar and Teheran Highway.

      Maybe it is just because I am not interested in Air, so prefer the maps with no or limited aircraft.

      Was the same with BF2. My favorite servers were INF only (especially Karkand and Road To J.).

      Each to their own I guess.

    • Durkonkell says:

      There’s rumours of a 2143 type expansion?


  4. Captchist says:

    Still very much playing.
    As others have said, Skyrim stole me away, in particular because I had no Internet for a month – getting Skyrim installed and authenticated proved a nightmare of trying to get my desktop computer to public WiFi – and so Skyrim had my full attention for the majority of that month (as well as single player TF2, who knew it even existed!)

    After gorging on Skyrim though I’m very much back into BF3 and thoroughly enjoying it. Back to KArkand assignments have been a really nice addition, and the newer maps are noticeably better than the old ones in terms of giving all classes something to do.

    Still feel the Recon class needs work though – mostly on the gadget side of things.
    Choosing between a TUGS and a SOFLAM doesn’t really give the same fun and uniqueness as choosing between Grenade launcher, smoke grenades, buckshot, flechettes, and healing.

    • ChromeBallz says:

      The MAV is awesome. You’d be surprised how useful it is in city maps in 64 player – One mav can help hold the map for the win for quite a long time.

    • The JG Man says:

      Except the SOFLAM and MAV/T-UGS give Recon a pathetic amount of points. They are, however, ridiculously fantastic when used by people who are supported by a team who makes use of them.

    • Nick says:

      The MAV is hilarious for gently pushing snipers off the tower on Caspian.

    • grundus says:

      Fact is, the Recon is a recon scout, nothing more, so giving them gadgets to kill stuff with (well, that are designed to kill stuff, at least, the MAV can road kill) would be bad, I think. On a full server you can get plenty of points and make a real difference with the MAV, and if I’m honest I get a real kick out of seeing someone on my team ambush an enemy thanks to my spotting (unless everyone I watch over is just psychic). Also the MAV kind of makes the T-UGS redundant because if you drop it and leave it it will work as a motion sensor anyway. I think they could even give it laser designation like the SOFLAM and be done with it.

      A lot of people want the Recon to have claymores and/or C4, but the former is a camping tool which isn’t very scout-like, and the latter is for destroying tanks, again, not a scout’s job. Long story short, if you don’t like the gadgets, you’ve got other classes to choose from. An assault rifle with a scope can make a passable sniper rifle, sort of.

  5. Stellar Duck says:

    After a month away from BF3, putting in 90 hours in Skyrim, I have now returned to shooting men. And it’s pretty awesome still.

    It was actually Skyrim who lost it’s lustre for me. After 90 very very enjoyable hours I increasingly couldn’t ignore the emptiness of the world. The lack of dynamism. The NPCs who are completely oblivious to everything. I couldn’t keep ignoring that the game is basically just a spectacle, though a grand one at that, that tries its best not to let me peek behind the curtain to see that the puppeteer is dead and the puppets are just moving in the wind.

    I’ll return to it later though, seeing as it’s truly a good show. I just need to forget that that is all it is.

  6. McDan says:

    I’m dividing my time between this and skyrim, when the friends are online it’s BF3 because that’s such a blast to play with friends in a squad. Best multiplayer experiences ever.

  7. Llamageddon says:

    And on that trailer it actually still says “Available exclusively for pre-orders.” I approve of them making it available for everyone but if they say “exclusively” shouldn’t pre-orders feel a bit miffed in a Scrougey kind of way? Publishers really ought to work out what pre-order exclusivity really means, I would have thought on a technical level (but probably not a practical one) all those pre-order customers would have grounds to sue on the basis if misrepresentation or something. (I am no laywer). Sounding negative but I’m glad they aren’t locking away content from their customers just to boost the early “hype sales”.

  8. CaspianRoach says:

    Flash supressors for snipers? Wouldn’t that give snipers even more reign? How are you supposed to notice a sniper now?

    • ChromeBallz says:

      Flash surpressors only surpress the muzzle flash when firing a shot, NOT the scope glare that gives snipers away so easily.

    • CaspianRoach says:

      Does the scope glare appear in low-light situations? (Never played bf3, theoretically it shouldn’t)

    • Alexander Norris says:

      Yes, it does. The point is to balance sniper rifles, not model the effect of light glinting off a sniper scope.

    • Nick says:

      there is no reason to use flash supressors at all. They make you less accurate so are wortthless on snipers, a silencer would be better once you know how to adjust for the increased drop (and you are going for headshots anyway so the reduced damage generally shouldn’t be enough to stop a kill).

  9. Skusey says:

    I bought it soon after launch as I wasn’t too sure about it, and I’ve barely played it. The campaign was even worse than I hoped, and I quickly abandoned that, but I was really disappointed by the multiplayer maps. It seems a far worse game then Bad Company 2, which is a real shame.

    • ChromeBallz says:

      Karkand, Sharqi and Gulf completely fixed that problem.

    • Alexander Norris says:

      The BF2 maps made me realise how rubbish the BF3 maps are. Really, it’s like playing a whole other (and much better) game.

      I’m hoping they release a few of the good 2142 maps at some point.

    • Loz says:

      Totally agree. It was the unlocks that really killed it for me. Unless you’re willing to play until your eyes bleed, you just get pwnd by people with no life but VASTLY better guns than you.

      Unlocks, to my mind, should be minor things that give you new ways to help your team (like the MAV), or minor weapon enhancements, not things like the stupidly powerful guns, or the chobham bl00dy armour that vastly weights the fight in favour of the person who has logged more hours!

      Doesn’t exactly make it n00b friendly. Hey ho, back to Windhelm for me!

    • dragonfliet says:

      @Loz: most of the unlocks don’t really make things more powerful. For instance, the SCAR, the very first engineer gun is by far the most powerful. Most unlocks (except for gear unlocks on things like vehicles) simply change how you play, not how good the stuff is.

    • Herkimer says:

      Strongly agree with Dragonfliet. I mostly play Support, and I’m still using the M249, which is (I think) the first gun you unlock. In my experience, the biggest benefit that the grindier players receive isn’t teh uberleet guns, but map knowledge. I have a passing familiarity with all of the maps, but I can’t say that I really know any of them well, and so I tend to get killed by dudes who do know them well.

      Also, as far as the speed of the unlocks: I am a totally shit player, usually towards the bottom of the post-match rankings; I nevertheless feel like things are proceeding apace. No quarrel at all with how quickly I get more stuff.

    • grundus says:

      Disagree with everyone ever (I haven’t been paying attention), I just unlocked the PKP Pecheneg, which took a while as I don’t play as support often.

      link to This Support weapon stat chart on proves just how crazy this gun is. Look up the other weapon charts on the site for a more detailed picture. Highlights include how the PKP shares it’s minimum damage range with some sniper rifles, how it has the highest suppression effect of anything that isn’t a sniper rifle (but you can do more suppression per second because of the rate of fire, of course), how it has a better muzzle velocity than some ARs and carbines and let’s not forget the fact that it comes with a bipod which turns most LMGs into stationary assault rifles in terms of accuracy… It’s an awesome gun, which I can’t believe wasn’t nerfed, yet the G3A3, which was balanced, was, and is now pointless.

      I mean I know very few online players have bothered with co-op, but come on… 20-round magazine, the highest recoil, lowest rate of fire, lowest muzzle velocity, shortest range and highest spread of all the assault rifles, but it takes the same number of bullets to kill an enemy with full health. I worked hard for that rifle and hoped to turn it into a DMR when I got the heavy barrel, ACOG and bipod, but they nerfed it before I even got the bipod. Plus it sucked at long range anyway thanks to the slow bullets.

  10. Jorum says:

    Still playing BF3 and loving it.
    I don’t play much FPS, especially online. But for some reason Battlefield has always been different. I think because it’s a bit less twich-gaming and allows for some sneakiness and out-thinking.

    I tend to prefer the closer-quarter infantry focused maps, but that’s because I prefer assault I guess, and get frustrated by random death by tank/plane/chopper.

    And despite how much I enjoy Metro, it is very very broken. A US win needs almost pro-level coordination and skill, whereas Russian win is piss easy.

  11. Enzo says:

    Battlefield 3 is the best multiplayer FPS I have ever played. There was no game before BF3 that had such high quality of… everything really. It’s the prettiest game on PC, the best sounding game on any platform (gunshots are ridiculously amazing), and gameplay is perfect.

    So yeah, I like it quite a bit.

  12. absolofdoom says:

    lol, they shoulda released after skyrim.

  13. Dakia says:

    BF3 is still a blast to play, but it is also infuriating.

    In BF3 a lot of new tools have been added like MAVs, SOFLAMs, Stingers, MAA vehicles, TVGM, etc, etc.

    The result of this has been that vehicle combat is less of a factor than it was in BF2. Nearly every vehicle, be it air or ground, is easily destroyed without any real fear by the foot soldier.

    I still like the game, but it seems more at home on Infantry Only (IO) servers than is does on the larger servers.

    • SanguineAngel says:

      I would disagree, I think single vehicles are great support to infantry but more vulnerable to enemy infantry than previously BUT with a couple of vehicles they are much stronger working together. Then of course, you come up against well organised squads of infantry at which point you need your own infantry for back up.

      Basically I think there is just a lot more focus on cohesive teamwork across squads and entire teams.

      I do think Jets are a bit underpowered though, they’re essential anti-helicopter vehicles as far as I can tell.

    • Nick says:

      Jets aren’t even that good against choppers anymore. In fact choppers need a nerf again, at th very least to the 50 cal damage they take, they are retarded at the moment.

  14. felisc says:

    If only there was some kind of sale for euro countries.
    Here in france its still 60 euros on origin, eurf.

  15. Magus44 says:

    Much like other people here, much of my time has been in the Rim. Now I’m waiting on mods.
    I wanted to get into Battlefield 3, but after the last “patch” its unplayable. It ran fine, before, now lags horribly and I cant have much fun. I know I’m not the only one unfortunately, so I’ve got to wait for them to fix it. (If they do…)
    Thankfully I’ve got Nuclear Dawn, and some cheap games and achieves to get from the steam sales.
    Now I’m getting into Dungeons of Dredmor as well. Only a little bit behind.

  16. harvb says:

    The problem I’m finding with Back to Karkand is that the team balancing appears to have gone away. I’m so many terribly uneven matches, I’m not finding it fun any more.

  17. Jabberslops says:

    To all the people who keep saying BF3 is the best Battlefield ever, you obviously never played Bad Company 2. Battlefield 3 is broken. Stop ignoring that fact. The game needed 6+ months more of development time. The “Beta” was unfortunately a good indication of the final product. Every review of the game ignores the singleplayer and praises the multiplayer, but nearly all of them ignore the flaws of the multiplayer.

    I would argue that Bad Company 2 is a better game and in general a better Battlefield. BC2 has issues as well though, but honestly it has far less than BF3 and mostly just needs hit reg tweaking and some class and weapon tweaks.

    Right now BF3 is just one constant frustration after another. The BF2 maps help, but they need to fix gameplay flaws. Flaws such as launched grenades or RPGs exploding on impact of glass (also glass absorbing bullets instead of going through and hitting what is behind. No delayed fuse on launcher grenades so they explode even point blank (Thanks team mates for the constant nades to the face. I really needed yet another face lift). 1/4 second delay in hit reg on every action on every server with people playing with pings above 100 (my guess is because of client side hit registration). FUCKING CLUTTER ON THE GROUND that stops you dead in place and will sometimes make you suicide… Vaulting when you just want to jump FFS! Falling to death from a 2 foot drop…


    There are so many rage moments in BF3 that it makes me want to say mean things about the developers. Sure, BC2 would make me rage sometimes too, but nowhere close to as much as BF3.

    • slick_101 says:

      You obviously Never played Battlefield 1942. that was the BEST battlefield game.

    • CyberBrent says:

      Granted I haven’t looked up too many opinions of the game, but I feel that the fact that flashlights, and to a lesser extent laser sights, ARE RIDICULOUS! No really, look at a flashlight, then look at the sun (if it is a daytime map obviously). Care to guess which one battlefield 3 thinks is brighter?

      Granted I’ve only played the xbox version, and haven’t watched much PC footage either. It’s like your eyes are crappy digital cameras.

      edit alert: spelled ridiculous wrong… oops!

    • Tyrone Slothrop. says:

      Well I’ve played all the Battlefield games except 2142 and to me it’s not only the best Battlefield game, but quite possibly my favourite multiplayer experience ever. It also seems like most of the things you mention are incredibly minor flaws like the effect of projectiles on glass or vaulting.

      That being said, the game does need more BF2 maps or at least, more control points on vanilla maps. I do find it interesting that an increase in the number of control points over a comparable map area counter-intuitively seems to create tighter and more frequent combat encounters.

    • Nick says:

      BF2 was better than 1942 and I’d say, as long as you aren’t being jet/chopper raped, its a lot more fun than BF3 still. A combination of BF2 and 3 would be the best BF ever. Then again, if they suddenly patch the default spawn/revive time to be a bit longer, make autofire terrible if you aren’t prone/bipod deployed/very close, make single shot worth using, stop putting cap points within 100m of each other and nerf the hell out of RPG/SMAW blast radius damage it would probably be as good as BF2 mechanically.

    • Jabberslops says:

      I own and have played every Battlefield game except for 2142 (I wasn’t interested in the setting) and the console versions. I have played each one for no less than 400 hours total not including the time spent on the expansions.

      Anyway… The things I mentioned are only some of the flaws I have found with BF3. The flaw may seem minor, but with over 100 hours of play I have found them to be some of the most frustrating and quite often they will be unavoidable. There are many more. Battlefield 3: 99 Problems, but a bitch ain’t one… Actually it’s probably more than that.

    • DodgyG33za says:

      My my, someone needs to get laid.

      For the first ten hours I was convinced that BC2 was better than BF3. But then I put in hundreds of hours into the former. Now with 50 hours BF3 under my belt there is no doubt that BF3 is the better game.

  18. says:

    For as much as I thought I’d miss out by not playing Battlefield 3, I’m really not caring. (and gloriously Origin-free)

    • Grey_Ghost says:

      I care a little bit, but currently care about staying Origin free for as long as I can more.

  19. Maxheadroom says:

    This is what I like about the RPS forums. Some relevant opinions yet 40 something comments in and not a single “BF3 is the worst game evar! It’s for the gays and suxors and should get like 0%. MW3 rawks! it’s should get 110%.” etc etc etc.

    Really, what is it you hang over the door to keep those anoying little fanboy shits away?

  20. Dobleclick says:

    Yep, still playing BF3 very regularly, same as my buddies. Although I agree that the B2K maps are better from a technical perspective, I do enjoy the regular map design far more. B2K maps are mostly too huge for my taste, and tend to have extremely confusing frontlines (if any).

  21. Hensler says:

    So how would one go about installing this if they don’t have the special or limited edition of Battlefield 3? I don’t see it on Origin, and my game hasn’t updated since the last patch. Is the content already on there, and it was just unlocked for free now? Running around Metro with shotguns is a ton of fun, and I want to try that new one out.

  22. the.celt says:

    Looking at all the comments here, I think it’d be a great advertisement for Bethesda if they said “People wondered who was going to win the battle. Call of Duty or Battlefield? We have the the answer. It was Skyrim!” As they mentioned each franchise they could show a modern military guy, then another modern military guy, and then the iconic Skyrim guy with the horned helmet comes in and kicks them to the side.

    So yeah, I’m playing Skyrim. I was very tempted towards Battlefield, but then the “Origin Police seperates people from their purchased games” topic came up and that was a strong deterrant. I very much have it in my head that I don’t want to put many, if any, eggs in the Origin basket. I know I’m the type of person that could say something, somewhere, that EA doesn’t approve of and then they could just go YOINK! to all my purchases at that point. That would make me sad.

  23. grok23 says:

    Still playing BF3 and not likely to be stopping for a while, other than playing other games for a little bit at a time just to give myself a change of scenery.

    I will get around to Skyrim in the end, but not for another month or two. I promised myself I wouldn’t go near it until the game was several months post release and substantially more stable. I just can’t be bothered with all the hassle of installing mods, watching them all get broken each time a new patch gets pushed out and then having to go back and fix them, reinstall etc. I feel no pressure to play it until it’s ready, probably due to it being a single player experience.

    BF3 on the other hand was, aside from a few minor issues, pretty much amazing fun right from the outset as a multiplayer experience and has thus kept my attention constantly since release. The well timed release of the B2K maps has only served to further reinvigorate the game for my friends who had dissapeared to check out Skyrim for a bit.

  24. cylentstorm says:

    My current PC rig was hatched far too many moons ago, so I play a lot of console games. BF3 MP is great (if you can find other players who don’t play it like CoD and also know what a microphone is.) Little things like this are just sprinkles on the icing of a very large and tasty cinnamon roll (I don’t care for cake…the dessert–not the band.)

  25. Barnaby says:

    I don’t care how classic it is, Wake Island is a piece of shit. There need to be more servers with a combination of vanilla maps and B2K maps, as the latter get boring pretty damn fast. As with practically every slightly competitive multiplayer game in existence there are also some serious team balance issues very often.

    I like the game a lot, but between Origin, Battlelog, limited squad functionality, no commanders, mouth-breathing teammates, and vehicle whores the game can be more than a little frustrating.

    • DodgyG33za says:

      Team balance: I can’t for the life of me work out why this is so hard to get right. It could shuffle people so that total rank on each team was equal, or average KDR. And still keep platoons together.

  26. NthDegree256 says:

    Skyrim stole me away from BF3 for a while, but Tribes: Ascend is the one with its hooks in me at the moment. I keep meaning to go back, but BF3 doesn’t have jetpacks (MAV exploits notwithstanding.)