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Thread: What book are you reading?
16-05-2012, 11:50 PM #961
I'm not going to defend religion here, and I don't want to derail this thread. But the God Delusion really rubbed me up the wrong way. Read Dawkins' The Greatest Show On Earth, or Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian, or William James' Varieties Of Religious Experience. Much more value in them.
Last edited by Keep; 17-05-2012 at 12:07 AM.Free speech don't mean unchallengeable speech.
17-05-2012, 02:35 AM #962
Part 2: Shit, we've have treatises on how religions in general (and Abrahamic religions in specific) have been destructive on a societal scale for a very long time now. Hell, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire was also written in the 70s. the 1770s.
And tolerance towards intolerance is untenable.
17-05-2012, 05:20 AM #963
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Eisenhorn by Dan Abnett, a trilogy I can recommend with confidence. Christ I wish all the Warhammer 40k books were written by him. I tried reading the Horus Heresy line of books but couldn't stand the prose of other authors.
17-05-2012, 09:15 AM #964
I'm completely for secularism. Religion is a personal thing, it cannot be 'allowed' to interfere with civic matters.
17-05-2012, 03:24 PM #965
I admit, there aren't many books that could make me go on reading it for hours end and I'm pleasantly surprised that Howl's Moving Castle managed to get me hooked. I've already finished half the book and it keeps getting better and better.
17-05-2012, 03:40 PM #966Free speech don't mean unchallengeable speech.
17-05-2012, 05:55 PM #967
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Keep I'd be interested to hear your stunning elaboration. Start a new thread.
I really agree with the idea that the most harmless acceptance of a ludicrous concept indirectly supports the most harmful applications/expressions of said concept. The exact same amount of evidence is available for the material existence of both interpretations after all.
17-05-2012, 06:02 PM #968
I too am up for an old fashioned, knock-down drag-out religion thread, because I hate myself, the world and everything in it.
Seriously though make that thread.
17-05-2012, 06:45 PM #969
18-05-2012, 12:15 AM #970
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18-05-2012, 05:22 AM #971
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Zizek, The Sublime Object of Ideology
21-05-2012, 02:24 PM #972
Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson. a bit impressed by this I got to say. 1300 pages, and there doesn't seem to be anything superfluous to the story. Not many books of this length one can say that about. Very readable, if he can keep it up in the (rumored) next ten installments I'll be even more impressed.
22-05-2012, 10:52 PM #973
26-05-2012, 03:16 PM #974
Hey wot is all this misogyny doing here?
The Decline of the West - Spengler
The edition that I'm reading is inexplicably possessed of five -- five -- prefaces.
Robots and Empire - Asimov
A few pages here and there, when I have the time.
Religion is a personal thing, it cannot be 'allowed' to interfere with civic matters.
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26-05-2012, 03:43 PM #975
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Got the two Dan Brown titles I haven't read yet, Deception Point and Digital Fortress. Finished Digital Fortress, was kinda okay. Not on par with his other titles though. I'm like 30% through Deception Point, and I don't think this is going to any other locales other than Washington and the Arctic Circle.
Started reading Discworld recently, as I got the whole set from a friend. Kinda wierd, like Narnia and Middle Earth had a kid, and the aforementioned kid is on some really good weed...
26-05-2012, 03:51 PM #976
Currently reading the Steve Jobs bio that I got for Christmas 2011 ;) I've just started it, pretty good so far.
I'm also reading a book called "Steal this computer book" about phone phreakers, hackers etc on my iPhone when I'm out and about.
26-05-2012, 04:48 PM #977
27-05-2012, 04:05 AM #978
"To see the universal and all-pervading Spirit of Truth face to face one must be able to love the meanest of creation as oneself. And a man who aspires after that cannot afford to keep out of any field of life. That is why my devotion to Truth has drawn me into the field of politics and I can say without the slightest hesitation, and yet in all humility, that those who say that religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means."
"Thus it will be seen that for me there are no politics devoid of religion. They subserve religion. Politics bereft of religion are a death-trap because they kill the soul."
You can't push towards equality and human rights if religion is standing in the way.
Religion is the lens through which most of humanity investigates and defines their values. Remove those values from the social structure and what remains is a monstrosity of one form or another. One can't divorce religion from politics, and nor would one want to.
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27-05-2012, 05:22 AM #979
27-05-2012, 09:01 AM #980
If religion of any kind is influencing policy beyond secularist equality (e.g. all religions are seen equally but one has no importance over the other), then you're not pushing towards equality/human rights. Religions by their nature tend to be exclusive, not inclusive, but then you have the thing of "why is this religion seen as more important than that one?" or "why should their religion be influencing the laws but not mine?" and, as such, no equality there.
Religion's a personal choice. It's between you, the church/temples and your god(s) (as well as the more spiritual ones like Buddhism, it's still personal), not between you and the state. It should always be a personal thing - which the law does allow for the practice of - but it should not be allowed to interfere or influence civil policy.
And, oddly enough, I'm reading a Warhammer 40k novel - The Emperor's Finest by Sandy Mitchell. More Cain FTW.