So, in conclusion, mashakos once again brings a thread down by having terrible taste in just about everything.
Jimmy Carr makes me smile.
I like Dave Chappelle. I like Louis CK. I like Denis Leary. I like--
I like pretty much every comedian out today. I think it would be easier to list the comedians I don't like rather than the ones I do.
I don't like Jeff Dunham. I don't like Daniel Whitney. I don't like Leo Gallagher.
Bonus points if you can succinctly summarize why.
Egh Jeff Dunham is terrible i watched one of his youtube clips and the joke was that chinese people spak funny and also maybe sometimes own chinese resturants. Wow comedy gold there! and no he is not doing it because hes ironic and saying it through a puppet to say some clever thing...
completely missed the point when they tried to understand why he was a) offensive and b) rich.
I thought it was self-evident: It's the audience, stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTimes
1) Jay Leno is a middle-brow late-night comic whose audience consists of the same middle Americans he's lampooning.
2) Lewis Black, who is Jewish, was speaking to Jon Stewart, who is Jewish, and both frequently resort to self-deprecating humor.
4) Archie Bunker was a character who was purposefully written as regressive and racist. The show was about bringing him around towards a more tolerant worldview.
6) is a fucking documentary.
Look at the audiences. Dave Chappelle's audience is always a mixed crowd. So is Gabriel Iglesias'. So indeed are most audiences for stand-up. But look at Jeff Dunham's: Suddenly you see a monolithic demographic of white mid-western conservatives.
So what's the difference? It's the difference between laughing at us and laughing at them. Most comedians' skits are "aren't we ridiculous? Let's take the edge off." Dunham's (or Larry the Cable Guy, or Carlos Mencia) is "look at these assholes." His entire career is based off of singling out otherness and hating it. He's offensive because there's a clear demarcation between his audience and his targets.
He's popular for that very reason. Watch enough comedians and you realize that it's very rare to have a comedian who's not liberal. After all, most observational humor - the staple of stand-up comedians - is social commentary wrapped in a deep swatch of satire. But observe how ridiculous society is for a living and you can't help but realize we're all in the same (shitty) situation, and ultimately of the same stock. As such, even insult comics are generally smart enough to bring the butt of the joke in on the joke: Lisa Lampanelli and Jeff Ross, to say nothing of the venerable Don Rickles, are, despite their acts, not at all mean-spirited. At the end of the day, it's quite clear that they and their targets are of the same (very inclusive) crowd.
Conversely, Dunham's audience don't want that. They're the ones who are turned off by most of the comedians out today - the vanguard of a worldview that dispels their own, and therefore a threat - and so they seek confirmation, and he gives it in spades. He created a dead Arab terrorist to capitalize on hatred of Muslims. He created a big-lipped Black pimp to capitalize on the hatred of a Black president. He created a talking Jalapeno to capitalize on the hatred of immigrants. He's a red-state entertainer, and because there's so very few of those, he gets to print his own money.
But like Fox News "experts," it's all blood money.
That wasn't exactly succinct, but spot-on Nalano.
Very well said, anyway.
a bit sophomoric, but made me laugh
Warning: If you don't like strong language then don't watch!
Bill Burr is pretty hilarious
He's such an absolute gent too, spent the rest of the night just mingling with the crowd and giving everyone a chance to talk to him.
First time watching Reginald D. Hunter and I'd have to agree about the brilliant part. Weird that he's never been on my comedy radar here in the US. Does he perform strictly in Europe?
He gets a lot of air time on British shows. He's a regular on panel game shows like QI and 8 out of 10 Cats for sure. I don't know about the rest of Europe.