NCsoft Seek To Prevent US Release Of TERA

Those are the most disturbing gaming boobies I've seen in a while.

Why can’t we all just learn to get along? With MMO TERA finally having a release date set for May this year, and the pre-release hype building up, NCsoft have leapt in and thrown a court at the proceedings. As MMO Culture reports, a dispute over the ownership of software and artwork means that the release could be scuppered as it sinks in the mire of a legal bog. I’ve taken a look at the legal filing, and explained the details of the claims.

Bluehole, they who are making TERA, are formerly of NCsoft, and the latter are accusing the former of having snuck out with half a game hidden in their coats. During their development of Lineage 3, a bunch of NCsoft employees upped and left to create their own studio, and NCsoft say they didn’t do this “empty-handed or with benign intent”. In fact, they say, they took off with “copious amounts of confidential and proprietary NCsoft information, computer software, hardware and artwork relating to Lineage 3.”

Quite an accusation.

“Their business plan was simple and audacious: creating a competing product using the very work they had done while at NCsoft, launch it themselves to great fanfare and acclaim, and in the process, deal a crippling blow to their former employer.”

These seem like strange words for a legal document. They seem to be suggesting that Bluehole (which is a horrible name) plotted the fanfare and positive reviews, which is odd. And the suggestion that their company, with its many successful and popular MMOs, cannot withstand the competition of one more competitor is most peculiar. How this is a “crippling blow” to NCsoft will be difficult to prove in court, without their going out of business as a consequence.

However, in 2009 a Korean court upheld accusations that the former employees had stolen “trade secrets”, according to the filing, along with winning damages and an injunction to prevent the “proprietary information” going forward, in a civil suit. The damages, however, were overturned on appeal.

A similar case is taking place in Korea over the Korean-language version of TERA, although the game was successfully launched over there last year. But the release in the US has angered NCsoft until their holes turned blue too. The language in this filing is seething:

“Bluehole, continuing its competitive war against its rival, has now threatened to open a new and potentially enormous front, namely, the United States.”


It seems to come down to NCsoft’s belief that TERA will take away their Lineage customer base, and as a result they will hugely lose out on profits. And if Bluehole really did steal the content, it would seem they have a pretty strong case. Although one claim NCS make seems a touch dubious. Amongst the legal guff is the suggestion that the two left-most characters in the below pic –

– a “child-like fairy heroine and the small, rotund and furry animal-like race” are “completely different from any characters previously appearing in an MMORPG.” Um. I’m sure we can all think of a few examples that contradict this. They also file this map that was intended for L3:

Lineage 3 also planned to include “two radical and unique features”. They were “a more dynamic and engaging system for combat”, called the “Action Combat system”. It meant targeted regions on enemy bodies and constant movement around monsters. (So a bit like The Secret World then.) These are claims that absolutely every MMO developer makes for their next project, before failing to include them. Who knows what Lineage 3 would have had. The second was an expansion on the first two games’ “Castle Siege”, adding “a true political system that allows a player to become a rule through election, as an alternative to the traditional method of combat.” That sounds neat.

NCsoft then allege that project lead of Lineage, Yong-Hyun Park, had become disgruntled by his salary, and began plotting. Referring to him and others who planned to leave and form their own company as “conspirators”, they explain how he used NCsoft meeting rooms to recruit their employees, and was soon fired. 48 of the 100+ Lineage 3 team followed him out. Taking Lineage 3 with them in their brains was in violation of agreements they had signed previously, and NCsoft goes further to claim they also committed “theft”, putting “an extensive amount of proprietary data to, among other things, personal storage devices”. These are claims that seem to have been upheld by Korean courts, and fines and prison sentences were handed out to Park and three others. That was appealed, but upheld, and it’s now going through “Korea’s highest court”. But at this point (in 2008) they couldn’t prove that the trade secrets were incorporated into TERA.

And then the big moment. NCsoft claims that the version of TERA launched in Korea in January 2011 contained those characters, the geography, the “Action Combat” system, and the political system. And that character line-up? Here’s their own comparison:

They claim that since the release of TERA in Korea, Lineage I and II sales and market share have declined. Well, um, I’m sure they have, being fourteen and nine years old respectively. That seems a bit of a wild claim.

So there it is. They’re after injunctions to prevent the release of the game, and the return of the proprietary information. Which could well be understood to mean, they want TERA as their own. They’re also after damages. Bluehole (just, ew) have so far issued a “no comment”.

It does look like they have a pretty strong case here, and this could mean a significant delay for TERA, perhaps even kill it dead. We’ll keep you posted.


  1. Pobblepop says:

    Lot of boobs on here lately?

    • wccrawford says:

      Do you mean the screenshots, or the people doing stupid things?

    • Khemm says:

      That’s how you attract the male audience.

    • lurkalisk says:

      Men like people doing stupid things.

    • SuPerNoVi says:

      Why fight it? Boobs are awesome :)

    • Diogo Ribeiro says:

      did they also stole the idea of cadaverous zombies with full blown tittaes?

    • Velvetmeds says:

      I’m going to take this boob to ask something

      What’s the best way to contact someone about posting up a good deal on savygamer that hasn’t been posted there yet?

    • requisite0 says:

      link to

      Because boobs.

    • mentor07825 says:

      Also it attracts a sizeable female audiance too.

    • Guvornator says:

      It’s sort of an extension of Rule 34 – if it is female, game developers WILL put huge tits on it. The scary thought is someone, somewhere is taking a solo ride on the tunnel of love over this…

    • mentor07825 says:

      Console game in development, SkullGirls, is about sizeable portions as well. The interesting thing to point out is that the art is mostly done by a female artist that loves doing things such as this. Which is funny, because when the developers were show casing the game people (men) came up to them and said that the game is sexist due to the representation of the female characters. When the developer said that only one artist does all of that and she’s female, they no longer had a problem about it because a woman was doing it.

      Honestly, people get their knickers in a twist over the simplest things. And the fact that they didn’t have a problem about it after the explanation is absurd. I remember reading about it on Edge or Games(tm).


    • Diogo Ribeiro says:

      I also like to imagine the left zombiething is screaming “na na na my breasts are bigger” and the girl is crying “you meanie”.

      what more studios need is that old fashion love Activision style, with Kotick riding shotgun and going “we’re all friends aren’t we?”

    • menderslan says:


      Just because something is made by a woman does not mean it is not sexist. Women can be misogynistic too. It’s called internalized misogyny, do yourself a favor and look it up some time.

      But then, to try to talk to people about this issue sensibly on the internet is a bit like jamming a spork into one’s eye.

    • lhzr says:

      @mentor: as menderslan said, that’s nonsense. also it’s just half of the story.
      Read here for the other half: link to

      “Our quote was taken out of context and shouldn’t have been taken as an actual, serious argument against sexism,”
      “It’s rather disrespectful to both Kinuko and her work, as well as the company as a whole. If you read the whole article, you will see that there is an anecdote that demonstrates the absurdity of this female-animator argument.

      “I wish it was made more clear that we don’t support the female-animator argument as a valid point against sexism at all. It has an incredibly misleading tone since the very first quote is ‘our lead animator is a woman.’ It’s also in poor taste to call out another game/character by name as an example… I feel like these quotes all came from a conversation, rather than an actual interview.”

    • mentor07825 says:

      Considering that the only thing that is sexist about it is the character design and not the moves, unlike in SFIV where it was both the character move set and the character design itself.

      Sexism, much like racism, exists in everything. Regardless, it’s there. Whether the artist likes to draw big titular characters is sexist I’m not in the position to say yay or nay. However to cause a stink about it when they were showing it off in the game, and not give it a chance solely due to misplaced chivalry, is a bit lopsided.

      You could also sound less admonishing however. For someone that commented on opposite behaviour you’re not paving the way towards such.

    • lurkalisk says:


      You should then look up “Misogyny”. Unless I just happened not to read the right comment, we’re not talking about the hatred of women here, just the much broader sexism. Why does no one use that word correctly…

      Also, of note: Just because it has big boobs doesn’t mean it’s sexist.

    • D3xter says:

      I wouldn’t have it any other way. In fact, promise of boobs attracted me to read the article above.

    • former nigerian says:


      well of course you wouldn’t, assuming you are white, male and straight, the target audience for this kinda thing.


      “Also, of note: Just because it has big boobs doesn’t mean it’s sexist.”

      Yeah well it isn’t that straight forward, having big boobs isn’t sexist but having a character with big boobs in an industry dominated by white males, most likely designed by a man for other men, it can be pretty sexist. It’s objectifying and reducing the woman to a set of organs. Intent…


    • dysphemism says:

      Yeah, and a lot of people commenting on them. The Ken Levine interview comments got totally hijacked by a similarly-themed discussion.

      On another note: This game has pretty colors.

    • lurkalisk says:

      @former nigerian

      That’s my point. It’s not necessarily sexist.

      Really, the medium itself is not sexist unless it conveys some sexist idea (among which you cannot count “big boobs exist at times”). The creator may or may not be sexist, but whether their creation takes on that attribute depends entirely on what information said creation presents.

      People get way too weird about all this…

    • Ritashi says:

      Merely creating character models which look good is not sexist – obviously, that much is just an aesthetic style. It may not be realistic, but games are not in any way morally or otherwise obligated to be realistic. If the artist happens to find a certain stereotyped female build to be attractive, then that also is not inherently sexist. Some men (not all, mind you) like girls with big boobs. This is not a problem, it is merely personal preference. Combine the choice to make the majority of character models attractive with an art team that generally finds that particular female build attractive, and you’ll end up with a game full of big-breasted women wearing skimpy clothing. That is not inherently sexist, merely an expression of the honest opinions of the artists. It actually alienates a portion of the audience (both male and female) who don’t find that sort of thing attractive – unrealistic models and clothing don’t seem attractive to me at all, for example (I’m a straight white male, for the record). I much prefer realistic looking women wearing modest clothing – and I mean that in real life as much as in games.

      Sexism is discrimination against a particular gender, usually female though not exclusively (I’ll use the term “sexism” purely to refer to sexism against women from this point forward). Something which is sexist has to actually promote some sort of discrimination or objectification of women. Attractive models do not by themselves do that; artists are allowed to stylize everything and make characters attractive. The problem comes when there is some difference between how men and women are created or treated (lots of variety and realism in male characters while female ones all follow the same build, for example). Camera angles and focus are another way to end up like that, as it is quite easy to go from “look at this lineup of attractive characters” to “look at her boobs, they bounce!” There are also a lot of ways that a game which has any sort of plot or writing can be sexist, just like any other entertainment medium.

      In short, the fact that women in a game all have big boobs does not make that game sexist inherently. There have to be other factors at play, and there must be some sort of comparison between men and women in the game to come to a conclusion. The game may well be sexist, but simply looking at women in the game is not enough to come to a conclusion on that subject. A game may objectify women, but if it does the same thing to men then it’s not actually sexist, just weird.

    • derbefrier says:

      i wouldnt even play video games if they didnt have big boobies on thier female characters.

  2. The Tupper says:

    Imagine being the receptionist in the office: “Hello, Bluehole!”

  3. Chalky says:

    You have to admit that race lineup is pretty dodgy when seen side by side.

    • wccrawford says:

      You mean the Sprite, Dwarf, Ogre, Human, Human, Elf, Elf lineup? They’re all stolen from Tolkien, the same as every other fantasy MMO ever. The fact that the proportions of each one are similar is not a coincidence. There are hundreds of other games with the same lineup.

    • CMaster says:

      Tolkein himself was just working with old English/Norse/Germanic myths he’d researched.

    • lurkalisk says:

      And those myths were just ripped off from Æsir gods who though they could trust the Scandinavians with their intellectual property.

    • Chris D says:

      There are similiarties between fantasy games, sure, but this is a one for one correspondence with matching genders as well. I’d be surprised if you could find another game that does that as well.

    • Chalky says:

      Although I understand that the image used in the article is pretty poor quality, but:

      That first race is basically “a child”. You know, that common fantasy race of “child”? No, you don’t.
      The second one is some sort of miscellaneous tubby woodland creature. Hardly a classic.
      Big hulking humanoid thing, fair enough, that’s fairly standard.
      The middle one is some form of sexy demon thing with a tail. Classic fantasy? Maybe classic hentai, but it’s not exactly a playable race in every other game.
      The third is a big lizard man. Fairly cliche, I’ll grant, but still uncommon as a playable race.
      Then there’s a Human, fine
      And last is basically an Elf.

      So yeah, some common ones, but some extremely strange ones. And sure, I could buy independently coming up with a couple of these weird ideas, but coming up with every single one of them? And literally nothing else? And each race of the same sex? Get out of here.

    • sneetch says:


      The Greeks had the right idea; chain ’em to a rock and have eagles eat their livers every day, it’s the only language these IP infringers understand!


      English, Finnish, Irish, German, Greek, Norse, Persian, Saxon, Scottish, Slavic and Welsh myths to give a slightly more complete list, I’m sure he dipped into even other mythologies for inspiration as he built his own, his has become more or less the standard though I like when people deviate from it.

    • yoggesothothe says:

      Just tossing this out there (I don’t know anything about either game), but if the _number_ of classes/races match up that specifically (along with general aesthetic direction and gender [?]), that’s pretty hard to dismiss as “that’s how every fantasy game is”.

    • Burning Man says:

      Those two charts don’t look that alike to me. Aside from having similarly sized bodies in a neat row I really can’t spot the similarities. Besides, this doesn’t seem indicative of anything by itself, aside from increasing suspicion if true. The artist could have merely arranged them in the same way he did at his previous studio, and that’s hardly criminal.

    • sneetch says:

      @Burning Man

      They’re both black and white! How obvious does their plagarism have to be?!?!???!??!???!???/11/?!??!

      Oh wait, no, actually you’re right. I’d love if their defense was to simply reorganise the order of the list and go “now, is that different enough for you?” Or maybe point out that NCSoft’s dwarf “equivalent” is furry and has a tail.

    • Kdansky says:

      It’s 7 classes. That is the same range as all the other games with classes (from Battlefield to WoW) with their 6-10 classes at launch. Since they all use the same (BORING STUPID) holy trinity concept, the roles will also be standard:

      Cleric, Fighter, Wizard, Thief, Ranger are bog-standard. Add two more hybrids, you’re done.

      WoW has them, Lineage has them, EQ has them. Making the fighter big and lumbering isn’t unusual, nor are sleek elvish archers. I don’t think they copy from Lineage specifically, but rather they just stick with the average of averages.

    • Baines says:

      If NCsoft can win based on the character comparison, then maybe Square-Enix should sue NCsoft over stealing the Dragon Quest 1 map.

      Wait. I’m having trouble matching a couple of the low quality black and white race images with the images at the Tera website.

      From left to right:
      cat girl is the cat girl Elin
      dwarf-like guy is the badger thing in armor Popori
      hulking armored guy is the priest(?) giant Bakara
      slim heavily armed thing is the obviously female Castanic
      woman on right is the High Elf

      The two questions, though…
      The rightmost question looks like the human’s outfit, except using magic instead of holding a giant sword.
      That would mean the leftmost question would be the Aman, except the Aman looks nothing like the remaining B&W character. The Aman is a slim demon guy, while the remaining B&W character looks like a hulking character in a kind of robe.

  4. Dowson says:

    I hope NCsoft don’t Tera Bluehole apart in this lawsuit.

    • Wild_Marker says:

      I’m sure their lawyers will find a “bluephole”

    • tungstenHead says:

      It’d be a bit TERAble, but if the accusations hold up in court, I’d agree with being Not Completely Soft on them.

      (I am a bit interested in TERA though, to be honest.)

    • Suits says:

      It looks inTERAsting alright, but if you’re going to sue Bluehole it should be because of the bad name ;)

    • Blackcompany says:

      Have to just wait NC how this all turns out I guess.

    • brulleks says:

      Sounds like NCSoft just blue this argument out of their hole.

    • Phantoon says:

      These puns are terable.

    • Demonbooker says:

      Turable, Just Turable

  5. Wild_Marker says:

    Even a 1 month delay will be a huge victory for NCSoft. Remember, the Guild Wars 2 beta is supposed to come out close to the US release of TERA. Maybe they’re just stalling them so that we all get to try GW before TERA gets released and go “oh well, I’ll just wait for GW, no need for this thing”

    Just sayin’…

    • Demonbooker says:

      That is actually a good point. While NCSoft may have a legitimate case against them (And though I got kinda tired of the TERA hype, I am still interested to see how TERA pans out, and hope NCSoft is blowing smoke), they may just be happy with a 1-2 month delay. It’s more than a bit douchey to approach it that way, but would be no less effective for it.

  6. sneetch says:

    Ladies. Be prepared! A call to action.

    While adventuring be it in the wilds, in old ruins, deep underground, or in magical realms where dangerous energies abound it’s important to wear hot pants and anti-gravity tops! Don’t worry about the cold, don’t worry about jagged rocks, don’t worry about thorns, don’t worry about weapons, your hot pants and anti-gravity tops will protect you!

    • ericks says:

      Yes, we know. It’s not realistic, but complaining about it is futile.

    • paterah says:

      This is becoming just as bad as the knee joke. Let it go.

    • sneetch says:


      I hadn’t realised that the Council of Internet Elders had made the decision that it wasn’t ok to mention the impracticality of armour on female MMO characters yet. You’d think they’d update their website. :P

    • Shuck says:

      Forget it, Jake sneetch. It’s Chinatown Korea.

    • paterah says:

      It wasn’t an easy decision.

  7. Belsameth says:

    It could be worse. They could’ve picked a different colour…

  8. lhzr says:

    “Bluehole, continuing its competitive war against its rival, has now threatened to open a new and potentially enormous front, namely, the United States”

    Hah, sounds like they got their script writers to take care of their legal papers too.

  9. Tei says:

    Blizzard is built over intelectual property piracy. Warcraft is not more than dune2, with orcs. Is not better than zynga! /sarcasm

    • sneetch says:

      And they stole orcs from Games Workshop who invented orcs! And warhammers. And war. And numbers above 39,999.

    • Dances to Podcasts says:

      One day the entire fantasy genre will disappear into a black hole of lawsuits.

  10. CKScientist says:

    I can tell an article written by John so easily when he switches into investigative journalism mode. It’s something about the particular style of writing in the first 5 paragraphs here, or maybe the subject of the article.

    • John Walker says:

      Or my name at the top?

    • Chris D says:

      That’s why John is a top investigative reporter and we’re not.

    • mentor07825 says:

      Like a bouss

    • CKScientist says:

      It’s more fun to blank out the name and guess the author by writing style.

    • Hmm-Hmm. says:

      CK: we had a ‘guess the RPS member’ thing a while back. I was pretty awful at it (but I still love you guys!).

    • SuperNashwanPower says:

      Is there not one of the RPS crew who gets angry over boobs? There was one thing tipped me off in this article that it couldnt be that one (sorry cant remember name. Is it Alec? Boobie activism guy. Boobtivist)

  11. GallonOfAlan says:


  12. mihor_fego says:

    If assets and code was taken with the group leaving NCSoft, the courts are gonna rip them a new Bluehole. The rest of the claims that NCSoft make are hollow though: releasing an acclaimed product and crippling them? That’s got nothing to do with any real legal case.

    If there’s no such proof of stolen data though, similarities to generic concepts like race descriptions, climate zones on a map and a supposed combat system that isn’t developed don’t mean anything. As for the experience with working on the MMORPG genre and a fantasy setting generally, these are not things any contract can force people to not carry along, unless they signed to never work on such a game again.

    By the way, is Lineage still going? I imagined that monstrosity had died years ago…

  13. Blackcompany says:

    These claims seem rather dubious. I mean, a beast race? Scantily clad females with swords? So…once you go after Bluehole, are you also going to file suit against, I don’t know. every other MMO dev team on the planet?
    Just wondering, since that would be consistent with your claims of infringement.
    Now I know, these guys used to work for NCSoft. I got that, I really did. But to claim that “Tera is killing sales of my decade old projects” seems a little…exaggerated. I mean, maybe their being decades old is killing sale of your decades old projects.

  14. Swanny says:

    Wow- NCSoft is really being a bag of dicks here.

    First, they wait till last minute to file, knowing that launch is an absolutely critical time for an MMO. Why didn’t they file suit earlier? Unless significant amounts of assets were stolen, which i personally doubt, due to the overly-dramatic nature of the claims NCSoft is making. It looks to me like the only goal here is getting a judge to put a month or two delay on TERA.

    It’s just appallingly childish to me. Not to mention anti-competitive.

    • MountainShouter says:

      And even then, hasn’t TERA already been *officially* released in Korea? Why would they try to stop a release now of all times? Doesn’t this just mean that their efforts in overseas court hasn’t been going all that well (I know NCSoft has been on their case ever since the game was announced).

  15. bigdeadbug says:

    I still don’t understand how TERA was even released if their claims are correct. Would the project not have been stopped or at least put on hold if NCsoft had evidence that was deemed strong enough? I get the impression that they may have some basis for complaint but nothing strong enough to do anything more than whine.

  16. JackShandy says:

    You shouldn’t be able to sue someone for copying your game. Otherwise Doom would never have become a genre.

    That said, when this stuff happens to lovely folks like Vlambeer I can’t stop raging about it. So, I don’t know what the solution is.

    • Craig Stern says:

      Copyright law strikes a balance here: you can protect creative works of authorship in a fixed medium, but you cannot protect ideas. So you can copy the idea of Doom, you can try to mimic its mechanics and game feel–but if you copy actual code or actual assets, you’re asking for a lawsuit. So Doom can spawn a genre (which is based on gameplay ideas), but you can’t go and rip assets out of the game and start selling Doom V: Jack Shandy’s Revenge.

      I have misgivings about it sometimes–I worry that there’s just a little too much leeway for developers to clone each other’s games while changing nothing other than the assets (see e.g. link to ). And at the same time, it gives greater protection to graphics than it does the core of what makes a game a game. You can reskin a game and change all the assets and it will remain the same game, but copyright law won’t touch the issue at that point.

      On the other hand, if we started extending protection to game mechanics or game feel, that’s bound to have a chilling effect on the development of games that take an established formula and introduce minor innovations. I think copyright law strikes a defensible balance here, even if it isn’t necessarily the best one.

  17. mondomau says:

    A lot of people are missing the point here – regardless of veracity of the claims, the basis of the case will not be on whether they have copied Lineage, but that they have used assets and designs that were created while the developers still worked for NC Soft.
    Most, if not all, industry contracts will have a clause that states that any and all products worked on by any employee during their time of employment remain the property of the employer (in some cases, it even extends to stuff you do in your spare time).

    Therefore, if (big if!) NC Soft can prove that these TERA assets and designs are the same (or sufficiently similar) as the ones supposedly developed for Lineage III while the devs worked on it, they may have a case.

  18. ericks says:

    Sounds like some guys had some great ideas while working at a company and left to work on the ideas themselves. It would be “technically” NCSoft’s property, but waiting until a game has a release date in another country and then having them put it on hold is incredibly duchey.

    I’m not touching NCsoft again. They’re only hurting their audience at this point.

    • Lord of the Fungi says:

      Well, working for NCSoft (or any other company, really) on quite specific project, then leaving in the middle and starting, almost immediately, work on a project of your own that practically mirrors the one you have been working for the company you quit, is just asking for a lawsuit. Of course, it’ll be bad PR for NCSoft if they don’t have proper proof, but I am not surprised that they are going that way.

    • ericks says:

      I don’t know the story behind it, but one guy was fired and half the team followed him out. Then they went and continued to do what they knew how to do: Make MMOs. Just because they had the same sort of races (the same races every high fantasy game has) with the same combat NCsoft wanted to do (which they have said they were going to do for years and years and never delivered) doesn’t really prove anything.

      I actually haven’t heard anything of L3 other than this, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see how similar they really are. This honestly just sounds like NCsoft wants to hold the TERA release back long enough so GW2 gets some of their fans though.

  19. Craig Stern says:

    “48 of the 100+ Lineage 3 team followed him out.”


  20. ThaneSolus says:

    cmon, i was curious about the combat, since the rest might be too “grindy”. NC Soft without ArenaNet would be like a Sony, homeless and clueless on the west market.

  21. TormDK says:

    Lets not argue about who stole from who!

    What matters is the bouncy elf boobies!

  22. MooseOfDoom23 says:

    Oh god, this sucks! I mean, it sucks about the whole stolen property thing, but it ALSO sucks that I may not be able to play this game.
    I guess I’ll still have Bungie’s MMO, though.

  23. frame says:

    I’d pay extra to get properly dressed females. So sick of this half naked stuff.

    Deluxe Edition: 25% more cloth!

  24. Smol says:

    While I don’t really care about the copyright issue, shit like this or this is just incredibly creepy.

    “No no no, they are grown-ups in reality, they just happen to look like overtly sexualized 9-year-olds.”

  25. spentzar says:

    It is very important to note that the TERA characters are NOWHERE NEAR TO SCALE as presented by NCSoft. This is done so to skew the reality.

    The big round guy? He’s so big the second tallest race can only reach his belly. The sexy demonic race? about the size as the little girls. The elves? Much taller than the humans, by at least two heads. The humans are very muscular in nature, similar to WoW’s humans almost.

  26. lobstilops says:

    Seems like a bit of a wild claim that sales decreased because of this.

    But I mean stealing is stealing. I just hope this gets sorted out.

    Kind of looked like a cool game too.

    Back to waiting for Guild Wars 2 :(

  27. Cryo says:

    NCSoft is just trying to recoup money they’ve lost to Lord British.

    But seriously, they are dicks. It’s too bad ArenaNet is tied to them.

  28. Foosnark says:

    “a true political system that allows a player to become a rule through election, as an alternative to the traditional method of combat.”

    I would be surprised if there was ever a meeting of brainstorming game designers slapping down ideas for their next MMO that didn’t include this. I know Simutronics was talking about doing that in the previous millennium.