View Full Version : Basic start point for XHTML and CSS?

28-06-2011, 07:15 PM
So the Linux help you guys gave was a big help to me.

I was wondering if anyone could point me to a website/offer a starting point to enable me to blag my way around XHTML (and CSS, though I seem to have found a good site for that -as in I can understand it and so far it is making sense).

Think I'll go and read some threads around here, sure there was mention of other software starting points such as Java (the system I'm dealing with is Java based, but I don't get to muck around with it to the best of my knowledge)

28-06-2011, 07:35 PM
http://www.w3schools.com/ is quite useful.

28-06-2011, 07:49 PM
Some basic HTML manual could get you to speed. Then you can learn a CSS manual. Then you could look outside, at pretty people, expensive cars, and learn to love good things. Theres a style of HTML that is "poor" and "ugly". And a style that is "elegant" and "pretty", and you want this one.

So you don't want XHTML, you want more like HTML5-ish (not really version 5, but some decent futureproff html). And of course, all the CSS that you can get.

Full disclosure: I am webmaster.

28-06-2011, 10:02 PM
+1 for W3schools.
I learn't lots of stuff off there. mostly PHP and SQL and I've touched on the CSS and HTML 5 on there and its a really nice and easy way of learning....

What are you learning to write with?
Because I have found netbeans which you can program the top few languages used (like Java web/phone/basic stuff, PHP, C/C++) and Also supports HTML 5 and CSS... Whats better is that it comes with Apache Tomcat (if you ever need to start writing in java and need a test enviroment) and its FREE

28-06-2011, 10:43 PM
I really enjoyed reading Head First HTML a few years ago. I'm not sure how current it is, but it's incredibly accessible and even fun!

28-06-2011, 11:33 PM
Once you're a little more advanced, Hardboiled Web Design (http://hardboiledwebdesign.com/) by Andy Clarke is pretty much essential. Awesome book talking about making the most of new web technologies now, along with stuff you're not likely to pick up from W3Schools.

29-06-2011, 08:12 AM
w3schools is a primary resource, but you'll likely want to know what you're wanting to do before you go there. I haven't really used it as anything but a look-up for stuff that I couldn't remember off the top of my head. I learned webdesign at college, so don't know if they have all the good stuff there, like to generally use divs, not tables, and so on...

29-06-2011, 11:37 AM
Apparently w3schools is not-so-reliable. I've just been starting out learning the best-practice-geared <a href="http://www.htmldog.com/">HTMLDog.com</a>, which has been very comfortable so far.

Jams O'Donnell
29-06-2011, 12:18 PM
w3schools is useful as a quick reference guide, but I don't think much of their tutorials.

29-06-2011, 02:09 PM
Please please please don't use W3Schools (http://w3fools.com/).

The suggested resources on that page are all top-quality. The Google code University is a nice tutoriall.

29-06-2011, 04:30 PM
Once you pick up on the basics of HTML and CSS, I'd start looking at open source Content Management Systems as well. WordPress is easy peasy to start working with, particularly if you start playing about with theme frameworks, and then you can build up to move involved stuff like Drupal.

21-11-2011, 09:42 PM
This post deserves a necro as a thank you to all.
This question and the much earlier linux one was to acquire enough xp to get a different job in my organisation.
I levelled up, and am going to be rolling a new character type very soon.

What I mean is, I got the new job -and yes it took this long, my workplace is glacial.
Thank you RPS (I think so anyway, my current job was fine but there was an opportunity so I took it).

Now, where do I go for a Java and SQL start point :)

21-11-2011, 10:36 PM
and as one of my major earlier posts suggests, get your hands on netbeans, for java stuff as it comes with apache tomcat, a copy of SQLYOG would help too as it's decent free stuff to manage databases

22-11-2011, 12:24 PM
And.... bookmarked :)

22-11-2011, 01:44 PM
Hehe, I also recently re-rolled, and am moving down a software developer route, with a distinct web-based focus. I'm already familiar with HTML and CSS, and recently self-taught myself javascript. Next stop will be learning Ruby on Rails, as its used for most the server side stuff in my new job.

One thing that is annoying me though is that the shift towards frameworks that allow for rapid prototyping means that so many tutorials will explain how to do something, without explaining why. Ruby on Rails for instance provides a huge framework, and means of rapidly creating a simple outline of your project. Unfortunately the tutorials often fail to identify exactly which bits of the framework are being used and any one stage, and where those bits exist. I've been using the poignant guide to Ruby to cover the basics of the language, but the framework tutorials are too fond of showing you what Ruby can do quickly, rather than teaching the fundamentals.

28-11-2011, 11:12 PM
and as one of my major earlier posts suggests, get your hands on netbeans, for java stuff as it comes with apache tomcat, a copy of SQLYOG would help too as it's decent free stuff to manage databases

Maybe think twice about it. I'm definitely not an expert on the subject but I did come across this website:


29-11-2011, 07:50 AM
Yup Estel said the same thing. I used htmldog for my 'learning' and liked it. A friend is even told to use it on her distance learning course. Isn't that great? Pay 9000 and they send you some links to free tutorials :(
The w3schools site has a nice trick of instantly changing some code and seeing the effect, so I sort of use that for messing around.

I'm thinking more of the netbeans download http://netbeans.org/ which seems pretty good.

03-12-2011, 12:27 AM
It would be of great use to you to get a few tools that can help you debug/check the validity of the HTML you produce. By far the best browser for this is firefox - get the following addons installed for it:

Web Developer
HTML Validator

Firebug especially is an absolute godsend, I think Opera has some of its features out of the box. This can really help you understand the structure of you pages and lets you adjust CSS dynamically on the page.

As far as IDEs go I didn't really like any of the ones I tried and if you really want to learn the nitty gritty you may be better off with something which doesn't do too much for you. I don't have particularly great things to say about Dreamweaver although I haven't really used any of the later versions - I will say that the design view I was exposed to produced a lot of poor HTML. I used Notepad++ for HTML development for a few years (Visual Studio now though but I wouldn't specifically recommend it as an HTML editor as such).

03-12-2011, 03:19 PM
W3schools, definitely.