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Thread: Maggie Thatcher is dead
08-04-2013, 09:36 PM #41
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Say what you want, at least she stopped the trains running on time.
08-04-2013, 10:30 PM #42
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09-04-2013, 12:22 AM #47
Well at least Have I Got News For You won't be short of material for a while.
The BBC has just informed me that before his release from prison, Thatcher regarded Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, then suddenly back-pedalled into a supportive stance.
09-04-2013, 12:41 AM #48
the United States only took him off its Terror Watch List in 2006. But that he was seen as such is not completely crazy either; the ANC was definitely not a book club, and you have to consider politicians of certain affiliation back then were rather hyper-sensitive about those evil, world-revolution planning 'communists'.
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the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free". ~ Luke 4:18
09-04-2013, 01:27 AM #49
09-04-2013, 01:55 AM #50
She hated femists. Not declaring my hate for her because I'm too young too truly hate as the people who grew up in her time did, but some people have only found out about her and hate her because she's a politician and not for what actually happened. It's sort of sad all round.steam: sketch
09-04-2013, 01:57 AM #51
I'm about as middle class as they come, and was only born in the Miners Strike, so personally I felt nothing around the era.
But her ideological zealotry flattened my heritage and damaged both it and those who still lived in that tradition, which was most of the region's population.
Not only that, but it crushed the very stability and values that it promoted that allowed me to be one of the only three on my side of the family to escape The Pits in two hundred years. Sunderland, where I was born, and the surrounding locale of County Durham, was just one of several regions out with the gilded South in the UK which was economically, socially and culturaly ravaged in the name of her crusade. That's plenty cause for anger in my books whether I was there or not.
The damage she did there is still not done, and the current bunch of successors are doing a pretty fine tribute act for those who missed out first time and further jabbing at the wounds she made.
09-04-2013, 02:47 AM #52
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Imagine, for a moment, that someone came to power in the UK and wanted to "spread the wealth" a little more fairly - get it in the hands of people who will create jobs and spend it here instead of stashing it abroad and so on.
To do this, they realise they must dismantle the currency to undermine the financial sector and corporations - put in place draconian tax collection regimes and suggests anyone who didn't want to play along could leave the country entirely.
Can you imagine that happening? I'm sure bankers, shareholders, investors, media owners etc. can't and neither could the hardworking people of the coal/steel and other industries who couldn't believe many quite viable businesses seemingly essential to us (shipbuilding, in particular, as we're a fucking island!!) would be wiped-out - but that's just what happened anyway!
To break the control that the unions exerted (which had been damaging the country for a long time - much as the greed of banks, corporations and other wealth tax-dodgers does now) entire industries were shutdown. Private investors weren't even allowed to get involved in most cases, just in case they allowed enough 'unionisation' to persist.
The ongoing cost of that is staggering in losses the UK in tax terms, investment in areas gutted of work and benefits paid-out and in a total loss of faith in the Police (who basically billy-clubbed anyone she told them to) and yet people say she "saved the country" and I'm not standing for it.
The hagiography which will be written in the next few weeks cannot be permitted to grow roots anymore than when Blair/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al die, their legacy cannot be anything other than 'warmonger, liar, greedy bastard, idiot'.
Thatchers US crony was, of course, Ronnie Reagan - he suffered the same journey into lalaland that she did but he was such a massive bloody idiot that all people really remembered him for was acting with a monkey!! At least they didn't claim he 'saved the country' eh?
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09-04-2013, 03:03 AM #53
That said, and even though I'm Australian and she never had anything to do with me, I'm not sorry to see her go. I won't be getting shitfaced over it, but she was definitely not a good politician. I'm fairly centrist with a slightly right lean (so far away from the left-wing kiddies today preaching at us from Twitter) but even I find her abhorrent.
Of course coal and mining is evil (according to the same left kiddies) so it does sort of amuse me when they decry the destruction of mining and then go and call for it because it's killing the planet.Nalano's Law - As an online gaming discussion regarding restrictions grows longer, the probability of a post likening the topic to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea approaches one.
Soldant's Law - A person will happily suspend their moral values if they can express moral outrage by doing so.
09-04-2013, 03:14 AM #54
It seems kind of in bad taste to celebrate the death of anyone (short of Hitler or Ted Bundy) but I've been pretty nauseated with most of the coverage I've heard over here (in Canada). After calling her 'divisive' or somesuch most of the reports only summarize positive stuff she did. I'd really celebrate if the policies she championed died with her but unfortunately they seem alive and well and our current PM is a real Thatcher protege.
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09-04-2013, 03:17 AM #55
I wonder sometimes if you honestly believe that the world prior to your existence has no bearing on your present situation.
Supply-side is crony capitalism. As Chomsky would say, Capitalism is crony capitalism.
But as I said before, it's not that capitalism doesn't work. Capitalism works fine, if only we didn't have to feed all these people.
09-04-2013, 03:32 AM #56
09-04-2013, 03:43 AM #57
I was born in 81, so just about remember Thatcher being the British PM. The vast majority of recent history I've learned has come from seeking it out myself and the news media largely seem to consider anything that happened more than 10 years ago to be irrelevant, so I'm not surprised that many don't know much about her.
09-04-2013, 04:20 AM #58
09-04-2013, 04:31 AM #59
Well that's the point I was ambling towards. You're not given any reasons or tools to properly set modern life in a context of history by schools or the media. It's an active choice you have to make on your own initiative, which is a disaster.
09-04-2013, 05:02 AM #60