RPS Verdict: Star Wars Episode VII – The Force Awakens

Adam, Alec and Pip all went to see Star Wars: The Force Awakens this week, as did many other people around the world. Yesterday, they discussed their feelings and thoughts about the film in the company of a transcription droid, which produced the following report. Plot spoilers are clearly tagged and hidden, but there are discussions of structure and character throughout so turn back now if you want to go in completely cold.

Adam: Christmas comes but once a year. And for the forseeable future, it appears that Star Wars will arrive on an annual basis as well. Episode VII: The Force Awakens opened in cinemas across the UK this week, with packed midnight screenings and all manner of excitement. We three have seen it already and the first matter for discussion is, naturally, wot did you think?

Alec: IV, V, VI, VII, I, III, II.

Mixed feelings. More good than bad, but some big reservations. Huge improvement over the last three though, without a shadow of the empire a doubt.

Adam: I might go with V, IV, VII, VI. I can’t put the prequel trilogy in any sensible order because I’ve seen all three a single time and can’t remember which bits are in which films. I’m fairly sure II is the one I like the least because it has all the lovey-dovey bollocks in, but who knows!

Pip: I’ve never found that ranking films makes much sense. They spiral off in weird ways and become better or worse than each other the whole way through. If we need to do something with numbers here though I will say [Original Trilogy numbers go here] then VII then we work with a number system that does not acknowledge anything greater than zero and less than 4 and thus the list is over. I’m not saying that to be a total dick about the prequels, it’s more that they felt like they bore no real relevance to Star Wars as a core thing.

Alec: Just to get it out the way – no spoilers here, right? But maybe… sideways references to certain things just to see whether or not we agree?

Adam: No major spoilers for now but anyone who wants to go in completely cold should not be reading this at all because we can’t discuss what we liked and what we didn’t like without touching on the structure and whatnot. Considering that some people think the cast list is a spoiler, the ice is very thin.

We will have a later section where we do discuss spoiler stuff because enough people will have seen the film already to want that. It’s becoming very difficult to have a conversation about Star Wars for people who have seen it because the entire internet seems to be quarantined. I think it’d be good to have a space for a conversation about the film rather than around the film.

Pip: I liked going in totally blind. If other people want to do that they likely have stopped reading already or never clicked in the first place but I’m going to flag up here that even though we’re not going to name names or plot moments you still might want to stop, go see the film and come back.

Adam: Yeah. I don’t even watch trailers unless a cinema forces me to. If I know I’m going to see something, the critics and analysis can wait until after I’m done.

Alec: I still can’t believe that Alan Yentob was the new Darth Vader, though.

Adam: If you’d been paying attention to the Expanded Universe, which often bleeds into BBC Parliament and Extreme Fishing With Robson Green, you’d have known all of this in advance.

On a Serious Star Wars Note – I loved The Force Awakens. I was thoroughly entertained, laughed far more than I expected to, and would happily watch this group of characters getting into galactic scrapes for many years to come. My main reservations are to do with pacing; it’s very much a setpiece-after-setpiece kind of film and those tend not to hold up for repeated viewing in my experience. I wanted more quiet between the storms. But I was extremely happy when I left the cinema. Bouncing.

Alec: Aye, I thought it was a little too frantic, and either needed more downtime or twenty minutes of mania chopping out. I actually phased out a little during one of the most crucial later scenes simply because I was exhausted. But that aside, it’s a hugely well put-together action adventure, exciting and funny and sometimes sad. Avoided much of the tiresome stuff many modern blockbusters – or at least the superhero ones – do with villains and building to one big incoherent CGI-off too.

But, and I need to be super-duper careful here, I was frustrated by how dependent it was on A New Hope and to some extent Empire. Like Abrams’ second Star Trek film and the Wrath of Khan, so much of it was about remixing or inverting the already beloved, and I’m worried that it’s not really its own film because of that. Having watched the first one again recently, there’s even a faint absurdity to some of the same stuff happening with different people and none of them commenting upon it. And there’s a particular event that I felt was telegraphed a mile off because it involved a character doing exactly the same thing as another character in one of the original films.

But unlike Abrams’ second Star Trek film, this wasn’t nonsense. I do worry about him as a director/writer though, can’t quite seem to do his own thing despite surely infinite creative freedom.

Pip: The pacing was good for the first half, then it gradually slips off tempo. I think it’s a result of having too much it wants to impart in the final act and so you end up having to cover a lot of ground, go to a lot of scenes, and that makes it feel less sleek.

Adam: I’d be concerned if Abrams was set to direct the entire trilogy – not only because I do worry about the direction it’d go in (or the possibility that it wouldn’t go anywhere new at all) but also because I think each film should benefit from a new style, a new hand at the tiller. It worked for the original trilogy and I’m very excited to see Rian ‘Not Looper But Brick’ Johnson’s take on the characters and the world. Trevorrow less so, I guess, but he hasn’t made enough to make me turn my nose up in disgust. At least it’s not snidey Zack.

Alec: At least it isn’t necessarily setup to lead into Empire Strikes Back 2.0 at the end, though Say No More of course. But yeah, I can’t work out if this was consciously trying to remake the first film for a new generation (which is sort of sick as it risks invalidating it), that Abrams gets creative panic or that executives presented him with a ‘pillars of Star Wars’ must-have scenes list that he had to follow. I guess I’m interested to see how I feel about the film on a second showing, when I know that’s going to happen and, perhaps more importantly, that the restless quest for answers issue is partly dealt with.

That was another issue, which is perhaps more about me than anything else – it seemed so important to know the secrets that there was almost an impatience to get through the setpieces and find out what will happen and who whoever really was or wasn’t. Though really that’s Empire’s fault, which is why I don’t hail it as the best Star Wars – it set the blockbuster precedent for twists and cliffhangers, whereas the first film was so very complete, happier to have all this implied stuff and world-building around the edges rather than rely so much on the drawn-out quest for a central mythos.

Pip: I didn’t feel that. The Force Awakens was setting up stories and mysteries that will unfold over the next films and I really liked that aspect. I want to know more about how the relationships built or deteriorated between characters before this film and how they develop afterwards. I didn’t have the sense of impatience from that.

In terms of the referencing though… Hmm. I have a few thoughts about that. One is that I preferred the first half of the film because I think it gets bogged down in – not exactly nostalgia, but in this rather theatrical or self-conscious mirroring thing it does with the events of the original trilogy. Some of what it did with that was cool, some was kind of suffocating. I’ll elaborate once we get to real spoiler territory though.

Adam: On the world-building front, I loved the opening scenes. Some of the later echoes seemed like nods and winks, but there are shots on Jakku that show how the old has been destroyed and repurposed.

details of specific shots but not plot

A ruined Star Destroyer that could be mistaken for a mountain range and, my favourite shot in the entire film, the wreckage of an AT-AT used as shelter from the desert sun.

Even though it’s a full-on action adventure movie, there are a few scenes that capture something like everyday life in these bizarre worlds, in a way that reminded me of Simon Stalenhag’s art.

I was surprised and delighted by how weird some of the background characters are. It’s easy to forget how wild and bizarre Star Wars can be – the cantina scene is probably the most famous microcosmic example of that tendency. But there are so many great things to look at – huge great lumbering pack-animals that are half-robot or full-robot or semi-vehicle prime among them for me. It’s like the stilt-walker scene in Mad Max: Fury Road – colour and noise that rewards your eyes just for being in the same room. I’d forgotten how many of the memorable moments are built around that stuff: characters and species that I remember from childhood that didn’t really play much of a role at all, but stuck in my mind. I think Force Awakens has that.

And, so help me, I really loved BB-8. Before watching, I thought the thing that might ruin the film would be attempts at humour and cutesiness that fell flat. There’s something of Wall E in this little fella though. Ridiculously expressive and lovely and I want the toy right now.

Alec: Yeah, the re-appropriation of the cantina scene is the magpie element I’m most on board with – although it’s similarly designed to sell toys. I watched A New Hope with my toddler the other day (her mother has since told me I shouldn’t have and can’t do it again) and seeing the delight and excitement and wonder about who the hell all these bizarre creatures were through her eyes was wonderful. It’s what Star Wars needs, what it’s built upon, and one of the things that it’s fallen into the trap of – partly because of super-fan lore expectations – is trying to explain too much rather than simply toss something at you then move on. I hope they don’t forget to do that as the focus inevitably narrows to the arc of the new major characters.

BB-8’s lovely, yeah, but really for the same reason that R2-D2 is. I’m glad they didn’t go all-out comedy character on her though, she has pathos because of it.

Chewie was the surprise star for me though. A character I’ve come to take for granted because he can only do so much given he essentially can’t speak, but in the right hands he gets brilliant, brilliant gags and also big emotion that hits harder because it doesn’t rely on words to (over)explain it. He got all the best lines, basically. I hope this isn’t a spoiler, but the closest I got to Actual Human Tears was the first scene he and Leia are in, and the way they wordlessly greet each other with infinite affection.

Adam: I hadn’t realised that Chewie is such a perfect comic foil until mid-way through this film. Or perhaps I hadn’t realised why he works so well.

Pip: I wasn’t into the nu cantina scene because that was one of the moments that felt like it was aping the older movies rather than being a kind of graceful nod to them. BB8, on the other hand, was delightful. I nearly bought one of the little toys for my partner as he loves Star Wars but I was so worried I would be throwing a hundred quid away on this year’s Jar Jar Binks. Turns out BB-8 is utterly great. Expressive, sweet, and unique. I thought they might try to make it a sort of straight up replacement for R2 or something but it’s kind of like R2’s toddler brother or sister, or maybe R2’s puppy.

Adam: The nu cantina scene was too distracting for me because I couldn’t stop thinking about what a poisoned chalice the job of picking or writing the new band music must have been.

What about the rest of the new lot? The humans? I thought they did a grand job. I’m not sure Daisy Ridley quite had the chops that her character requires, but there’s plenty of time to grow into the part and the actual character work did a lot of the heavy lifting this time around. These aren’t really films for actors to shine, I’d say, but nobody embarrassed themselves and there’s good comic back and forth between the leads. And actual menace when it’s needed as well, I thought. Finding a Vader proxy is always going to be a gamble and I think having the Vader proxy be self-aware about the fact that he is – or wants to be – a Vader proxy makes things slightly more uncomfortable in a good way. I reckon the best is to come from the Dark Side of this new trilogy.

Alec: His helmet’s rubbish, though. I don’t really understand why they didn’t just give him Vader’s helmet or a more overt variation thereof if they’re pitching him as ultro-Vader fanboy anyway. But yeah, he pulled it off otherwise, and wasn’t just a repeat of a former villain.

Agreed about Ridley, she was a bit of a weak link for me. Not bad as such, but the performance seemed a little forced, a little stagey, in a way that unfortunately evoked Keira Knightley more than her face already did. The scene where she and Finn talk over each other as they both shower the other with praise was like something out of a panto. But it doesn’t feel impossible that she can become more naturalistic, and yeah, the character has a ton going for her. I really, really liked Boyega – funny and worried and heroic. Though he felt ever so slightly underused, caught in a strange middleground between supporting character and lead character. His bromance with Poe was delightful though, more of that please.

Pip: I absolutely loved Boyega and Ridley. I loved their dynamic, I loved that at every turn Ridley’s character refused any kind of damsel in distress narrative, and I actually wanted to spend more time with them. Rey particularly. I love that she exists and found her power by herself and ARGH. It’s a big part of why I preferred the first half of the movie, I think.

Alec: The Rey character is great yeah, a natural and much-needed evolution of the take-no-shit persona Leia had before she sadly became Han Solo’s Love Interest. And I think Ridley is right for the part, she’s got the steeliness and the drive in addition to the heroism, just isn’t quite hitting it all the time quite yet.

Adam: Shall we do a quick spoilerific chat now? So I can get a couple of things off my chest?

There are spoilers for EVERYTHING that happens here. You have been warned.

Adam: We’ve already touched on the similarities to A New Hope and, blimey, it’s the same film in so many ways! It’s almost like a remake and the most disappointing element of that for me came when Han looks at the big ol’ bad weapon and basically says “It’s a Death Star, but bigger” and then it actually is just a Death Star, but bigger. The finale hits all of the same story beats.

This is where Pip’s earlier point about ranking films is very important because my hope is that A Force Awakens is an intentionally similar set up so that we can now watch a variation on the heroes and villains stories, from what seems like the same starting point. If the new trilogy works as a ‘what might have been’, using the same basic tools and plot machinery and then diverging to show that the strength and uniqueness of these characters can make new stories, this first film will look much stronger in retrospect, I think.

Pip: Given we’re into spoiler territory I want to elaborate on that earlier ranking. I put the original trilogy first because that’s the core of this whole thing but putting VII after that isn’t actually about its quality, it’s more to acknowledge that I don’t think it can quite stand alone as a movie. I suspect it needs the original trilogy in a very particular way to make sense of all the references and callbacks and mirroring it does in the back half of the movie.

Alec: I’d be fascinated to talk to someone who hasn’t seen the originals before seeing this, and whether the returning cast members have sufficient meaning and pathos if you don’t already know them. They try very hard – in so many ways! – to make Han the new Obi-Wan, the charismatic old codger from way back when who’s primarily there to talk confused youngsters into fighting the good fight, but Obi-Wan never had a [pause for cheers] moment when he first appears.

I think you’re right though, it very much suffers from “given them exactly what they want” syndrome, which means indulging fan nostalgia, and that means it struggles to be its own film. In theory the next one can give us all the exposition we need in a very short glob at the start then go off in its own direction, but really they now want this to be a perpetually-ongoing saga so don’t think they’ll worry about standalone status.

Adam: The group I went with all hated one particular sequence. Actually, hated is a strong word but it was the bit everyone disliked. It was the whole portion when Han first arrives and he’s smuggling some big tentacle beasts and there’s a chase and some baddies get devoured, and it felt a bit like hijinks that were a bit unnecessary. I was the only person who defended it because I thought it worked as a way to establish that Han is still doing the whole smuggling thing (or doing it again) and gave him a reason to side with Finn and Rey.

Alec: It was also the trash compactor scene all over again, I thought, which I didn’t particularly need. And the fact that baddies get eaten right away but Finn gets dragged around for ten minutes first was nonsense. But yeah, it showed off that Han was still being a glorious dickhead, which we needed in order to stop him from becoming purely Captain Kindly Exposition.

Adam: Were there any particular parts that you thought didn’t work?

Pip: The trash compactor joke had a touch of Miranda Hart turning to camera to acknowledge the audience to it. I’m still working on the other stuff. I think the older characters turning up was necessary for the story they are telling and I wanted to know more about how those relationships had grown or twisted or changed as well as finding out what the new lot would do. I think there’s a lot to be said for using those references to point to a kind of, I don’t know, pattern or rhythm within that universe – the rise and fall of the dark and light, and the family lines which it revolves around. It was only when those started to interrupt the new storyline that I got fed up with them really. Like at the end with Poe doing his version of the trench run, they needed to either focus on that properly or have it be less of a thing but they went for this middle ground.

Alec: Yeah, the first half felt like it was all about the new guys, but when it ended it didn’t feel as though the film was meaningfully about them at all, which is a bit troublesome in terms of where to go next. Almost like they were just there to propel along action in between finding out bits and bobs about what happened to the old guys.

The bits I was least keen on, I think, were the fairly few scenes that tried to show us the thinking behind and machinations of The First Order. We didn’t really get much beyond than “they are nasty and they have built exactly the same stuff as the last nasty guys.” It felt really, really thin. Somewhat implausible too, but I guess the idea is that their big bad Supreme Leader is powerful enough to get this bunch of upstarts the resources they need to challenge a galactic government and build…. things. (I’m not sure if we’re still spoilering or not). And Captain Phasma/Brienne was criminally underused.

Pip: I want to use the trick of projecting myself really big into a room so that people are intimidated and do what I say. Like, all they had to do was move the projector a bit and he would have been far less scary.

Adam: I thought the giant projection was brilliant, perhaps because it distracted me from the question of who, what and why this new scarfaced scaremonger is. It’s both a complete dick move, the kind of thing Trump would do if he was president, and genuinely bizarre to see in a way that I found unnerving.

Pip: On the note of where the new characters end the film I’d say that I didn’t feel the ending did them a disservice in terms of the action they were involved in, it was just too cluttered by callbacks. I loved the light saber battle in the forest, first with Finn and then with Rey because I think it was great at communicating their characters’ strengths and vulnerabilities. Similarly, the closing scene with Rey and Luke. It was kinda self conscious because it went on for so long but in terms of the gesture I thought it was a strong one. Ren too, I want to know more about him and what happened with Luke’s Totally Legit Afterschool Lightsabre Club.

Adam: I enjoyed seeing the old characters to the extent that I was more sad about the prospect of more films without Solo than I was about the actual tragic events at the film’s end. It was all very awful for all concerned, of course, but a little voice in the back of my head was interrupting the emotions and just wittering on: “I HAD FORGOTTEN HOW MUCH FUN HARRISON FORD CAN BE AND NOW HE’S GONE”.

Alec: Oh come on, he only got stabbed in the heart, thrown down an infinite chasm and then the entire planet exploded. THERE’S STILL A CHANCE.

Shortly after that I became convinced that Chewie would do the noble self-sacrifice thing in his grief, stay behind and blow up the planet so everyone else could get off-world safely, and I was getting pretty panicky at that point, I must admit.

Adam: I love that at the end of the film, Rey is basically Luke and Han all at the same time. She’s the extremely force sensitive badass saber fighter who is piloting the Millennium Falcon with Chewie in the co-pilot seat. Fuck yeah.

Alec: Tell you what though, my final thought was “hang on, this person Luke has never met is the one who gets to go and see him while his actual friends just stand around on a rock miles away waiting for permission.”

Adam: But she’s his daughter, right? EVERYONE IS RELATED. She might be his mum. I just don’t know.

Pip: God, I had a moment during the movie when, because we found out Han was his dad and then he mentions Darth Vader being his grandad, I was like “HANG ON, DARTH IS HAN’S DAD?”

Adam: I did exactly the same thing and thought I was the only one!

Alec: Me too, actually. Which speaks to how poorly Leia was treated in ROTJ, she never gets her daddy moment so we forget the link.

Alec: I still can’t believe that C-3PO murdered Luke Skywalker.

Anyway, is The Force Awakens as good as Yoda Stories?

Adam: If I hadn’t enjoyed Fury Road as much as I did, it’d be the most fun I’ve had in a cinema all year (on that note I might write an article about Rey and Furiosa at some point). One thing that struck me is that all of the trailers beforehand (or most) were superhero films or tangentially related to superhero films. And even the Marvel stuff was all a bit doom, gloom, friends against friends and worlds gone dark. It was lovely to see a film that had heroes in it that I actually just wanted to cheer for when they were being brave and loving and kind and awesome. Obviously I would never cheer in a cinema because I’m not an American but I left feeling very happy and that’s a rare thing.

Obviously there is darkness in The Force Awakens – there’s a whole Side of it – but it has a lightness of step, even when the combat is satisfyingly weighty. It’s an adventure, almost a caper at times, and there’s a twinkle in its eye. That’s not what I want from a film all the time, but once a year? I’ll take that and be very glad of it.

Pip: I don’t know what a Yoda Story is, but I am glad this film happened. Really glad. I think it had to do a really tough thing of bridging a gap between trilogies and also soothing megafans after what happened with the prequels. I’m not a megafan – not even a fan, just someone who saw the trilogy once and generally enjoyed it – so that stuff was less important to me and perhaps that’s why I wanted slightly less of the callbacks. But I loved Finn and Rey. Especially Rey. Yes. It feels like a really good springboard onto the next movie and I kind of love that I have so many questions and things to ponder.

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57 Comments

  1. latedave says:

    Actually I thought the first half was the weaker segment, more confused and personally I found the bromance scenes between finn and poe rather painful. (although poes quips about the mask were pretty funny albeit slightly damaging to sense of menace)

    It only really picked up for me in the second half where things started to get a lot better and Harrison Ford appears. Someone really needs to have a word with JJ about plot though, where’s the Republic, couldn’t they come up with something a little more original than starkiller? It’s not on the scale of Wrath of Khan illogical but it’s pretty bad nonetheless. I did enjoy it on the whole but I think Pips comment about it needing the other three films is a very accurate one.

    • Slaadfax says:

      It was mentioned some in the article, but I’m increasingly convinced that Abrams likes to feature things in terms of “shots.” Like, okay we want to have these three characters standing in this arrangement with this setting/backdrop.

      While it creates some absolutely divine imagery (I found the cinematography to be absolutely outstanding), if these pieces aren’t stitched together in a coherent fashion, you end up with something like the Uncharted series:

      You’re digging through catacombs puzzles and then on an ocean liner that sinks but then you’re back in the city with the catacombs but wait now there’s a cargo plane that you jump on but then it starts going down and now you’re wandering the desert.

      Having that understanding actually made me feel substantially better about weak spots of the plot. While I don’t love making sure the visuals are polished more than the writing (and do think the writing could have been crafted better to justify the visuals), I can’t really blame Abrams (or whomever) for choosing that route.

      • dogsonofawolf says:

        if these pieces aren’t stitched together in a coherent fashion, you end up with something like the Uncharted series

        Haha, truer words never spoken.

    • Shadow says:

      Yeah, where’s the Republic and how could they possibly sit on their asses for 30 years, funding an evidently ineffective “resistance”, while the First Order built/procured such a cataclysmic superweapon? A major story issue for me.

      • bockzcar says:

        this was apparently something covered in the newer books:

        link to birthmoviesdeath.com

      • Universal Quitter says:

        Strange quirk of history: totalitarian governments tend to spend more on defense and espionage than their pacifist counterparts, particularly during a time of truce or peace.

  2. Crimsoneer says:

    I did not like the new bad guy. Did not buy his whole…”thing”.

    • demicanadian says:

      Did he tell you the definition of insanity?

    • Fade2Gray says:

      That was the entire point. In the interrogation scene, Rey reveals Ren for the sad pretender he is. Then she shows that he’s a poorly trained pretender to boot when she beats him in a lightsaber duel. Everything prior to those scenes was just puffer on his part. It was his attempt to assume his grandfather’s mantel by right of simply being his grandson.

    • ramirezfm says:

      I was ok with the Vader wannabe, until he removed his helmet. Oh Em Gee, I am so emo, nobody loves me, fear me or I’ll take a razor and slit my veins! Srsly…

  3. Darth Gangrel says:

    Well, I liked it very much. Impressive, most impressive. It has a lot more humour than any other Star Wars movie, while not lacking action or baddie confrontations. The Force Awakens was just as good, if not better, than any other Star Wars movie.

    The similarities to A New Hope might feel, uh, Forced, but that’s probably just because they need to show the fans that they get what we liked about Star Wars. They can’t afford to fail, so they’re playing it safe. Imitation is the highest form of praise, so that’s what they’re doing here – praising the very first Star Wars movie, without so much as a mention to the prequels.

    I bet the other movies will be quite different now, what with it being a major success. They can now allow themselves to go off the beaten track, if only just a bit. It’s also good that each movie will have a different director. Rian Johnson (directing Ep. VIII) wrote and directed the excellent Looper and I really enjoyed Jurassic World, directed by Colin Trevorrow (Ep. IX). The Force Awakens brings with it A New Hope, that Star Wars will become great again, rather than just pretty good.

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    clem2k3 says:

    I really enjoyed the film in general and have highish hopes for the rest of the trilogy off the back of it. Maybe even for the side films. There were, however a bunch of annoyances that bugged me:

    The film felt so rushed, there was so many scenes from IV to get in that there was too little time to spend with anyone, especially when we realise some of them wont be seen again. Why didnt they just leave out the whole death star thing? Its pretty clear the First Order are bad guys, leave their superweapon for another time and replace the battle scene with something else (maybe fighting over the second half of the map that appears by deus ex machina (pun intended) at the end …). This would save a few scenes that add nothing and give time for Phasma or something. It would also prevent us from having to ask why a stormtrooper knows how to blow up this magical superweapon …

    Also on the more minor note, why were there only X-wings? and why were there only basic TIEs? I was really looking forward to new cool versions of the A and B wing. A cool red, black and silver Interceptor would be the best thing ever …

    • Shadow says:

      I disliked the lack of ship porn as well, aside from that new class of Star Destroyer. Don’t know why they chose to update the basic TIE, ignoring the Bomber and Interceptor, and keep the (also updated) X-Wing separated from its A, B and Y buddies.

  5. PancakeWizard says:

    Finn was my MVP. I’d watch the Finn, Han, Chewie and Poe show forever.

    Rey wasn’t bad, Kylo was ok in a weird creepy way, Snoke was fucking awful, Hux was fun, Phasma was fine, we know she’s getting more screen time later, BB-8 was great fun, Leia was ok, just a little more world weary than I expected her to be. Maz was fine.

    Abrams does his usual trick of glossing over important detail, considering it secondary to spectical, and the final scene should just never have happened. Worst. Helicopter Shot. Ever.

    It’s a solid enough film, and I’m a little more forgiving of it knowing it’s laying some groundwork for some non-Abrams movies and that it did have some great dialogue and action.

  6. OscarWilde1854 says:

    Film reviews now? I’m so tired of hearing about this movie… and now I have to hear about it on a PC gaming website? Awesome. Anything for a few extra clicks I suppose.

    • GWOP says:

      Next what, RPS? Cats marrying dogs?

    • Dicehuge says:

      *clicks on a movie review*
      “this is madness. why the hell am i being forced to read a movie review?!”

    • Sabbatai says:

      Star Wars is kind of a big deal to a lot of gamers. Especially PC gamers who grew up in the early 80’s and may have seen the first film when they were very young in the late 70’s.

      You aren’t being made to read this. What harm did it do to you? Could you really not resist the urge to click the button to read more?

      You are free to visit any number of other sites, or start your own.

    • typographie says:

      Including your click, apparently.

  7. Shadow says:

    The Force-sensitive character living in the desert planet, who ends up escaping from the imperials aboard the Millennium Falcon, travelling towards the rebel base and taking a droid with vital information to them. From there they stage a fight against the superweapon which is about to destroy them and has already destroyed something very important which couldn’t even defend itself. Worse than Alderaan, it’s apparently the entire Republic, which somehow only spanned 4-5 planets…

    There’s new stuff and characters, obviously, but there’s that narrative skeleton in there, which could’ve been more different. It’s as if they started off with that structure and tried to mod the hell out of it, adding twists and content. But not enough.

    As I said, I liked it and all, but I expected more innovation. They took a pretty conservative approach, and the movie almost ended up like more of a retelling of Episode IV than a sequel to the original trilogy.

    I really hope the next movie isn’t The First Order Strikes Back, complete with an “I’m your brother!” scene.

    • Shadow says:

      Whoops, somehow deleted my first line:

      “I liked it overall, and it felt quite Star Wars-y. But my main criticism is that it stuck far too close to A New Hope’s formula:”

    • Crimsoneer says:

      This. It’s great fun, but plays it a little too safe.

    • MisterFurious says:

      I expected it to be a complete rehash of the first movie and that’s exactly what it was. That’s what JJ Abrams does. He just mimics old movies. The guy doesn’t have an ounce of originality in him. I had no plans to watch this damn thing but people kept going on and on about how good it was, so I gave it a chance, but it’s a pretty bad movie. I think people still have their Nostalgia Goggles on. I took mine off while watching ‘Revenge of the Sith’ and have never looked back.

  8. udat says:

    I couldn’t quite wrap my head around the super-weapon. How it was meant to work.

    Was the “super laser” an interstellar hyperspace MIRV weapon? So it can blast multiple planets in other solar systems from itself?

    But it needs to eat an entire star to charge up every time it fires? So where do they plan to get all these stars? Can the planet fly to new solar systems to recharge?

    I generally liked it. It was well put together. It had a physicality to it that I liked and perfectly returned to the “used universe” of the original films rather than the shiny, sterile and artificial prequels.

    Rey was the stand-out character for me, closely followed by Chewie. Han’s fate was unfortunately telegraphed very badly. I wish they’d saved that confrontation and outcome for early in the next film.

    • LaurieCheers says:

      Yeah, that bothered me too. We established that the weapon consumes stars, but it was already fired once and the sun’s still there. So, clearly it doesn’t consume a _whole_ star for every shot. (And really, how could it? Our star is a million times larger than the earth)

      And then Han’s like “you’ll know it’s ready to fire when the sun’s gone”… uh, Han, clearly one of us misunderstood the briefing? I guess it was me.

      • Zekiel says:

        I’d assumed the StarKiller had moved to another star system between scenes, like the Death Star somehow does in A New Hope. I guess. How a planet does that I have no idea.

    • MisterFurious says:

      You’re not supposed to think about it, man! Just watch the lasers go PEW! PEW! PEW! and all the stuff blow up real good!

  9. sysdefect says:

    The parallels may have been a bit on the nose at times but I’m not disappointed and I don’t feel like it was sheerly a phone home cash in. It fits into the notions of cyclical destiny and the monomyth already embedded in the universe. Their world is bound by these recurring archetypes but it’s taken however many years for the cycle to repeat; the new generation. I semi felt that at least Han had to be self aware in his role. Episode IV is tight on its own but is really the rising action; naturally, as its own act 1 of 3. Importantly, I feel that episode 8 could go anywhere from here and there are just enough seeds of differentiation. I hope there is a new dynamic with Poe being larger than another Wedge.

  10. JuergenDurden says:

    i liked the movie and i agree with most of this but my main problem is: why is this on rps?

  11. Jetsetlemming says:

    I loved the new characters so much. Rey and Finn and Poe were a joy to me, literally just filled my heart with cheer that the Christmas season used to before adult pessimism kicked in. I love the 100% lack of jadedness of all of them, and the thematic elements from Rey and Finn of rejecting social roles that have been prescribed for them to self actualize as their own persons.
    I’ve seen analysis of Rey being a feminist character, but not much of Finn, including some stuff using Finn’s moments of wanting to help as examples of “Chivalry,” but the dude was kidnapped as a baby and literally had no name and was surrounded by people in full body armor all the time. Where you think he learned gender roles? No, I saw him more innocently, as still child-like in his interactions with others (the hand holding really cinched that for me). He treated Poe with the same full hearted desire to help as he did Rey, with the addition of a building attraction to the later. They both, together, strike out from where the world has put them to be where and who they actually want to be, which is definitely a feminist narrative for both, imo.

    Mostly I just love Finn and wanted to share that. :)

    • JuergenDurden says:

      but does the movie pass the bechdel test…..

      smh

      • Zekiel says:

        I’m kind of assuming that’s sarcasm, but in case it isn’t – yes it does.

      • Sabbatai says:

        I know right? We have strong male characters in all of the Star Wars movies and the females all serve blue milk, have babies or are the sister of important male characters. What more do these women want?

      • Zelos says:

        But does that matter even remotely at all?

        (No, it doesn’t.)

    • Zekiel says:

      I really liked both Rae and Finn. I *loved* the Joss-Whedon-esque feminist bits like where Finn goes to rescue Rae when he first sees her and then she doesn’t need rescuing. I loved the fact that they both had some darkness in their past (her waiting for someone who isn’t coming back; his fear of the First Order and guilt about being part of it) which (in my opinion) gave them both a bit more depth than the original trilogy characters. I felt they were really good characters to follow throughout a new trilogy and I can’t wait to see more of their adventures.

    • MisterFurious says:

      How can you like Poe? He’s in the movie for about five minutes.

  12. somnolentsurfer says:

    Brick is such a good film.

    I came out wondering whether you’d actually be better off going into Force Awakens with no prior Star Wars knowledge. They go out of their way to explain everything so that you could, and you’d get the added bonus of not noticing the point where the fun call backs tip over into bullshit fan service.

    Had a wonderful time watching it though. Rey’s awesome. I liked how they humanised the Vader substitute quite early, and also didn’t Darth Maul him. The X-wings fighting over the jungle planet were spectacular. And it was funny. I didn’t expect it to be so funny.

    Can’t wait for the next on.

  13. somnolentsurfer says:

    Oh, also.

    Went into this at the point of being halfway through Jessica Jones.

    Rey’s little moment in the cell with the stormtrooper came over way creepier than I think it was intended to.

  14. mpcarolin says:

    I loved the film, what disappointed me most was the musical score. John Williams was there but without the soul of the original trilogy or the prequels (say what you want about them; the music was fantastic). None of the new compositions were particularly memorable, and many felt off — not quite hitting the right note for the emotion of the scene. Hopefully this improves in future episodes.

  15. PhilBowles says:

    “And there’s a particular event that I felt was telegraphed a mile off because it involved a character doing exactly the same thing as another character in one of the original films.” That describes most of the film, so doesn’t really narrow it down…

    Though I’d say Pip is spot on: “I’m not saying that to be a total dick about the prequels, it’s more that they felt like they bore no real relevance to Star Wars as a core thing.” If this film does one thing, it draws a neat dividing line between what is and isn’t Star Wars – in tone, setting, props and sets this is very much Star Wars and shows up everything in the prequels that isn’t. The pacing’s not great, the new characters other than BB-8 are bland, and such of the plot as there is is either a straight lift from the original or a mash-up of the plot from that and Return of the Jedi (itself basically the first official attempt to clone the first film’s) – but none of those are really fundamental to Star Wars, which has always been light on plot and characterisation (Han et al. were well-scripted and mostly well-portrayed, but ultimately they were pretty hackneyed action move archetypes from start to finish).

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    mickiscoole says:

    The nu cantina music was written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, who is the guy behind the excellent muscial “Hamilton”.

  17. derbefrier says:

    i loved it. it wasn’t without it faults but taken as a whole I though it was great. gonna go see it again in a few hours.

  18. MisterFurious says:

    They should’ve called this stupid thing “The Nostalgia Awakens”. It’s nothing but a rehash of the old movies. It’s dumb and I can’t for the life of me understand how people can be delusional enough to like it. Say what you want about the prequels (and they deserve all the crap they get), but at least they didn’t blow up another damn Death Star in them.

  19. Zelos says:

    The suggestion that the prequels aren’t relevant to star wars is absurd. When viewed as a whole, Star Wars is clearly Anakin’s story. I and II may have been awful, but they’re pretty important overall.

    Not only that, but much of the best stuff to come out of the franchise is based on the prequels. Republic Commando(and books), KoToR, Clone Wars. There’s still a lot of good EU content surrounding the original trilogy, but IMO it suffers from too much of Han and Luke idolizing.

    A similar problem that the new movie seems to have, actually.

    • Fade2Gray says:

      KOTOR isn’t based on the prequels. It’s was intentionally set thousands of years prior to any of the movies so that it could be it’s own thing.

  20. ragnarokx says:

    I have not the slightest idea how ppl can praise this blatant rebash.
    There is no innovation in this movie, its like the 80s all over again.
    20 X-Wings attack a Death Star 10 times the size of the old Death Star !?

    A rogue storm trooper uses a lightsaber and can actually withstand a trained “Sith” knight ?
    A kid experiences the force and overpowers a veteran dark side user ?
    Giant Death Star soaks up a suns energy…..

    This movie is a hollow shell of a movie and seriously people who think this movie is “awesome”, “great”, “amazing” dont know what a good movie, nor star wars is.

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      clem2k3 says:

      I get what you say about the rehash aspects and the silly death star, but each to their own opinion on the quality of the film. I thought it was good but wasn’t blown away. Ultimately the only real question when you leave the cinema is “Did I enjoy it?”, it seems you didn’t and others did.

      On the subject of the people beating Kylo Ren: What exactly makes you think he’s a veteran dark side user? He clearly has some serious force power (stopping a laser bolt) but none of the control of the other baddies (lightsabering the shit out of a room when he has a tantrum).This is precisely why I like him as a bad guy, he’s a little unhinged and unpredictable. Basically he comes across as half-trained with lots of natural power, easily believable that he is fought by a guy with some martial training but no lightsaber experience (who loses) and taken to a standstill by another force user (but not exactly beaten).

      • ragnarokx says:

        In my opinion, Kylo Renson was obviously a trained user. He did take orders from the new “emperor”, so i would say that its a very safe bet that he is trained in the force, by, in fact, the supreme badass.
        The new “emperor” even says right before the “event”, that Kylo Rens “final test” is about to begin and we shall see what happens etc.
        So Kylo DOES something and it probably strengthend his dark side aptitude, as far as perhaps being irreverable.

        I.e, the did pass his final test.
        So yes, a bloody rogue stormtroopers pick up a lightsaber and wields it and is almost on par with the evil guy that was trained by the emperor.
        Also, note that Ray DID beat Ren and was only saved due to the quake, it was no standstill at all.

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          clem2k3 says:

          Ok, I’ll take you point on the training, he is trained. But there is no implication that he is supremely powerful like the Darths. He is part of a different sect to begin with and Snoake seems to be the only other member. Theyre powerful in a world of non-jedi but who knows how they compare to the Sith and Jedi.

          I agree it was a bit annoying that Finn held his own when no other non-force user used a lightsaber (Han performing some light butchers work excluded) but at least you can buy that a stormtrooper should be able to fight. Rey on the other hand has the force, and its implied that she is trained but has forgotten or repressed the memories. She certainly knew how to weild her staff.

        • Zekiel says:

          I just figured you can explain everything with ~handwave~ “it was the Force”. So Finn can give Ren a good fight because he’s really determined and mumblemumbleForceaptitudemaybemumble. Rae can outright beat Ren because she has some sort of instinctual connection to the Force (I think she’s the only person we’ve seen in the films – apart from maybe Anakin a little bit in Episode 1? – who learned to use the Force by herself)

    • jonesthealiencat says:

      About the fight in the end, I may come off as too much of a fanboy here, but anywho, on a second viewing I don’t think that is too big of a stretch.

      Let me lay it out to you:

      1. He is no sith. When the new death star is collapsing Snoke tells Hux something like “Bring Kylo Ren to me – this time to finish his training”. I.e., his training is incomplete.

      2. We don’t know what kind of training he’s had. We don’t see him doing anything badassery with the lightsaber throughout the film, only force related stuff like the bolt in the opening scene.

      3. He was wounded by Chewie’s bolt to his hip/side. We know it’s a powerful weapon.

      4. He had just killed his father (possibly making him unstable and less good with using the force).

      5. He was in fact NOT trying to beat Ray at first. He says to her “you need training blalala come to the dark side”. After that she remembers she is force sensitive, taps into it, and surprises him.

      6. Ray is also retreating throughout the entire fight up until the point where she taps into the force. She is running from him and cutting down trees and obstacles and stuff for some time.

      7. On my second viewing it didn’t seem like Finn did that much resistance to be honest. He gets a lucky hit on Kylo’s arm or something, and is subsequently put to the ground pretty easily. This is despite the other points about Kylo being weakened.

  21. Sleepery says:

    I kept wanting to reach out and poke Carrie Fisher’s face to see if it would leave a dent.

  22. SuicideKing says:

    Yeah I think I generally agree with Pip on the movie, and I will not say why because these lines will show in the side bar. So after this filler material…

    Basically, too much stuff reused, plot points were almost entirely the same. It was fun, and there was comedy, but it was obvious who was mapping to who.

    A lot of the movie was cut too, and it needed more time with Maz who just kinda vanished abruptly.

    Not sure why Solo could operate a bowcaster, only wookies are supposed to be strong enough.

    Didn’t like Finn’s character much, kinda disappointed he didn’t die :P but his dynamic with Poe was indeed fun. And no, didn’t see how he automagically new how to wield a lightsaber. Would be natural to someone strong in the Force, but random stormtrooper in charge of sanitation?

    Rey on the other hand was super badass, and Poe came across as authentic. Han and Chewie were wonderful as always. I really wish Leia had more substance, didn’t come across as a General at all.

  23. clonex10100 says:

    The book goes over the agenda of the first order a lot better. The republic is more of a free space country, and they want to bring order back to the unvierse