Kickstarter Katchup – 1st September 2012

Wow, very busy winner and loser columns this week. Quite the clear-out for the column, really. And talking of which, in order to stop this becoming too unwieldy, we’re being a a bit more selective in what goes in. It’ll still be an eclectic mix of big and tiny budgets, but when a project is clearly doomed (like David Crane’s Jungle Adventure, for instance), we’re not going to chronicle its week-by-week crawl to failure. Of course we’re very aware that lots of projects look shaky, then pick up at the end – we’re really talking about only those that just flat-out aren’t getting funded. Don’t forget to read the rules before opening your wallets and purses.

The Rules

  • Featuring a game in this list doesn’t mean we endorse it. We likely haven’t played, and as such can’t say whether it will be worth your cash. That’s your call.
  • Letting me know about a game (which you can do via my name above) doesn’t mean it will definitely be included. Leaving links in the comments is a good way to let other readers know about projects, but please email me if you want them considered for the list.
  • We only include games where pledges reach developers if the target is met.
  • Projects that have reached their funding get included in the Winners list, and then aren’t featured after that, to give more attention to those that are still needing the cash.
  • Can those with blue wristbands please leave the Katchup.

The Winners

Planetary Annihilation – Uber Entertainment

One of the biggest targets we’ve seen at $900,000, and it’s already well over it at $1.05m. And there are two weeks to go. They’ve shown that RPS readers had pledged over $30,000 by the 24th August, you enthusiastic lot. And now they’re stretching up to $1.5m. (Actually, they’re doing it exactly right, and only revealing stretch goals as their targets look more realistic. They look like they could eventually ask as high as $2m.)

Project Giana – Black Forest Games

Another one of those Disney endings, as a project that looked like it was going to narrowly miss its hefty $150,000 goal ended up with a mammoth $186,159.

Knock-Knock – Ice-Pick Lodge

It was inexplicably slow, but it got there. Now just over their $30,000 target, the brilliant Russian developers still have 10 days left to improve on the total.

Dominique Pamplemousse – Deidra Kiai

It doubled its pledges in the final week, meaning this deeply strange adventure is funded.

Resurrect ADOM – Thomas Biskup

Looks like people want to see development of the rogue-like start again – the $48,000 goal was nearly doubled.

Pluck – BenLap

Only asking for a teeny $300, it’s currently almost three times that, with nearly three weeks still to go.

Mercenary Kings – Tribute Games

I’ve never seen a game exactly on its target before, but my first glance at Mercenary Kings this morning saw it saying $75,000 out of $75,000. Of course someone’s spoiled it now by adding another $60.

GaymerCon – GaymerCon

I wish I’d heard of this one while it was still going, but I’m pleased to report that a project aiming to create a gaming con primarily aimed at LGBT gamers (or “gaymers” as they’re brilliantly adopting) has been very successful. They were after $25k and they almost quadrupled it. The convention will take place August next year, of COURSE in San Francisco, and is naturally open to straight gamers too.

The Losers

The Other Brothers – 3D Attack.

Rack n Ruin – Tyler Hunter

Shadow Remnants – Shorebound Studios

Kickstarter Indie Bundle – Kickstarter Indies

Eternal Fate – Escalation Studios

The Players

Broken Sword: The Serpent’s Curse – Revolution Software

Goal: $400,000
Now: $346,507
Days: 21

Charles Cecil’s fund-drive for a fifth Broken Sword is looking a touch successful. After just over a week it’s only shy of its goal by about $50k. That’s looking incredibly likely at this point, with even the traditionally slow period seeing about $15k added a day. Stretch goals will only be added once the target is met, but thankfully they’re hinting that they’ll be to make a bigger, longer game, rather than making the huge mistake of adding Kickstarter pledger exclusives.

SolForge – Gary Games

Goal: $250,000
Now: $182,584
Days: 9

The Ascension and Magic: The Gathering peeps are looking to make a new, digital CCG, and for some reason it hasn’t been instantly funded. In fact, with just over a week left, they still need $70k.

Flight Of The Wisp – Shane Barber

Goal: $10,000
Now: $2,973
Days: 4

Oh boy, only $200 added in the last week – this isn’t looking good. However, they apparently couldn’t give a shit, since they’ve still not updated their page since the 10th August. Accordingly, people have ignored it.

Evilot – Syrenaica

Goal: $10,000
Now: $7,651
Days: 13

Chilean developers Syrenaica are developing a puzzle tower defence game that is unavoidably similar looking to Plants Vs. Zombies, but seems to be twisting things by adding puzzle elements to play. $10 gets you the game on your chosen format, maybe by Jan next year. A couple of k has appeared in the last week, but they need a last minute surge to reach their modest goal.

Insurgency 2 – New World Interactive

Goal: $180,000
Now: $64,456
Days: 6

It’s been with us forever, but it still can’t find its money. A healthy $5k was added this week, but this sequel to one of the most popular mods ever is still only a third of the way there. And that’s despite Total Biscuit spending 40 minutes with it:

Two Brothers – Brian Allanson

Goal: $6,000
Now: $3,682
Days: 26

Apparently nostalgia is a genre now. But this rather cute Gameboy-inspired RPG is about two brothers searching for colour. That’s a great idea. They’re only after a small amount, but rather concerningly their breakdown fails to take into account Kickstarter and Amazon fees. Tsk.

Expeditions – Conquistador – Logic Artists

Goal: $70,000
Now: $52,039
Days: 11

Oh this poor project – won’t people just hurry up and fund it? They’ve made another $7k this week, after $18k the week before, and still they’re $18k short of their goal. It’s hexagons and strategy, and they’ve just added themselves to Steam’s Greenlight.

Conclave – 10×10 Room

Goal: $75,000
Now: $15,960
Days: 21

An RPG inspired by table-top gaming, designed to be played asynchronously from browsers. Let’s just forgive them for saying “webtop game”.

Island Forge – Potential Games

Goal: $4,000
Now: $2,030
Days: 12

Finally this project is coming alive. $1,500 has appeared in the last week, and with almost two to go the very modest goal looks reachable. The idea is to tell your own tales within the game for other people to experience. The game already exists, with player islands available to see. He’s only after $4k, and pledges will unlock an account for the game to the full version for various lengths.

The Epic Space Game – Edward Melville

Goal: $20,000
Now: $2,459
Days: 20

A top-down 2D shooter, that’s also a sandbox MMO, and space trading game. It’s after quite a big goal for a small, one-man project, but the last week has seen $2,000 pour in, and there’s plenty of time left.

Armada Online – MarkandRoger

Goal: $180,000
Now: $3,770
Days: 22

You’d think if you were going to all the effort to create a really impressively looking space combat game, you’d work a bit harder at picking a developer name. But anyway, this is a pretty unknown project aiming for what is sadly probably a silly goal. There’s three weeks to prove me wrong.

Fields Of Fresh – Pawbyte

Goal: $15,000
Now: $2,001
Days: 6

Only a thousand appearing this week, making the full goal look tough with under a week left. It’s 21st century farming! Or as the KS page says, “A true Epic RPG about a group of farmers”. Clearly made to fill the gap left by the lack of Harvest Moon releases.

Harmonia – Baroque Studios

Goal: $15,000
Now: $2,554
Days: 7

In a similar situation, the same goal, the same amount added in a week, and the same time left. Aiming to be a very moddable online tactical RPG, the game will come with all the tools to create your own content for the game. So once you’re done with the official game, you can play other people’s creations.

Deozoa: Legends Of Eden – Ignis Studios

Goal: $78,000
Now: $9,816
Days: 25

$78k is a hefty chunk of digital change, but in early days it’s already made 10 of them. It’s a monster catching RPG that bears an uncanny similarity to Pokemon. Except this isn’t one-on-one battles, but instead slightly more complicated combat. But, you know, Pokemon. They’re after money to pay artists to animate the monsters.

And Another Thing

Kick Assist

Magic Pixel Games have created a project called Kick Assist. Each week three indie Kickstarters (with goals under $100k) are picked, and then people vote on them. The one that wins gets $500 from Magic Pixel, and obviously some promotion (and indeed for themselves), and then the process starts over. Which seems a rather nice idea.


  1. Spengbab says:

    Haha oh wow. Wait, no, its meant to be a snarky “oh wow”. After watching the Deozoa: Legends Of Eden stuff. Creativity isnt that important to be succesful, but these guys are taking it too far. Wonder what Nintendo’s (or whoever made the pokeyman games) reaction is going to be. Dont think the 3vs3 system is going to blind anyone to the 3 stages of evolution, 100+ monsters and fake (American) anime style.

    Also, nothing in this katchup makes me go “ooooh”. We’ve already got Planetary Annihilation and Defense Grid (ethically questionable, but ehhh) incoming. Where’s Homeworld 3 (Or spiritual succesor, with the licensing et al)?

    • Ksempac says:

      First, Deozoa is not the first monster catching game that is similar to Pokemon, and others games like this are even closer to a Pokemon clone than this one. Nobody got sued, because “having monster that fights and evolve” is as generic as “game where you shoot people from a first person view in a modern and realist setting”.

      Second, it’s past time that someone does something new with that genre. Pokemon has a lot of unexploited potential but they keep releasing the same game over and over (8 badges to get + 4 big bosses and not much difficulty).
      There could be lot of things to add such as different terrains, move, distance of attack, etc… Thoses things are barely touched by some Pokemon’s abilities, but they could be a whole part of the gameplay.
      Nintendo made the choices to keep their winning formula, to aim for a children audience rather than a competitive, more adult crowd. It’s their choice, and it does provide them buckets of money for them (thanks to a new audience every 3-5 years), but as a past Pokemon’s fan I would really enjoy a parallel game aimed to a more competitive/adult market (Pokemon stadium was a good example, it was much harder than the base game, especially with rented Pokemon).

      I’m not saying Deozoa is the game that will be able to do this (I first heard about them in this article), but I’m saying there is definitely room for more games in this genre.

      • InternetBatman says:

        If you want to try a different take on the genre, try whatever the new Megaman Battlenet game is. It’s a little sexist (women strongly conform to stereotypical gender roles) and the plots frequently make no sense when the series is taken as a whole (why is the main character an unknown when he’s saved the world 80 bajillion times?). It has a great battle system though, an absolutely wonderful mix of deck building, difficult terrain, creature catching (and breeding), and real time combat. I highly, highly recommend it for the system alone.

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  2. Imbecile says:

    Well I’m glad to see that Broken Sword is doing well at least.

    I may as well do my final plug for the non computer game, card game kickstarter for Shadowfist, and no it doesnt tie into the LGBT gamer kickstarter ;P

    Its only got 3hours to go, and its well over its base amount, but if you like good ccgs in the vein on MTG then its worth a look, especially with many of the stretch goals reached.

    link to

  3. Magnusm1 says:

    You seem to overestimate the popularity of Insurgency. And Insurgency 2 looks very generic.

    • Unaco says:

      I’m a bit confused about John’s statements on Insurgency. Last 2 weeks in this feature he’s stated it’s “one of the most popular mods ever”. Really? Doesn’t exactly spring to mind when I think of popular mods… Not like TeamFortress or ChaosDM or Counterstrike or DOTA or Garry’sMod or DayZ or Natural Selection or Red Orchestra or Day of Defeat or Dear Esther or even the Duct Tape mod for Doom3.

      I honestly cannot recall Insurgency being that popular… it had a steady playerbase, but nothing huge. Which is possibly one of the reasons that it’s not having that much success with KS. Surely, if it was one of the most popular mods ever, it would be getting the pledges easily.

    • Caiman says:

      It has some interesting ideas built on an overly familiar shell, but it’s aimed at a particular audience who isn’t tired of this kind of thing, and there don’t appear to be enough of those left to fund the kickstarter.

    • Zhukov says:

      Yeah, It had a decent playerbase for a little while but nothing groundbreaking.

      The mod initially impressed me yet turned out to be just a more-hardcore version of CS or COD.

      There was quite a lot of development drama as well. Argyll, who started the mod ended up basically disowning it and criticized the “opportunists” who took it over and are behind the average looking sequel.

      Argyll’s Blog:

  4. JackDandy says:

    The Gaymercon idea sounds really dumb to me.

    • pakoito says:

      So it’s like any other con but…no “but” really, like any other con where everyone can attend and central theme is videogames. I don’t understand why some gay communities keep insisting on standing out or diferenciating themselves from the rest.

      • ReV_VAdAUL says:

        For a lot of gamers accusations of homosexuality are the favoured way to insult other players. Given that is the case, can you not understand why gay people might want to attend a convention with much lower chance that a very important part of who they are wont be used as an insult or generally derogatory term?

      • ffordesoon says:

        Yes, it’s like any other con. Which begs the question: do you also get mad when car enthusiasts have conventions? Does it annoy you that they like to get together and squee over cars, instead of running around in public screeching in happiness at each other about the horsepower of different kinds of muscle cars?

        Or do you act like most people who aren’t extremely into cars, and never give it a second thought after you learn of its existence?

        Or are you into cars, to the point that you go to car conventions? And if so, by your own logic, aren’t you “segregating yourself” from people who don’t care about cars every time you go to a car convention? And if you’re not, then why do you think LGBT people are?

        Not to put too fine a point on it, but sometimes, you really do wanna go where everybody knows your name, where they’re always glad you came. You wanna be where you can see your troubles are all the same. You wanna go where everybody knows your name.

        Doo, dooby-dooby doot doo. Pling… ;)

        Why, yes, that is the silliest thing I’ve ever done in the entirety of my time as an RPS commenter. But you see my point.

    • lordcooper says:

      Agreed. Even the whole gay bar thing creeps me out a fair bit. Self enforced segregation is a silly thing.

      • eks says:

        Is that a joke?

        If you are serious, that’s a strong case that you may actually be retarded. You should go see a specialist to make sure.

      • ReV_VAdAUL says:

        You do realise that all conventions are self segregating right? Like a car industry convention doesn’t generally devote any space to horse riding enthusiasts, E3 doesn’t devote time or space to the films industry and so on.

        Why is the specific focus of this convention creepy for you?

        • lordcooper says:

          Apples and zebras. I see it as more akin to a car show specifically for straight people, or a film festival specifically for white folks. See why I find it a little creepy?

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            Hodge says:

            But it’s not. The Gaymer convention isn’t excluding anyone. It’s no more ‘creepy’ than a meet-up for carriage typewriter enthusiasts.

          • Vander says:

            Yeah, except they don’t refuse straight people to go, so its not really like the examples you mention, where the examples you mention, where people not targeted by the “theme” will not be welcomed at all.

            But i do found the idea a little sad.Perhaps because i came from Belgium, where gay mariage is legal, and our prime minister is gay, and nearly nobody give a shit.

          • lordcooper says:

            Sure. I just think a lot of people would have an issue with a gamers convention being labelled as being specifically for white/male/straight people, whether or not it allowed other folks to attend. And if it’s not just for LGBT people (which it isn’t) why label it as such in the first place?

          • blind_boy_grunt says:

            booth babes, my friend. Gaming conventions are already aimed at us. It’s not even a bad thing because most gamers(and guys who make games) actually are white/male/middleclass (citation needed). This is a convention for lgbt people. Get over it.

          • BAshment says:

            I think it seems strange for people because they don’t know what gay culture is (me included) and why it some how gives you a different point of view. It seems to me the same as labelling things as “black culture” I’m not refuting that there is a gay scene but i don’t understand why your sexual preference is linked with your taste in games.
            Of course this is just my own view point and if someone can explain it to me I would be happy to listen.

          • StickyNavels says:

            Most gaming conventions do cater specifically to the white heterosexual male (WHM). This isn’t necessarily the result of a conscious effort – it doesn’t have to be, since WHM is the fucking norm. Mostly everything in Western society is constructed and maintained with the WHM archetype in mind.

            WHM doesn’t have to read any labels. However, people who aren’t WHM can’t afford not to. GaymerCon is definately a Good Thing.

          • Consumatopia says:

            A straight version wouldn’t make sense–a safe place for straight gamers and their gay friends. Is anyone even alleging that gaming culture is somehow harassing or disrespecting straights for being straight? I believe the standard right-wing tu quoque move here is that gay rights activists are disrespecting religious believers, not all straights. There seem to be a number of Christian gaming organizations and websites, and I have no problem with them.

      • sinister agent says:

        When there are no longer people in every country who will kill someone else simply for being gay, you might have a good point. Until then, I really don’t think it’s fair to bedgrudge gay people their own safe places where they don’t have to put up with all the bullshit.

        • Caiman says:

          The fact that gay-focused events like this need to exist at all is a sad reflection of the intolerant state of the society in which they are held. As someone else mentioned earlier, those countries who have no problem with gay people don’t need to draw attention to the fact they have gay people, but in the US it seems such things are still necessary. Of course the US is hardly what I’d call culturally progressive these days.

        • Gap Gen says:

          Also, note that one of the roles of gay bars is to find people to hook up with, given that hitting on people in a random bar will give you a 90% chance of failure purely on the basis of sexuality, gaydar notwithstanding. Then again, as people have pointed out, this is true of any special-interest event, bringing together like-minded people who as a side-effect are more likely to be compatible.

      • AngoraFish says:

        I’m guessing you’re not gay.

        • lordcooper says:

          Pansexual actually :p

          E: Not that it should matter whatsoever.

    • caddyB says:

      It’s not only for the gay people, but since internet is even harder on the gay people than it is on girls, I can see why they might want to make a special con where their community can have fun without being persecuted.

      • ffordesoon says:

        Your heart’s obviously in the right place, but can you please not call them “the gay people?”

        It kinda makes LGBT folk sound like space creatures or sewer mutants, you know?

        Sorry to get on you for that, but it’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine.

      • beekay says:

        Really? The internet is hard on gay people?

        When was the last time you saw someone talking about “disgusting queers” and getting a good response, apart from on niche sites which cater to that sort of cultural detritus? It’s almost like racism. The only time you’ll see that being applauded is on Stormfront.

        Yeah, “fag” is a common insult, but it’s a long way from “I hear the word fag a lot” to “this is the new holocaust.” I can’t think of any place on earth which is friendlier to gay people than the internet.

        • JohnS says:

          Uh, yea, things can be hard on gay people without it being a holocaust… how long have you been on the internet again?

          • beekay says:

            Are you aware of the existence of hyperbolic language, or did you think I actually interpreted his post as saying there was a gay internet holocaust?

          • Muzman says:

            For there to be a gay internet holocaust doesn’t there need to be a gay internet?
            That would be interesting. It wouldn’t be able to use ADSL since on the gay internet everything can technically go both ways.

    • CalleX says:

      I agree. Seems silly and I cant understand either why gays want to stand out. Same thing with pride. Keep it to your bedrooms.

      • blind_boy_grunt says:

        dude comments like yours are the very reason why i think gay pride is still a good idea. It’s ok for them to be gay as long as you don’t have to see or hear them? growing up gay and coming out is still difficult enough. I think to see it being celebrated is a big help. Even if its silly.

        • CalleX says:

          So youre saying just because youre gay means you should shove it up the face on everyone else? Ok.

        • alundra says:

          The pride parade a good idea?? fuck no, I’m bi, and I don’t understand why the lgbt community feels it’s a good idea to scrub that shit into everybody’s face, above all else, keep that tasteless thing away from children, while you are at it, carry yourself with dignity and self respect, you’d be surprised how easy it’s to get respect from others when you respect yourself in the first place.

          Needing somebody else’s approval to feel better about yourself is pathetic enough, attempting to force that approval is a deranged show of selfishness.

          • StickyNavels says:

            Pride is anything but an attempt to “force an approval”. It’s a protest, it’s a statement, it’s a chance to say “fuck you” to trying and failing again and again at getting “approval” according to the established rules – the rules that say you’re only a respectable faggot if you a) act the part or b) keep your sexuality in the dark.

        • blind_boy_grunt says:

          i’m not even sure what we are talking about now. The camp thing bothers you? Or the whole thing in general. And what approval? i always thought the thing was “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it”. So you know taking pride in what you are, instead of asking for permission or approval.
          It’s legal right? so the lgbt-community can do whatever the fuck they want, even without your stamp of approval. Shocker i know.
          And the “won’t someone think of the children” thing is just too stupid to acknowledge.
          edit: ever watched a romantic movie with your parents? And than the people started kissing, and taking their cloth of, and the scene would go on forever? But watching it with someone else it would have hardly registered? i think something like this is happening here. You just notice it more because of your discomfort. It’s not “their” problem it’s yours.

      • AngoraFish says:

        I’m not gay, but I’d be interested to attend a convention where I didn’t have to put up with neanderthal attitudes like this.

      • Kaira- says:

        I have a little tip for you if this con bothers you.

        LOOK THE OTHER WAY. It’s not hard.

        • CalleX says:

          Tell me then, how do i look the other way when Pride comes to town? When they take over the streets and dress in homoerotic clothes. but I guess you think its very OK for them to do that in front of, say children?

          I dont understand why its necessary to show the world you are gay? Just be it and keep your sexuality to yourself just as normal people being hetero does.

          • Muzman says:

            You really think you don’t see hetero stuff all day every day?
            I’m not suggesting there should be equal time or anything, but hetero stuff is not just ‘kept in the bedroom’.
            It’s no real surprise homosexuals had to assert themselves into the landscape from time to time.

          • alundra says:

            I highly resent that “normal people” remark, there is no “normal” when it comes to human sexuality, you fall into that category too.

            The rest, you are right, but you are making one fucking piss poor job at getting your message across.

          • StickyNavels says:

            Except heterosexuality is flaunted everywhere. Literally everywhere! If I take a walk down a few blocks in my city I’ll have heterosexuality thrown at me from every corner; from sexualized ads, music, clothes, people kissing, hugging, caressing, speaking…

            Do you really think your children are traumatized by the Pride festival? If anything it’s probably a fairly incomprehensible affair to them. Maybe even an entertaining one. And maybe channeling your prejudices through your children is causing far more damage than people expressing themselves (in “homoerotic clothes”!) for a short while once a year.

          • alundra says:

            @ StickyNavels

            All the exhibitionists and pedophiles that are in jail would like to have your testimony in court about nudity and children.

            Could you please help them?? You really seem to be believe the fecal matter flowing out of your mouth.

          • StickyNavels says:


            English isn’t my first language. I suppose there’s been a misunderstanding at some end. Could you please clarify your response?

            “All the exhibitionists and pedophiles that are in jail would like to have your testimony in court about nudity and children”

            I can’t comprehend what you’re writing here. What testimony did I make about nudity and children? What does the Pride festival have to do with pedophiles?

            EDIT:: And yes, I generally believe what I’m writing. I *do* doubt children are somehow traumatized by the Pride festival. I *do not* doubt that children can be traumatized by a narrow-minded and homophobic upbringing.

          • alundra says:

            @ StickyNavels

            Even more crap, buddy you seem to be so much into SCAT, why don’t you make a kickstarter for a convention ???

          • StickyNavels says:


            Okey-dokey. Glad that’s all sorted out.

          • blind_boy_grunt says:

            oh god, please, go on. Explain what you ment, what connection you soooo sneakily tried to establish but are now too chicken shit to say out loud.
            And do you get so riled up when you see kids in public swimming pools/baths, getting exposed to the horrors of the human body. Because some of that really is disgusting.
            Hmm, i think this was enough white knighting on this topic from me. were can i collect my gay dude? it works like that, right? right??? ah, crap.

    • Unaco says:

      My issue with it is that it’s a pretty predictable, and pretty poor pun for the title. Aside from that, no problems at all.

    • Utnac says:

      Couldn’t agree more, someone please show me any evidence of the LGBT community being persecuted at gaming conventions? I’m aware of none what so ever, which renders this convention a massive waste of time.

      • Unaco says:

        It’s not about persecution at ‘normal’ Conventions. It’s about how the Convention and the presentations are focussed. ‘Normal’ conventions are focussed towards the majority… the straight, white, male gamer. Gay, or whatever, gamers can go to these conventions, but nothing is focussed towards them, specifically.

        This Convention would be focussed towards those gamers.

        It might seem like a waste of time to you… you don’t have to attend though. You can simply ignore it, and not waste your time on it. But it’s (probably) not going to be a waste of time to the people that are asking for something like this, and will attend it.

        • JackDandy says:

          Didn’t conventions stop having “booth babes” some years back, due to it not being PC enough or whatever?

      • Saul Bottcher says:

        Don’t attend it then?

      • AngoraFish says:

        The frequency with which ‘gay’ is thrown around as an insult any time someone wants to insult you in online multiplayer games should be evidence enough. The fact that you desperately felt the need to log in comment on how this isn’t a valid reason for a gaming convention is more evidence.

      • ffordesoon says:


        So because you’re not aware of persecution, no persecution exists?


        Because you’re so plugged into the LGBT community that I’m sure you know about every single case of persecution ever, including the ones that aren’t reported due to those in authority being unsympathetic, right? No instances of persecution get past you!


        And by the way, it’s not only about active persecution. Sometimes, it’s about giving people with shared interests the chance to go to a place where they can be among like-minded people and discuss their interests openly without having to account for people who aren’t into the same things. You know, like EVERY CONVENTION EVER?

        If you don’t think Dragon*Con and Anime Expo are pointless, you have no right to think this is pointless. Period.

        • Mollusc Infestation says:

          THIS! People keep on talking about segregation. I think this is pretty much the opposite of segregation, when a disperse group of people get together to rejoice in any number of common values or shared qualities. Consolidation is not equivalent to segregation.

    • Universal Quitter says:

      This entire comment thread is a perfect example of why human sexuality is so controversial. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable, which leads to gas pockets in the brain, which then exit the mouth or fingertips as moronic comments.

      When I was in my teens, I sometimes cruelly laughed at (campy) gay people, but now that I’m a grown up I realize it’s particularly ignorant straight people that need to be mocked and laughed at.

      I think it’s already been pointed out, but for an allegedly straight person to go out of their way to log in and comment on something, something that really has no bearing on them in any way shape or form, well, it’s baffling behavior.

      • Gap Gen says:

        I realise now that I just hate conservatism. If someone can’t tell you why something is wrong without appealing to tradition, it’s not wrong.

        • Berzee says:

          Morality is dependent on how good people are at explaining it?
          Duly noted.

          • Kaira- says:

            If you can’t back up your opinion, it’s worth next to nothing.

          • Berzee says:

            I guess it doesn’t matter what he said anyway. It’s in the past — tradition, by now =)

          • Bobka says:

            Try instead: If the only way you can support your point is by employing logical fallacies, nobody has any business taking your point seriously.

          • Gap Gen says:

            Well, to clarify, I’m a liberal. I believe that everyone has certain rights (and hence responsibilities, natch). Trying to impose your own codified morality on people (not allowed to listen to music! not allowed to eat seafood! not allowed to kiss people of the same sex! women doing things that men do is scandalous!) I believe to be harmful to society, and often evil. I’ve had people do some quite nasty things to my family because they believed that it was the right thing to do in their own moral code.

            I agree that no system of morality has a perfect answer for everything (utilitarianism attempts this but has massive problems, for example), but I believe that a codified system of morality from thousands of years ago is probably going to be out of date, and unquestioning adherence to it will probably hurt people in certain situations.

          • AngoraFish says:


          • Berzee says:

            That’s true…kissing is probably a lot different now than it was thousands of years ago.

            With all of our technological advances in Lips.

          • InternetBatman says:

            Morality is a construct that generally requires interaction between more than one living being, and is taught to young people as they grow up, so yes, a system of morality is only valid if it can be explained and taught or else it would cease to exist very quickly.

            Advances in knowledge have rendered some parts of traditional morality obsolete, because some codified morality was about the maintenance of social structures which are no longer functional. That’s why we’re now comfortable eating shellfish and pork, or wearing clothes with mixed threads.

            The old argument against homosexuality was verbally “That’s unnatural.”
            But Biologists have credibly shown that a huge number of species, including our closest relatives, have instances of male/male sex. Similarly, anthropologists have found instances of same-sex relationships among hunter-gatherers. So that explanation is insufficient.

            Another argument against homosexuality was that homosexual relationships couldn’t bear children. The overall population is about to hit 7 billion though, so we don’t have to worry about a deficit of children. So that explanation is insufficient.

            An implicit argument against homosexuality was that marriage was a basic unit of distributing labor and property, and homosexuals weakened society by not participating in a basic function of society. But now we have a functional legal system to ensure that contracts are kept and property is distributed. We have machines that ensure that virtually all labor can be done by either sex. So that argument against homosexuality is obsolete.

            And these changes are why the taboo against homosexuality is dying. It can no longer be successfully communicated, so the old morality is becoming harder to support and teach because it is obsolete.

          • Berzee says:

            So you really believe that it is only recently that humans have familiarized themselves with things like…animal breeding, and primitive tribes, and population growth, and workers for hire, and heirless dead people? o_O

            I find these explanations for the origin/refutation of the taboo…insufficient. =P But quite apart from that, your opinion of our ancestors past ~200 years ago is absurdly demeaning. You know there’s a whole other History out there beyond what you can access with CTRL+SHIFT+H, right? I’m quite sure it’s got some farmers and censuses and contracts in.

          • Harlander says:

            You’re really going for the “tradition alone is a sufficient justification for marginalising a group of people characterised by a harmless involuntary trait”, Berzee? Or is this just my tendency to interpret everything people say online in the most uncharitable way possible manifesting

          • InternetBatman says:

            No, I believe that people in our culture were ignoring the evidence in front of them because it went against a socially useful system. An instance of how closely intertwined women and property were is the origin of the word rape. It comes from raptus, meaning capture. Originally rape was a crime against the father, for stealing his property, and it could mean either forcible sex or kidnapping.

            If you look at other cultures you’ll quickly see that the taboo against homosexuality is not a universal thing.
            link to

            Furthermore, critiques against it are not a new thing, like Marie de France’s Bisclavret. In the Middle-ages werewolf was frequently code-switched for Homosexual.

            This knowledge is not new, but it has not been centralized, reliably documented, and widely studied in the past.

            Finally, I think you’re being vague and insulting when faced with the slightest bit of proof or well-reasoned argument because it makes you uncomfortable, but you can’t stick your head in the sand and assume your beliefs are right while ignoring evidence just because it is uncomfortable. To do so is to willfully celebrate ignorance and cheapen your own life. This is one of the principles I learned while completing my History major.

          • Berzee says:

            Harlander, I was going for the “let’s assume that even people who lived thousands of years ago might have had some honest reasons for what they did or said” angle. When somebody says that something is Wrong it’s very possible they said it because they think it’s Wrong, not because they think it’s inconvenient or threatening.

            I’m somewhat fine with putting words into the mouth of living people, since they can quickly correct you and explain their position with more clarity (i.e. InternetBatman) but doing so to dead people is kind of rude. New moral arguments to refute old moral prescriptions are interesting. New accusations of the secret selfish non-moral motivations that people had for inventing insincere moral prescriptions (“you just said that because you’re scared of losing power in your socially useful system!”) is…well, it might conceivably be true sometimes, but it’s hard to verify and not very interesting to talk about.

            Edit: Running off to a Labor Day picnic now, but I did want to apologize for missing the part where you said, to paraphrase, “some morality is codified to maintain social structures”. Seeing that sooner would have prepared me earlier for a talk that isn’t about actual belief (but rather about social maintenance), and seeing the “some” would have suggested that you aren’t ruling out the possibility of plain old belief in this or other cases.

            Maybe someday in another thread we will touch on any of the things that I believe, or any of the reasons I have (since I’m not trying to maintain a society ;) but this thread is all under the umbrella of the guy who hates tradition, and so I have been primarily occupied with insisting that some of our moralizing ancestors might have, for good or evil, meant just what they said.

          • Harlander says:

            *checks clipboard*

            Seems reasonable enough.

  5. subedii says:

    A litle bit more and Planetary Annihilation gets water worlds and naval warfare.

    After that, I don’t care so much about the rest, that’s just extra bonuses. Lots of new orbital units might be nice to play around with, but I’m good with just the core set of land-sea-air.

    As for metal planets, well… For those that don’t know (and I presume that they’re using a similar resource model here), aside from the new addition of planetary facilities to capture, the key thing that defined them was that, being all metal, you could plonk down metal extractors anywhere and they’d churn out ridiculous amounts of metal for you (the two resources are metal and energy in TA).

    They were basically ultra-high resource maps. I guess they’re good for when you feel like messing about, but I think I’d find them a bit cheesy today.

    In any case, given how the game is trending at the moment, it may very well crack $1.5 million or beyond. Kicktraq has it trending at around $1.8 million.

    link to

    • Ironclad says:

      On Uber’s website you can donate via paypal. Does anyone know if these donations are already added to their kickstarter total or if these are a separate pile of money? If the latter, they may already have made it to their first stretch goal, hence the question.

      • Mollusc Infestation says:

        This question was asked in the comments on the kickstarter and they said that they don’t combine the two sums. Kickstarter goals are for kickstarter funding only. It doesn’t look like that’ll be much of a problem though, given its current rate.

      • Lacero says:

        On the forum they’ve said they’ll add the paypal money to the kickstarter money if it makes a difference to reaching a stretch goal. But, it won’t. They say it’s a very small amount of money in comparison.

    • barelyhomosapien says:

      I’ll be really happy to see naval units get in, more orbital units is means more toys so those are the two stretch goals I’m really rooting for. Unless of course one of the next ones is experimental style units like the Krogoth from TA and the…experimentals from SC.

      • LionsPhil says:

        To be honest, I’d be happier to move away from “everything else is just burning time until you get to the experimentals”. I *think*, but may have memories crossed, that the devs said something similar. They’re just a bit too show-stealy.

        (That said, in SupComm, UEF Broadswords can put down most other experimentals quite brutally, allowing you to eschew Fatboys of your own if you so choose.)

        (That, or turn on the third-party mutator that makes tactical missile defences target automatically, so they’re not a micromanaging micro-aiming waste of time, but instead every bit as horribly brutal against land experimentals as the AI’s own, i.e. good luck getting into range without a lot of cannon fodder and ECM.)

        • subedii says:

          In their interview with TotalBiscuit (very good, definitely worth watching), they do mention that they’re not really putting an emphasis on super units. At least for this release, they want to focus more on getting the core gameplay right before they would start throwing those in. You’re still going to have things like Ultra-Long-Range artillery cannons (like the Bertha in TA), but I think they meant more along the lines of buildable ground / air units.

          Both SupCom and SupCom 2 ran up against these problems in different fashion. In SupCom you had super units, they were sufficiently powerful and they took ages to manufacture and a lot of resources, but that was actually the problem. They weren’t really all that feasible to build in competitive play, you’d almost alwayhs be far better off building large armies of the higher tech units instead.

          In SupCom 2 (and partly in Forged Alliance), they made super units a lot more viable to use in an actual game, they were much cheaper and much faster to build, but the downside was that they weren’t as powerful anymore. I think they struck a good balance in that super units could still be game changers (some of them anyway), but they weren’t the kind of army destroyers that people would ordinarily think of when thinking of super units.

          I think super-units can be viable, but they can come with a whole host of issues to sort out when it comes to balance if you want to make sure that they’re actually used.

          • barelyhomosapien says:

            To be honest, having read your replies and thinking about the game mechanics, the only way I would want to see experimentals (desperate last ditch efforts or stalemate breakers solely) would kinda be replaced by BLOWING UP PLANETS! Ahem.

            Also, where does one find the autotarget mutator?

          • LionsPhil says:

            I’m afraid I can’t remember any more; I think the old GPG forums had lists of good custom rules (it was one you could just install and tick-on during game setup, like no-T3-units and such). Can’t re-find it, though, sorry. (I was actually looking for one that removes tactical missile launchers, but it had vanished from the ‘nets. Really don’t like the disparity between human and AI effectiveness with them unless you’re particular Starcrafty.)

          • Gap Gen says:

            Yes, I didn’t like the manual targetting for that. Sup Com 2 has automatically targetting tactical missile, though. There’s a lot to like about that game now they fixed the inability to place structures you didn’t have funds for. The AI still cheats like crazy, though, and playing against Hard AIs will have them chain-nuking you within about 10 minutes.

  6. sriVer says:

    once again you don’t talk about Day One from Pendulo Studios on GamesPlanet Lab… why? link to

    • baby snot says:

      Probably because the column is called Kickstarter Katchup? I know that’s not a fair answer but I’m pretty sure it’s the right one.

    • Unaco says:

      Have you read the rules? Specifically…

      “Leaving links in the comments is a good way to let other readers know about projects, but please email me if you want them considered for the list.”

      Did you email John about the project?

      @Baby Snot,
      I don’t think John limits entries specifically to ‘KickStarter only’. I’ve seen a couple IndieGoGo projects in the list, definitely. Not sure about that GamesPlanetLab though. First I’ve heard of it tbh.

    • Hoaxfish says:

      The project has been mentioned before, last time in the July 28th Katchup

      I suspect it has fallen foul of:

      we’re not going to chronicle its week-by-week crawl to failure.

  7. JFS says:

    Conclave looks real interesting. I wonder whether they can pull it off, though, as it would be the answer to many former-nerds-that-have-grown-up-to-be-working-adults’ prayers.

    • enigmatist says:

      Co-creator of Conclave here: Thanks! The game has a playable beta with 13 quests if you’d like to try it out and see what we’ve built so far.

  8. malkav11 says:

    FWIW, I think SolForge is struggling to fund because their business model is based around selling virtual cards. And not just virtual cards, but random booster packs of virtual cards. A lot of people I know don’t hold with the idea of buying virtual cards like they were real ones. And similarly, a lot of folks I know, myself included, are really, really tired of the randomized “collectible” business model in card games (and anywhere else it crops up). That said, I am backing SolForge because an exchange of emails clarified that they do also intend to have fixed card sets available for purchase, though they won’t be as cash-efficient as the boosters.

    Also want to note that the Tales of Fallen London kickstarter needs $5k in the next 30-ish hours to hit their next stretch goal – adding metaqualities that will allow certain decisions to propagate forwards into other games they do, which is something that sounds very exciting to me personally. Now, there’s also some lovely stuff at the $70k and $100k stretches (a second part to The Silver Tree that happens 100 years later and uses metaqualities from the first part to personalize your narrative; and a reimplementation of PvP for both Silver Tree and the original Fallen London – normally something I’d shy away from but Knife and Candle was fun and not particularly punishing), but they’re at $40k and have 30ish hours left, so I’d be surprised if they hit $70k and $100k is probably out of the question. $45k, though…very reachable.

    • Ksempac says:

      The CCG model (such as the one for SolForge) is broken, and thankfully we now have LCG to scratch that “gotta collect all the nice cards” hitch with a fixed (though still consequent) money investment.

      I find that video games that emulates CCG are even worse, because you don’t even get to have that nice “feeling” of owning a nice card with beautiful art. You just get a bit of saved data on a binary file that is useless outside the game.

    • InternetBatman says:

      I agree. I do not want to see the CCG model move over to video games, and frankly I think it will have a hard time being initially successful because the lack of any physical representation or ownership of your collectible makes the experience less tangible or exciting.

      Also, unless it’s done very well (Marvel Overpower computer game), it leads to a far inferior game. Compare Duel of the Planeswalkers 2012 to Magarena (an open source and probably illegal game).

      • malkav11 says:

        Well, it’s not that SolForge is pioneering any of this – there are plenty of virtual CCGs, including the most blatant of all, Magic Online. But it’s a business model I’m not personally willing to buy into anymore.

      • The Random One says:

        I dunno. I feel there is a way to successfully combine F2P with microtransactions and CCG’s, but I also think it’ll be harder that just creating a CCG and not printing any cards.

    • mwoody says:

      I’m actually a huge fan of the CCG model in general: the massive amount of variety and planning possible when you pick 30 cards from two thousand is nigh-unmatched. And the feel of opening a new booster pack is easily on par with the shiniest diablo-like loot drop.

      But selling cards or packs is inane, and immediately robs every bit of fun from the entire experience. I just can’t have fun with mouse in one hand and wallet constantly clutched in the other.

      I’d love to see a good CCG where you win cards randomly when you beat the AI or win a multiplayer battle. It’s why Culdcept Saga on consoles remains one of my favorite games of all time.

      But either way, I can’t even begin to fathom the mindset of those willing to pay to help fund the development of a pay-to-win game. The idea of giving them (in some cases large amounts) of money so that they can more effectively sell me overpriced digital objects is so alien I can’t even effectively argue the point, so little do I understand the other side.

      • RandomGameR says:

        Isn’t that what Solforge is offering? From the kickstarter:

        “Playing SolForge is absolutely free. You can earn cards and currency through gameplay to improve your decks without paying a dime!”

        Sure, it remains to be seen as to what that really means, but at face value it’s saying that if you play the game you’ll get cards.

        The thing that I like about the game is that they’re taking advantage of the fact that the cards are digital to do things that would be a pain to do with physical cards (the whole cards leveling up mechanic has a lot of strategic potential).

  9. Abbykins says:

    I want to organize a convention of gamers who have mothers that have had sex with other gamers, as that seems to be a common insult during multiplayer. We need to band together in an environment free of hate!

    • Gap Gen says:

      Sounds like a good idea. Good luck!

      • alundra says:

        We also are going to need a convention for – campers – lamers – hobos – bastards – desk monkeys – SOBs – douche bags – fakes – fart faces – FROs – santorums – whores – asses – , oh and don’t forget white trashes, somehow it’s become socially accepted to think that being white is akin to be trash and it’s fashion be discriminatory against them.

        Personally I’ve been called hobo, fake, and bastard, here on RPS and demand a convention for each discriminatory word I’ve been victim of.

        • StickyNavels says:

          I guess you’re making a joke or something, but in case you’re just daft: GaymerCon isn’t actually a convention for people who’ve pejoratively been called “gaymers” (I mean, yeah, they might’ve been called that – but that’s not the point). In reality, it’s a convention aimed to provide a safe space for gamers who are homosexual (or otherwise).

  10. Shooop says:

    There really doesn’t seem to be anything about Insurgency 2 that we’re not already seeing in Counter-Strike GO. Other than iron sights that is.

    What’s the game offering that we don’t already have?

  11. Mollusc Infestation says:

    If those gamers wish to convene for whatever reason, i don’t see why the rest of us ought to take issue with it. People like to meet others with whom they have commonalities, perhaps especially when they feel they are under represented in the wider gaming community.

    Ed: That was meant to be a reply. I’m sure everyone can tell what i’m on about though.

  12. jonsmith512 says:

    Tales of Illyria was snubbed. Check out our game, too, please.
    link to

    • Scifibookguy says:

      Did you send an e-mail to John like it says to do at the beginning of the article?

  13. the.celt says:

    I’m thinking about starting a Heterosexual Gaming Convention that still welcomes anyone who regularly has sex with anyone, anything, or even nothing. I’m trying to think of a good name that combines the sexual preference theme with the gaming theme. Hetero Game Bash? Straightathon? Penis-Vagina Comborific Gathering? I really believe that sexual preference and gaming go naturally together. It just makes sense.

    • hello_mr.Trout says:

      stay classy

    • Mollusc Infestation says:

      As a straight white male, i’m also fake-offended that a minority group can assemble and implicitly exclude me. Perhaps a few more heavy handed metaphors will show them the folly of their ways.

    • The Random One says:

      There already is a heterosexual gamer convention.

      It’s called ALL OF THEM.

    • Gap Gen says:

      You realise anyone can walk into a gay bar, right? I mean, you might get hit on by someone with the same sex as you, but then you get what you pay for.

    • Muzman says:

      When will someone think of straight white males? They are the most oppressed minority after all.

    • Jamesworkshop says:

      I shall call it Breedercon

      Personally I find this whole thing rather silly about the only entertainment medium where sexual proclivities have any relevance is in the porn industry.

      Gaming as a medium I would suggest is terrified of sex, of any kind. Gaming is as chaste as it possibly can be.

      I mean when was the last time a video-game character had children or were even married as to even imply they had any sexual function or desire on any level.

      Was the necromancer from Diablo 2 Bisexual?, is Mario straight?, we don’t know, its a wholly ignored subject in gaming.

      Aside from the gaming angle it’s an odd thing to be doing, going from “we’re not different, we’re just like you ” to going “we are different, and we need themed events and special pandering” depending on the issue.

      And for the record people, whiteness as an ethnic description also allows for it to be applied to gay people too, a Straight male also might not be white, if fact there is rather a lot of straight non-white males in the world, unsure why straight white female doesn’t get mentioned.

      ^ in the interests of equality, people shouldn’t leave out or forget about the white homosexuals

      • StickyNavels says:

        I don’t understand what you’re saying.

        Recent games that feature sex scenes: the entire Mass Effect series, The Witcher 2, Assassin’s Creed 2. There’re probably more, but I usually tune out whenever it’s business time in a game, ’cause it’s usually executed in a very shoddy manner.

        Yeah, there’s no nipple-twisting or bumhole-fingering on picture, but I don’t think anyone’s missing the point.

        • alundra says:

          How can you understand it, you memory is that of when video games where already a political battle ground to push lobby groups’ agendas.

          He mentions games from back when games where just that, games, and you mention recent games tainted by the rampant idiocracy doing it’s rounds thru the world.

          • mwoody says:


          • StickyNavels says:


            I don’t think he was referring specifically to games from the Good Old Days (when, apparently, nothing had any political value and no games had sexual content).

            Also, PLEASE tell us more about these agendas. Don’t leave us hanging.

  14. Kaira- says:

    Really surprised that ADoM got over 90,000$. Well, surprised and glad. Can’t wait to actually get my hands on the new content. Brilliant thing in all the ways.

    • Skabooga says:

      I did feel obligated to drop Thomas Biskup a little something, considering how many hours of entertainment his game has provided for me.

      I’m attending the online celebration party in an hour!

    • The Random One says:

      Bah! I sent him a postcard of a small obscure South American town! What more could he possibly want?

  15. InternetBatman says:

    Has there been a gap in Harvest Moon games? I thought they just changed the name to Rune Factory and put even more stuff in.

    Also Island Forge is a really, really neat idea, but I don’t like the idea of making intricate stories/campaigns only to lose them when I don’t feel like paying subscription costs. It might be more successful as a f2p model with a local backup option that has a cash art asset store.

  16. Baines says:

    Armada is starting to get sad.

    I and my friends played Armada on the Dreamcast and loved it. We’d even play its single screen four player mode. (It was effectively an open world overhead shooter. There was a storyline, but you could just fly about the galaxy shooting aliens in a single space map (no divided sectors) that got harder the further you went from the 0,0 coordinates, and could go down to planets to shoot stuff there too.)

    Then Armada 2 was announced. It was going to be Armada, only bigger. It was going to have its own “bazillion guns” before Borderlands ever came along. But then the game never came out.

    I think there was talk of it becoming a PC release?

    Then Armada Online showed up on the PC, in an open early alpha state. The skeleton of the Dreamcast’s Armada, rebuilt for an online environment. And very much a skeleton. And then it…just stayed there. Come back a year later, and it was in pretty much exactly the same state as before. A year after that, the same. The forums had people talking, but development news seemed scarce.

    And now it is getting kickstartered? With a goal likely well beyond what the game is capable of earning?

  17. fish99 says:

    Barely have money enough to buy the games that do exist, let alone these.

  18. AngoraFish says:

    I’m unclear why The Epic Space Game keeps getting coverage over the dozens of other try-it-ons. The video is more or less just a ship moving around on a 2D star field with some guy talking over the top of it. There is virtually no specific detail about the game mechanics and art assets don’t seem particularly extensive. $20000 seems a very ambitious goal for one guy with no apparent track record in the industry, particularly for what is ultimately supposed to be a FTP MMO. The current $2500 in pledges seems pretty generous under the circumstances.

  19. Vinraith says:

    What is the brown fluid in the IndieGoGo bottle supposed to be, anyway?

      • Vinraith says:

        Gratzi. I thought it might be A1 or something similar, but it looked too thin. I was wondering if the shape of the bottle was iconic in Britain, considering how obvious the Heinz Ketchup bottle is in that image.

        • Muzman says:

          John said he wanted a new picture once upon a time. I’d give it a crack if I could just figure out what that image is supposed to represent.
          (Has Indigogo sauce glassed Kickstarter in the street and is watching him bleed or something?)

        • subedii says:

          It is kind of iconic, or at least well known in the UK, that’s a bottle of HP Sauce. Which colloquially often just gets called Brown Sauce.

          link to

          EDIT: Although I guess it could just be another store brand of brown sauce, but generally it’s the sort of rectangular shape that tends to mark the bottle out.

  20. Alistair Hutton says:

    Armada Online is like the most amazing concept and has been desperately hanging around for years now looking for funding – hope they finally do it with the kickstarter. I’ve played it’s “Alpha” (remarkably feature complete) a few times and it is a lot of fun.

    The high concept pitch is “MMO Asteroids”. With Giant bio-mechanical crabs as the enemies. Game is split into numerous zones with different gameplay styles. Some are PvP, some are free roaming PvE and some are co-op PvE. There’s a DotA inspired zone, a wicked awesome tower defence zone etc.

  21. soldant says:

    I backed my first (and probably last) Kickstarter today – Planetary Annihilation. After sitting back and watching countless other projects which I’ve refused to back (but probably will buy after they’re released), this one came along and made me go “Yes, I want to give them money to make this game.” If they can match the scale of Supreme Commander with the fun of Total Annihilation, I will be a very happy man.

  22. Lambchops says:

    “(or “gaymers” as they’re brilliantly adopting)”

    Brilliant my arse! I’m calling it now, portmanteaus are shit, despite what journalists seem to want us to believe.

    It’s not the worst one I’ve seen this week (I can’t remember what it was it was something in the Guardian I’ve since excised from my mind), which also game with an almost pleading “this is cute” qualifier from the journalist.

    They aren’t cute, they aren’t brilliant, nope they are in fact just irritating and I’m fed up of having them foisted upon us. They should be treated with the same contempt as crap business acronyms.

    I hope you enjoyed this rant comment, or as I’m absolutely in no way calling it because it would just be horrific, “rament.”

  23. mwoody says:

    Out of curiosity: why does the pic on these imply that indiegogo has somehow defeated Kickstarter? Aside from having an option to get the money if you don’t meet your goal – which I personally don’t like – what does the former have over the latter?

    I know that in the ADOM campaign, there were big problems caused by indiegogo’s inability to increase pledge amounts. And projects over there don’t seem to make nearly as much as those on Kickstarter.

    • StickyNavels says:

      Maybe they’re rooting for the underdog?

      It wouldn’t look very sporting if IndieGoGo was the one bleeding on the ground, would it. And you gotta have one of them bleeding if you’re gonna use ketchup, that’s just a given.

  24. Felipe Budinich says:

    Thanks very much for the mention Rock Paper Shotgun! Evilot made it’s goal!

    link to

    We are currently at 101% funding!