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    what is your dream Country?

    what is your dream Country?

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    As much as its a class ridden grey skyied land. The one I live in. Or at least the urban north of it.

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    Middle Earth

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    I have no idea why, never been there, only know a few friends that came from there and the only thing I know is probably exagerated and wrong. But I would love to live in Norway.

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    The America that exists in batman. because batman..

    I'm also partial to Vietnam.

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    Real ones? The one I live in, the UK, as I speak the language and like the NHS.

    Ones I dreamed up: Independent City State of London, the UK minus all the people I dislike (posh English people and chippy people who slag off London) or yknow the entire world being one country as nationstates are so fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    Real ones? The one I live in, the UK, as I speak the language and like the NHS.

    Ones I dreamed up: Independent City State of London, the UK minus all the people I dislike (posh English people and chippy people who slag off London) or yknow the entire world being one country as nationstates are so fucking stupid.
    I've no theoretical problem with london. Just london as part of the UK. ;)

    I don't have a dream country that actually exists, as all the countries we have that exist are utter shite tbh. But I'm open to the idea of moving to the netherlands or something, as it seems a bit nicer than here. At the very least, it's inarguably better than where I am in one significant respect. I can get to most places in the world that I would like to visit from there on a train with relatively little effort.
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    Yeah they are all pretty stupid. Picking the UK is no patriotism thing though, I just like the UK as I speak the language, the NHS is good, I like fish and chips and go to pubs. Only other place in the world with pubs is Ireland and I get miserably homesick without pubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    Real ones? The one I live in, the UK, as I speak the language and like the NHS.

    Ones I dreamed up: Independent City State of London, the UK minus all the people I dislike (posh English people and chippy people who slag off London) or yknow the entire world being one country as nationstates are so fucking stupid.
    Hold on....

    Don't most of the posh people live in London and the SE? Although the idea of some refugee camp just south of Birmingham hosting all the Giles & Pippas does amuse. They could do integration classes about shopping in ASDA, Argos & Greggs, how to not get a smack in the mouth in a northern pub etc..

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    Temperamentally speaking, I've always thought myself more suited to cooler climes (and possibly other centuries). The world is a lonely, cruel, and starkly beautiful place, sentiments that are difficult to reconcile with sunshine and flip-flops in 21st century suburbia. Although the interior of the continent has its possibilities, it is foreign to me as it is to most Australians. Australia theoretically has "a fair go" and irreverence to authority in its national blood, but you would be hard pressed to find trace of either these days.

    ....

    At least H. P. Lovecraft knows where he is from:

    “I am a chalk-white, bulky Teuton of the Scandinavian or North-German forests; a Viking berserker killer; a predatory rover of Hengist and Horsa; a son of the thunders and the arctic winds; a drinker of foemen's blood from newly picked skulls; a comrade of the wolves, feeder of seacoast vultures and rider of nightmares; a blond beast of eternal snows and frozen oceans; a prayer to Odin and Thor and Alfadur, the raucous shouter of Niffelheim! Aye, I speak truly, for was I not born with yellow hair and blue eyes?”

    (Note that I have edited the quote from its original form in order to please what pass for my aesthetic sensibilities.)

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    As someone with an interest in history, international relations, and indeed humanity more broadly, the two nations I find most interesting are probably India and Russia. Besides the United States, which is of course both vitally important to understand (as a doctor must understand an illness) and impossible to avoid in any case, the foreign nation I engage with most broadly on a regular basis is probably India, which is not to say I'd prefer to live there, or indeed in any of the many other nations I find fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    I have no idea why, never been there, only know a few friends that came from there and the only thing I know is probably exagerated and wrong. But I would love to live in Norway.
    Norway is very nice as long as you don't mind the winters.

    I'm quite happy where I am; Sweden is nice and peaceful for the most part. I should probably migrate north over the summers though, as I suffer as soon as the temperature climbs above 25 degrees. I don't understand how you southerners can stand it.

    If we can do fantasy-lands, I'd still be quite happy here, but it'd be nice if we could give the southernmost bit back to the Danes, as that'd rid us of about half the racist population and the most horrible accent in one go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    Ones I dreamed up: Independent City State of London, the UK minus all the people I dislike
    Quote Originally Posted by Skalpadda View Post
    I'm quite happy where I am
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    The one I live in.
    This is what I expected in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Temperamentally speaking, I've always thought myself more suited to cooler climes (and possibly other centuries). The world is a lonely, cruel, and starkly beautiful place, sentiments that are difficult to reconcile with sunshine and flip-flops in 21st century suburbia. Although the interior of the continent has its possibilities, it is foreign to me as it is to most Australians. Australia theoretically has "a fair go" and irreverence to authority in its national blood, but you would be hard pressed to find trace of either these days.

    ....

    At least H. P. Lovecraft knows where he is from:

    “I am a chalk-white, bulky Teuton of the Scandinavian or North-German forests; a Viking berserker killer; a predatory rover of Hengist and Horsa; a son of the thunders and the arctic winds; a drinker of foemen's blood from newly picked skulls; a comrade of the wolves, feeder of seacoast vultures and rider of nightmares; a blond beast of eternal snows and frozen oceans; a prayer to Odin and Thor and Alfadur, the raucous shouter of Niffelheim! Aye, I speak truly, for was I not born with yellow hair and blue eyes?”

    (Note that I have edited the quote from its original form in order to please what pass for my aesthetic sensibilities.)

    ....

    As someone with an interest in history, international relations, and indeed humanity more broadly, the two nations I find most interesting are probably India and Russia. Besides the United States, which is of course both vitally important to understand (as a doctor must understand an illness) and impossible to avoid in any case, the foreign nation I engage with most broadly on a regular basis is probably India, which is not to say I'd prefer to live there, or indeed in any of the many other nations I find fascinating.
    Lovecraft was a nazi sympathiser. The language used there is very "Aryan"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    This is what I expected in this thread.
    I would rather live in a city abroad than the countryside here though. I've no love for "little england"

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    Quote Originally Posted by karaquazian View Post
    Lovecraft was a nazi sympathiser. The language used there is very "Aryan"
    Of course. It's romantic, evocative, and altogether terrifying, although Cormac McCarthy can give him a run for his money:

    "Where hunters and woodcutters once slept in their boots by the dying light of a thousand fires and went on, old teutonic forebears with eyes incandesced by the visionary light of a massive rapacity, their brains stoked with spoorless analogues of all that was, lean aryans with their semitic chapbook reenacting the dramas and parables therein and mindless and pale with a longing that nothing save dark's total restitution could appease." (Suttree)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skalpadda View Post
    If we can do fantasy-lands, I'd still be quite happy here, but it'd be nice if we could give the southernmost bit back to the Danes, as that'd rid us of about half the racist population and the most horrible accent in one go.
    YES! And then give the Danes back to Satan.

    But yeah, I'm quite happy where I am. Sweden is in no way perfect, but I can't think of a place that is better, tbh. I'm not really all that fond of Swedes, though. Norway would be nice too, but I'm pretty sure they have worse weather (better people, though). I guess I'll put New Zealand up there as well, but I haven't been there, so it's probably all brain washing from the New Zealand tourism board or something. Besides, it's too far away from everyone I know. Perhaps Canada as well, but again, far.

    Basically, what I want is comfortable temperature (mild, with actual seasons), varied nature, good economy, democracy and good people. Oh, and to be able to communicate.

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    I hesitate between two different kinds of country. On one hand I would like to live in a country that has longer and more severe winters. It's always a gamble whether we'll get snow in a given year here, and I love snow, so something like northern Scandinavia sounds appealing in that respect.
    On the other hand I've always enjoyed the combination of tropical weather with a fresh ocean breeze found in the Caribbean. I find it very relaxing - you can practically live outside on your gazebo or terrace and I even start to walk slower when I'm there.
    I'm a city dweller at heart though, so living in the countryside isn't really an option anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L_No View Post
    I hesitate between two different kinds of country. On one hand I would like to live in a country that has longer and more severe winters. It's always a gamble whether we'll get snow in a given year here, and I love snow, so something like northern Scandinavia sounds appealing in that respect.
    On the other hand I've always enjoyed the combination of tropical weather with a fresh ocean breeze found in the Caribbean. I find it very relaxing - you can practically live outside on your gazebo or terrace and I even start to walk slower when I'm there.
    I'm a city dweller at heart though, so living in the countryside isn't really an option anywhere.
    I didn't realize we were being serious...
    I'm kind of the same... the little I know about Sweden sounds great, but I'd also love to live on a carribean island or the coast of mexico, or even somewhere coastal in spain.
    That said, I'm currently missing the UK countryside and summer a lot. (Which is basically Middle Earth)

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    Quote Originally Posted by karaquazian View Post
    Hold on....

    Don't most of the posh people live in London and the SE? Although the idea of some refugee camp just south of Birmingham hosting all the Giles & Pippas does amuse. They could do integration classes about shopping in ASDA, Argos & Greggs, how to not get a smack in the mouth in a northern pub etc..
    London is surrounded by the SE, it's not part of it. Hertfordshire and Kent aren't in London and vice versa. An independent London would have a massive wall around it to keep the posh little englanders from the home counties out.

    EDIT: We'd also invade Essex for lebansraum in the east.

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    A few other nation-related quotes from my collection -- which, of course, all speak to the mythologies that are the inevitable subject of this thread -- and because I feel like it:

    “This is the story of fifty years in which Britain struggled to reconcile the past she could not forget with the future she could not avoid. A story of an attitude to history itself and to a question: could Britain accept that her modern destiny was to be a European country?” (Hugo Young)

    “There is a richness and diversity to the American past that most of us have never registered. Much of it has been buried, it seems, because it could not be separated from all that had to be forgotten.” (Patrick Smith)

    "The tendency to gather and to breed philosophers in universities does not belong to ages of free and humane reflection: it is scholastic and proper to the Middle Ages and to Germany.” (George Santayana)

    “The conflict between Church and State was not only a conflict between clergy and laity; it was also a renewal of the conflict between the Mediterranean world and the northern barbarians. The unity of the Church echoed the unity of the Roman Empire; its liturgy was Latin, and its dominant men were mostly Italian, Spanish, or southern French. Their education, when education revived, was classical... The Church represented at once continuity with the past and what was most civilized in the present.” (Bertrand Russell)

    “We cannot play the part of China, and be content to rot in ignoble ease within our borders, taking no interest in what goes on beyond them, sunk in a scrambling commercialism; heedless of the higher life, of aspiration, toil and risk, busying ourselves only with the wants of our bodies for the day, until suddenly we should learn what China has already learned: that in this world such a nation is bound, in the end, to go down before other nations which have not lost their manlier qualities. If we are to be a great people, we must strive to play a great part in the world.” (Theodore Roosevelt)

    “It was presumptuous of me to imagine that I could unveil India and find out what she is and what she has been. Today she is four hundred million men and women, each differing from the other, each a private universe of thought and feeling. If this is so in the present, how much more daunting to grasp that multitudinous past of innumerable successions of human beings. Yet something has bound them together and binds them still. About India there is the elusive quality of a legend of long ago; some enchantment seems to have held her mind. She is a myth, an idea, and yet real and pervasive.” (Jawaharlal Nehru)

    “Back of our robberies by sea and land, our lusts and violence and all the evil things we have done, there is a certain integrity, a sternness of conscience, a melancholy responsibility of life, a sympathy and comradeship and warm human feel which is ours, indubitably ours, and which we cannot teach to the Oriental as we would teach logarithms or the trajectory of projectiles. Though we have strayed often and far from righteousness, the colossal fact of our history is that we have made the religion of Jesus Christ our religion. No matter how dark in error and deed, ours has been a history of spiritual struggle and endeavour.” (Jack London)

    “In spite of all our glib talk to the contrary, we know nothing of the Japanese. It is a weakness of man to believe that the rest of mankind is moulded in his own image, and it is a weakness of the white race to believe that the Japanese think as we think, are moved to action as we are moved.” (Jack London)

    “What of England? Is the heart that once was hers still strong to dare and to resolve and to endure? How shall we know? By the test. That which God has given for the trial of peoples: the test of war. The shadow of conflict greater than any mankind has known since Attila and his Huns is visibly impending over the world. Almost can one hear the gathering of the legions, a sound as vast as the trumpet of the Lord of Hosts." (H. W. Koch, quoting 'a darwinian crackpot', 1890s)

    “Russia, Russia — unwashed, backward Russia, so ashamed of your own backwardness, so orientally determined to conceal it from us by clever deceit. So sensitive and so suspicious in the face of the wicked, civilized west. I shall always remember you pumping hot water into our sleeping car in the frosty darkness of a December morning in order that we might never realize to how primitive a land we had come.” (George Kennan)

    The assembly has just dispersed;
    The smoke still rises from the burnt candle;
    The footprints on the sands of India still say
    A graceful caravan has passed this way.
    (Altaf Hussein Hali, on the fall of the Mughal Empire to the British)

    "France cannot be France without greatness.” (Charles de Gaulle)

    “Eurasianist thought emphasises an alternative world of Russian ambitions and culture, a mystical sense that Russia represents a more profound and spiritual project than the West. Above all, it preaches that Russia shares a place in the deeper traditions of Asia, which bestow upon it a special role and mission in world history – a Russian ‘Manifest Destiny’.” (Graham Fuller)

    “More than most, Spain is a nation founded on corpses." (Brian Patrick Eha)

    “I will go to Europe. I know well enough that I am going only to a Churchyard, but I know too that the Churchyard is dear, very dear to me. Beloved dead lie buried there. Each headstone tells of a life so ardently lived, so passionate a belief in its own achievements, its own truth, that I know – even now I know – I shall fall down and kiss those stones and weep over them.” (Fyodr Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karazamov)

    “Saudi Arabia is not an easy place to like. But God created Arrakis to train the faithful, right?” (Gary Brecher)

    “He had the kind of face—long thin nose, long chisel-face—that African cartoonists use when they’re making caricatures of Europeans. To them, it’s a scary, alien face, and I’m not about to disagree.” (Gary Brecher)

    "Hades, n. [...] Amongst the ancients the idea of Hades was not synonymous with our Hell. Indeed the Elysian Fields themselves were a part of Hades, although they have since been removed to Paris." (Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary)

    "Mother of human energies, strewn with the ruins of a Titanic past, Persia has slipped out of the vivid world, and the simplicity of her landscape is the fine simplicity of death [….] the East looks to itself; it knows nothing of the greater world of which you are a citizen, asks nothing of you and of your civilisation." (Gertrude Bell)
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