Elite: Dangerous Gets A Teaser, Paypal Payments

As Elite: Dangerous enters the final quarter of its long, long Kickstarter, the figure sits at £820,657. Still a good distance from the £1.25m they’re asking for. Will Frontier make it to the finishing line? Or is this going to be a higher-profile miss-kick? Only time will tell, of course, but Frontier are hoping they’ll pull through with a new teaser trailer (below) and a direct Paypal option for those folks who can’t or won’t use the core Kickstarter project. It’s important to point out that direct Paypal pledges don’t contribute to the overall Kickstarter goal, and will only really help (I suppose) if the target is otherwise reached.

Did you pledge? Will you?


  1. AmateurScience says:

    I must admit, as the project has been fleshed out I’m becoming more and more likely to take the plunge. I’ll have to see how the post-Christmas financial chips fall though.

    • MrThingy says:

      Similarly, I’m thinking of boosting my pledge a little.

      It might not look as pretty in this stage as, say, X3, it does look like it will have a nice balance between fun dog-fighting and dark 2001-esque space exploration.

      • erikagarver9 says:

        I get paid over $87 per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I’ve been doing..Read More

  2. Bracknellexile says:

    I honestly can’t put my finger on why but I just don’t have the urge to throw money at this one. Star Citizen, yes. Limit Theory, yes. Elite… ummm, no.

    Maybe it’s simply the fact that the whole thing, despite the new teaser trailer, just feels too nebulous (for once on RPS, no pun intended) compared to the solid content that both Star Citizen and Limit Theory put out very early on in their campaigns. And let’s face it, there’s really nothing in the teaser that we didn’t already know, just a few seconds of first-person footage that may or may not be gameplay.

    I’m not sure I could even explain what it is that I’d want to see in order to make me back it. I guess it just doesn’t grab me in the way the other two do.

    • B0GiE-uk- says:

      Grrr, just go and back it already!

      I’m sure if and when they release it you will be pleasantly surprised!

    • kwyjibo says:

      The thing that puts you off, is that Braben has been trying to make Elite 4 since the 90s. It’s always been there, and yet it’s never even come close – and now apparently it’s only £1.25M away. Really?

      • Bracknellexile says:

        Yeah, that and the fact that in all the videos it’s always, “I’d like to do this….” or “I have plans to do that….” but there’s no “You can do this. It’s here and now and we can show it to you….” It’s all concept art and Braben talking. Limit Theory’s videos, by contrast, are almost exclusively, “Look what I’ve done.” It’s there, it’s tangible, it works. If Elite had shown me half of what Star Citizen did at launch I’d have backed it already but £30 for an “I’d like to….” just doesn’t cut it.

        I’m not saying it’ll be a bad game or it’ll never get made or anything like that – it may well be awesome once it’s done and if it is I’ll happily buy it when it’s released but I can’t justify backing it right now.

        • a2843012 says:

          However, the idea that Braben is deliberately perpetuating a vaprourware conspiracy to steal folks cash and deny them a game seems like stupidity to me.

          link to forums.dayzredux.com,

          • steviesteveo says:

            Meh, “it’s unlikely he’s robbing you” is a very poor justification to give someone your money.

    • Continuity says:

      If anyone can make the Elite game that fans of the series want, its got to be David Braben, and this is probably the best shot at realising that game.

      Needless to say I have backed.

      • jonfitt says:

        Me too. There’s something intangible about what I believe David Braben can produce. I have no evidence to prove that it’ll be good, it’s a gut feeling.
        I think he’s got it in him to produce what fans of Elite want which has been missing in the space “sims” that came afterwards.

    • Revolve says:

      Just logged in to thank you for putting me on to Limit Theory. Haven’t been on Kickstarter for a bit and just found this gem thanks to you.

    • Caiman says:

      There’s no doubt the initial pitch for this game was sub-standard, but Frontier have put some decent effort into it since then, and moreover released some gameplay footage that looks fantastic to play even at this early stage. Unlike Godus, whose prototype looked like boring shite, and despite the hate and distrust for PM that project STILL managed to get funded. I know Elite is asking for a lot more, but I’d much rather play the outcome.

  3. Neurotic says:

    I hope they don’t get screwed by PayPal the way Project Zomboid et al. were screwed.

    • aldrenean says:

      I think that fiasco was a big part of why Kickstarter blew up for indie games so much. Zomboid got screwed because they were selling an unfinished product, or something like that, which isn’t okay with PayPal. KS is specifically for that sort of thing, though.

      • darkChozo says:

        I think it was because they weren’t actually selling anything, and Paypal requires that you exchange money for something if you’re not a registered charity. They got around it by “selling” silly little games, and, uh, subtly implying that you would also get Project Zomboid in the future as a, ah, bonus. They they had their computers stolen, but that’s a whole other thing.

  4. Moraven says:

    Chris Roberts posted a video supporting Elite and Godus, wanting you to pledge to them both.

    They definitely did fix a lot after the poor launch. Probably will be funded. 15 Days is lots of time, plus after the new year when people have a new paycheck after holiday spending.

  5. B0GiE-uk- says:

    I already pledged £20 quid to Elite kickstarter fund.

    Glad RPS is covering/plugging Elite. This game seriously needs to be made.

    Everybody go pledge and spread the word.

    Looking at the graphs its going to be tight whether it reaches its kickstarter target. See link: link to elite-stats.co.uk

  6. Ryan Huggins says:

    SPACE. I love space, and there are so many space games getting announced. :I I seriously hope that some of these actually get released sometime before 2025. :x

  7. Gorf says:

    This better get made, its the only (PC game)kickstarter project Ive ever pledged to….and i want it.

    looks like the £20 pledges have just sold out which leaves £30 as the next minimum option for the game. Not sure if this is a good thing or not tho? Hopefully that extra tenner wont matter to most ppl who just want the game.

    • fredc says:

      I pledged the minimum and upped it to £60 a couple days ago. While I shared some of the concerns initially, I don’t understand how this can’t get made. Elite, the various FFE iterations and Oolite for that matter have dedicated, long-standing fan bases, and this promises to do so much more. We’ve seen gameplay footage and there’s nothing about the mechanics of the procedural generation that’s impossible. So it’s hardly vapourware.

      As to why Braben hasn’t made it before, publishers and the experience he had with FFE. He’s got a company doing other things and probably doesn’t have a couple million pounds of spare cash to throw at development and distribution – at least not that he can afford to bet. The kickstarter makes perfect sense to me.

    • battles_atlas says:

      Stopped me from pledging. I’d pony up £20 for this, but not £30 for a game that remains pretty nebulous

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  9. abandonhope says:

    $49 to get a digital download for a Kickstarter? Hell no.

    • steviesteveo says:

      Oh no, you’re not paying to get a digital download. You’re paying to back the project. The digital download is just a “reward” if it all works out.

      Remember, Kickstarter is “not a shop”

  10. InternetBatman says:

    30 pounds ($49) is a lot to ask for a kickstarter project. That’s the price of a new game that’s already been released in the US, and I doubt they’ll sell the finished product for much more. Ten pounds ($16) just to get access to the digital newsletter? They couldn’t make it available for all backers? I guess it costs too much to print all those emails.

    This kickstarter may go down as one of the most exploitative campaigns in recent history. Oh wait, the ghost of Interplay’s present is here to have a few words with me.
    link to blackisle.com

    All this while InXile shames them by giving the Bard’s Tale remake to all kickstarter backers.

    • Kirill says:

      I couldn’t agree more. For one, I am not nearly as excited for this game as I am for Star Citizen. And two, no way in hell am I paying $49 just for the basic game.

      • sweevo says:

        I’ve been concerned about the £30 thing for a while and have seen that others have said as much on the E:D thread. Suffice to say I’ve dropped my pledge down to £20 from a higher tier in response to FD not listening to the concerns (simply put, not enough volume at the low (£20 end) to generate the bulk of the revenue needed) and they’ve added a new £80 tier in the hope people move up and free some slots on the lower tiers. They’re still a bit clueless as far as this KS is concerned in my eyes.

    • abandonhope says:

      I watched that Black Isle pitch video thinking, “My god, the humanity.” By the end I was just feeling embarrassed for them–looking all sweaty, listing largely irrelevant work histories as if they had meaning (their shifty, sweat-glistened eyes said otherwise), begging for money for an investment prototype project with no reward whatsoever, and preciously implying they had something to do with Fallout.

      The Elite campaign indeed seems exploitative, but the PV13 campaign is stratospherically more repulsive. The only thing that comes close is an iOS app Kickstarter in which the object of the game was to bully nerds.

      • InternetBatman says:

        I don’t know, a comicon themed tower defense game might be fun.

        • abandonhope says:

          That actually could be. This was a game in which you harassed/committed minor acts of violence against school-aged, nerdy “teacher’s pets” for being “annoying.”

          Edit: insert link fail. link to kickstarter.com

  11. sinister agent says:

    Uh oh. That’s an awful lot of orange and teal.

  12. PC-GAMER-4LIFE says:

    They are taking the piss here I mean come on really does no-one think this is not something a big publisher would fund like so many other recent high profile kickstarters this is all about how the developers would rather take more money from kickstarter funding than take the risk of going in with a publisher instead as they would then have to meet targets, make deadlines & halve profits!! This will fall short by £250k or so.

    Frontier could fully fund this project if they wanted to anyway.I refuse to believe there is not a single publisher out there who would not fully fund this game!

    • sinister agent says:

      “We’ll publish your game” and “we’ll publish your game if you make these, and many as yet unannounced changes” are very different things.

  13. spindaden says:

    This’ll probably make it, but I wont be backing it.

    thirty quid? I havent spent that on a game since ck2 (and even that i probably got cheaper at release tbh).
    The video still looks like (not very well) mocked up spacey effects in 3ds or maya or something (i know nothing about 3d modelling) – how come the excitedly maneuvering pirate and bounty hunter don’t have ships?

    Nice nebula though – i did like the nebula.

  14. skorpeyon says:

    One way the PayPal pledges may help the Kickstarter campaign (and one that would be smart of the devs to do) is if they did a last-minute donation of the amount in their paypal account to Kickstarter. That way the pledges go TO the Kickstarter, making it more likely to succeed. With Kickstarter being an all-or-nothing concept, I think they’d be foolish if they didn’t do this.

    • Bracknellexile says:

      I don’t think they can. I’m fairly sure Sui Generis looked at this when they were touch-and-go with regards to making their target and one of the rules of Kickstarter is that you can’t pledge towards your own campaign.

  15. Fwiffo says:

    My cynicism remains intact. All the further stuff they’ve put on the page has had a grudging air to it, like a teenager submitting to requests he brushes his hair before going out. It’s all been a bit vague and it makes me wary.

    Too many times I’ve seen people going “you HAVE to fund this it’s Elite! You played Elite right?!” And not enough “They want to make a new elite, it’s going to have x,y,z features and this and that modernisation of the formula.”

    Sorry David, “because it’s Elite” is not enough of a reason to put 30 quid down.

    • mike2R says:

      I know someone who works at Frontier. He painted a picture of David Braben wandering the hallways, rending his clothes, and crying aloud to the heavens that he’d screwed up the kickstarter pitch.

      I suspect he may have been exaggerating a tiny bit (and perhaps I’m also embellishing it a touch to make the story more interesting), but from what he’s said it is clear that they realise internally that they ballsed it up, and are trying to make good on it as hard as they can.

  16. Michael Fogg says:

    I’ll choose the way of the Pirate.

  17. TechnicalBen says:

    In the time the kickstarter has been going, they have had more progress than the entire time Elite has existed. :P

  18. jnms says:

    I tend to get the impression from the Kickstarter and David Braben, that he just seems to be very unsure how to handle things regarding the project.

    A lot of what he says has an air of intangibility around it, there have been very few specifics until the past few days.

    I think David genuinely wants to make the game. But something feels ‘off’ about the whole thing.

  19. Jenga says:

    Pledged the £20, all or nothing.

    and that’s exactly how I want to play the game, full view forward – minimal hud display, guns blazing.

    I don’t need fancy in cockpit views, they can add that stuff later along with walking around ships. Just make a faithful Elite game with updated visuals, physics and sound.

  20. Benkyo says:

    No. When I heard they were going down the route of interlinked nodes and gates they destroyed any chance of Elite nostalgia prompting me to fund them. Nearly every space game I play has these little (big) spheres of interactive space linked by gates and it just seems so artificial and limiting. I thought Elite might be one to break the mould and give us a real infinite playground, but no.

    • Duke of Chutney says:

      How do I travel to other star systems?
      There are no jump gates in ELite: Dangerous. Your ship is fitted with a hyper drive that allows you to jump to star systems in range of the engine. You can also use the drive to jump large distances within the star system.

      form the KS FAQ

      @ Benkyo, im not sure what your saying is true

  21. ColOfNature says:

    I thought I wanted a new space exploration game. Then I saw Enemy Starfighter and realised that was what I really wanted. So I withdrew my pledge.

  22. goettel says:

    Doubled my pledge to 40 pounds recently.

  23. Duke of Chutney says:

    I can see folks problems with pricing. 30 wigwams is quite abit for a speculative pre-order of the game. Im a little surprised they didnt put the base game at 20 and give some fancy ship skins or art etc to those at 30 and 40.

    However, the idea that Braben is deliberately perpetuating a vaprourware conspiracy to steal folks cash and deny them a game seems like stupidity to me.

    • InternetBatman says:

      I think very few kickstarter projects fail because of malevolence. Many fail because developers overestimate their capabilities and simply cannot get the work done. No one wants to fail. Some people do fail. They could “deliver” a game that’s buggy, in alpha, or just plain terrible and technically succeed because they ran out of money and absolutely have to.

  24. Hmm-Hmm. says:

    I’ve almost pledged a few times, but I haven’t done so and at this point I don’t think I will do so because although I do so like space games something just doesn’t feel right. Or.. perhaps not right enough. That and the 30 pound pledge for the game is a tad high. Not that I wouldn’t pay more for a project I have faith in and really want to happen, but that just isn’t the case.

  25. zooz says:

    I liked Frontier but this project feels wrong.

    First a awful pitch with bad excuses, the developer wasn’t behind the project in a convincing way, David Braben ignored the backers questions and after some time stopped showing up completely. Secondly it’s way too expensive and they expect people to pay a lot instead of coming up with more attractive tiers.

    Last but not least there will be no planetary landing in the initial release and it fully depends on how successful the game will be if they show up in an update at all. Release estimation for a more Frontier like experience about 2015 then?

    I better spend my money somewhere else and if the game makes it, i can still buy it later on for a more competitive price.

    • steviesteveo says:

      This is fundamentally the thing. If you’re not convincing when you want strangers to give you £1.25million (!!), then are you going to get better once you have the funds?

      David Braben’s been quoted quite heavily as blaming the publishing industry for not backing him but then I think — what is it about a long established (founded 1994) game development company wanting to add a fourth instalment to their popular game series that all publishers don’t like?

  26. TheSplund says:

    Well that’s damned annoying – I wanted to do the £20 pledge but there wasn’t a PayPal option on the two or three occasions I looked; now the PayPal option appears and I thought ‘hang on a mo, they’ve upped the pledge price for a digital copy’ but it turns out that I’m now too late. Well sod them, I’m going to wait until it drops in price, as I’m sure it will after a few months, when maybe I’ve got the time to play it. I played Elite on the Spectrum, Tatung Einstein, etc., and I really wanted to pledge a sensible amount but £30 for the possibility of a game that may or may not be that good is too much in my mind.