How 80 Days Adapted The Modernist Spirit Of Verne

80 Days [official site] has finished its journey around mobile platforms and finally arrived at its ultimate destination, the PC. If you read our review earlier this week, you might know I like it.

Back in March, long in advance of the PC version’s announcement or release, I met Inkle founders Jon Ingold and Joseph Humfrey alongside 80 Days writer Meg Jayanth. They told me about adapting the spirit of Jules Verne, their responsibility to be progressive, the importance of writing games with people and dialogue, how to make players trust that their choices matter, what Phileas Fogg has in common with James T. Kirk, and what Verne might have thought had he played the game.

RPS: What was the original spark? Was it simply, ‘Let’s make a game based on Around The World In 80 Days’ or…?

Humfrey: Our very first project as Inkle was a project for a book publisher, that we did an interactive version of Frankenstein. We were selling it to the book industry so it was presented as a book with pages of text and that was it.

Ingold: To stress, it wasn’t our conception of a project, and we didn’t write it. It was written by Dave Morris and it was his idea.

Humfrey: We were always thinking in the vein of, what kind of historical classics can we modernise and what would be suitable for a more gamey treatment? We’d just done Sorcery 1 and we’d kind of discovered that putting an interactive story on a literal map, where you can see the branches on the surface of the map and you can see where you didn’t go, it’s really powerful. And to just take that as far as it can possibly go, and putting it on a globe where you can go anywhere in the real world, or at least real countries in the world even though it’s a fictional adaptation. It gave us so many affordances.

Ingold: Frankenstein was such a pivotal project in some ways. Because the common reaction was, ‘My choices don’t make any difference; they don’t matter; they don’t affect anything.’ And we’d say, well, actually they do. There’s a system under the hood and it’s got these options– but there’s no UI to show you that. It just looks like a book that writes itself.

But then we found that when we showed people a story graph of Frankenstein, and then they read it, they said, ‘Wow! I just feel so on edge and every choice matters.’ It was all about creating that expectation of branching first. So we spent a long time thinking, how do we put a flow chart in an interactive book without it looking like a flow chart?

Humfrey: It’s one of the central problems in branching narrative. Creating either the illusion of choice or real choice, but making it clear that your choices matter. The Walking Dead has ‘Clementine will remember this.’

Ingold: But even that is really interesting, because the player has to trust it. The moment you start to doubt that Clementine is going to remember that and the more Telltale games I play, the more suspicious I become of that and the less effective it becomes as a technique. Whereas the great thing about a map is – and that’s why the multiplayer aspect is there in 80 Days, so that when you’re there in Istanbul, not only do you know that you didn’t go to Moscow, there’s somebody in Moscow right now. And that really hammers it home.

Humfrey: And when you’re playing it’s very clear that the story within the city is very bespokely written for that city, so you couldn’t possibly expect that the story in Istanbul is the same story as you would get in Moscow.

Ingold: It’s definitely not repurposed content.

At the same time, it was clearly character-driven. It was clearly driven by the its relationship between two people. And we really wanted to make games with human beings in, and with dialogue and with conversation.

One of the reasons why we moved from – or why I moved – from writing text adventure-y type stuff to choice-y stuff was that you can’t do characters in a parser game. I know because I’ve tried. I wrote Make It Good which is quite a complicated parser game with lots of characters, but the dialogue is automatically stilted by the interface. Whereas in choices it’s just very very easy to just do dialogue. And we wanted games with actual people in the game. It felt like quite an important thing to be doing, to make an engaging reading experience.

Humfrey: We just love adventure stories and it’s kind of classic adventure fiction, so.

Ingold: And I really wanted to – and I know we’re very freely keen on this – but to make a choice-based game where the choices aren’t just miserable the whole time. The one criticism I’ll really level at The Walking Dead is that it’s so bloody bleak all the time, as though every choice has to be depressing.

Jayanth: We had very few life-or-death choices in that way, and they’re rarely so emphasised. You’re really right because it’s much harder to build character with big moments, your character is in the smaller moments. ‘This person is smelly. Do I make a face, do I say something to them, do I get up and walk away?’

Ingold: That’s so much more interesting for a character than, ‘Do I shoot the puppy or do I drown the puppy?’

And as soon as you start to build a game where you have lots of choices, the absurdness of having to make life or death decisions really does start to stack, I think. We really wanted to make something that was much more Indiana Jones than Apocalypse Now. And that was really fun, as it turned out. It was really fun! One of the joys of getting Meg’s scripts back was that, though some of them were about slavery and about rebellions, some of them were just ludicrous things about someone losing their hat. And just being able to have straight-up comedy that wasn’t goofy? It was just such a relief.

Jayanth: I managed to sneak Fogg possibly having a threesome into it. [laughs] That’s my favourite journey; it’s Brisbane to Lima.

I think it was like 2 in the morning when I submitted that and you guys were still awake, and you being like, “Meg.” After you’d clearly gotten to that bit.

Ingold: There’s a comment I think in the script which is, “Yes, I went there.” [laughs]

Jayanth: But that flexibility of genre, there are these comedic elements, there are these comedy of manners bits, there’s just straight-up adventure stories. You wrote this amazing time travel adventure thriller section, there’s a murder mystery, and it all works because of the scale of it. You can actually move from genre to genre without it being genre. The tone can take that.

Ingold: And here the player is making choices the whole time and that’s fine. It’s just fine. It’s not a big deal.

Jayanth: It’s also Passepartout that allows you to do that, I think, because his character never changes no matter whether he’s playing a comedic role or being serious. You can have these tonal shifts without it feeling like you’re playing a completely different character, because it’s still Passepartout in a weird situation.

Ingold: It’s essentially a TV show. That’s basically what we did. It’s very, very episodic. That suits the structure of 80 Days; that’s another great affordance. We all feel very lucky in retrospect. We could easily have done 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea and we would have been stuck describing fish.

Jayanth: Oh my god, describing fish. It’s so hard. Because there’s the 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea bit [in 80 Days] and trying to research what fish people knew existed…

RPS: Once you’d settled on 80 Days, how did the other decisions come about? Putting the team together, selecting the format…

Ingold: There’s a lot of elements when we look back at it where it just feels like serendipity came together. Not least that we had the concept brewing and we knew we wanted it to be historically grounded but a little bit fantastical and to have nice language but not overbearing language and around that time I happened to play Meg’s game Samsara, a StoryNexus game, which is FailBetter’s engine, and it’s set in, like, an 1800s Bengal. It’s somewhat more fantastical than 80 Days, but I read it and it had a good design structure to it, and I was sort of going, ‘That really couldn’t be a better writing test at the moment, right now.’

Jayanth: All of those little decisions we made at the beginning, which sort of seemed like, we sort of made them because they felt right. Like, yes, it’s Passepertout, and right, it’s not in first-person, and…

Ingold: The one I felt really strong about was the writing in first-person and not in second-person. Because I’m absolutely sick of second-person writing. It’s so difficult not to make it feel childish, and I say that as someone who has written a million words for the Sorcery series at this point. There’s something so average about it. And I come from the parser text game background and people used to argue about this stuff quite a lot, and the prevailing thing is that, you have to make it second-person because otherwise the player won’t own it, it won’t be them. And that gives your player so little credit.

Jayanth: I remember that because I did my writing sample in second person.

Ingold: Did you? Oh yeah! The first thing I did was change it to first because I couldn’t read it.

Jayanth: [laughs]

Ingold: I feel like the one thing that I’m really pleased with from an ‘art of writing interactive fiction’ side of things is a fully working example of a first-person narrative where the protagonist is not you. He’s malleable and engaging but he’s definitely not you, and that works and it’s fine and people don’t have a problem with it. Nobody complains about it. Or one in a million people complain about it and I’m really pleased to have that.

Jayanth: And people still say ‘I’. I helped someone give birth on an airship. I was kidnapped by airship pirates.

It was really interesting to me. I went from writing 80 Days to writing an island for Sunless Sea, which is ‘you’, and you’re much more of a cipher, and you have to be really careful about implying what the character thinks and stuff like that. So all of the space that we take up with Passepartout is put into descriptions and place and atmosphere. But it creates a totally different effect, the kind of story you tell. In 80 Days, we focus much more on character than on buildings or things. And it would be so much harder to do that if you were trying to write a cipher.

On page two, the rarity of friendship in games, adding steampunk to Around The World, and the responsibility to be socially progressive.

16 Comments

  1. Matt_W says:

    Great interview! Not much else to say, but thanks!

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    Wisq says:

    Briefly had a brain short circuit and was thinking “Vernor Vinge” rather than “Jules Verne”. Was super excited.

    But, this sounds okay too. :)

  3. cannedpeaches says:

    A fantastic interview, obviously really thoughtful people – made me about twice as likely to buy this game. And your questions were very incisive as well, Graham.

    However, one correction from a reader living in the states: it’s “postBELLUM”. As in “after the war”, where antebellum is “before the Civil War”. Bellam in this context kind of sounds like some historical dude.

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      Graham Smith says:

      My bad! I *knew* it was wrong when I typed it, then forgot to check and fix afterwards.

      • Shiloh says:

        “Bellum” – “war”, second declension noun, bellum bellum bellum belli bello bello, bella bella bella bellorum bellis bellis. Not to be confused with “bellum”, inflection of “bellus”, first declension adjective, “pretty”. Also unrelated to “bell-end”.

        Write it out 20 times please, Smith Minor.

  4. Martel says:

    Great article, I really enjoyed it and I haven’t even played the game…..yet. Already on the wishlist and this makes me even happier that it is. Might have to move it a little higher on the list.

  5. Arglebargle says:

    Nice interview. Moved from not knowing about it at all to toying with the purchase button.

    Jules Verne was a true visionary. Hope this game holds up as they intended.

  6. Blackcompany says:

    This really is a great game. Loving it so far.

    And if the Devs happen upon the comments: Thank You for insisting on First Person perspective for your narrative. I feel the same about the second person perspective normally seen in these sorts of games; too often it feels as if someone is telling me what I think, feel or do, and I just..struggle to enjoy it.

    I would love to see more games like 80 Days, especially done in first person. So thanks again for making this.

  7. DevilishEggs says:

    “One of the reasons why we moved from – or why I moved – from writing text adventure-y type stuff to choice-y stuff was that you can’t do characters in a parser game.” Never even thought of that.

  8. malkav11 says:

    Oh right, Meg wrote Samsara. That was a lovely StoryNexus thing that just kind of stopped, and although it teased more, more never materialized. I’m guessing that must have been both because StoryNexus never really took off, and because Meg got tapped to write 80 Days instead. I can live with that!

  9. Shiloh says:

    I bought this the other day and I’ve got to say, I’m really enjoying it. It’s not particularly difficult to “win” and get round the world in the allotted 80 days, but I don’t really think that’s what the game’s about – sure, you’re aware of the clock ticking down but it’s much more about the people and situations you meet.

    I do wonder how much replayability there is in it though – I’ve already run into a couple of repeated situations and I don’t want to get to the point where I *know* I’m going to meet Mr X in Y – do we know if there are content updates planned to keep the thing fresh?

    • Bakuraptor says:

      I think that for the most part you need to start searching for the new after your first few playthroughs: “What will happen if I go as far north or south as possible?”, or “What can I do in this dead-end place I’d not usually go to?” That said, there are a few particularly annoying bottlenecks I tend to try and avoid; of particular note here is the journey across the pacific, which all-too often (after the first playthrough) ends up being either an airship ride to Lima, or a hovercraft ride to Honolulu – both of which have interesting content, but can get wearisome. What’d be great would be other forms of transport for routes that only appears for certain dates, going to similar or different locations with different story content (which is also, I suppose, a way to diversify the story without introducing new cities).

      • Shiloh says:

        Thanks for this, and yes, that’s what I’m currently doing. Like you say though, Yokohama and the consequent crossing of the Pacific can get a bit old – I’ve done one run via Brisbane and South America which was fun (including a *secret*!), I might try heading south straight away through Africa and work my way back across the southern hemisphere.