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13-04-2014, 09:55 AM #261
So no surprise, everything develops naturally, and therefore, Ukraine's civil war broke out just like that.
This could have been avoided all together if the west is willing to put in real effort to force Russia to back down, yet no mircale occurs so far.
13-04-2014, 01:55 PM #262
16-04-2014, 04:08 PM #263
I've been following this Vice News on the ground documentary about the process. I find it's a good complement to other mainstream media coverage. It's worth watching from the beginning, but this is the last part for the moment:
17-04-2014, 05:52 PM #264
Please, they frame their 'narrative' right from the word go.
17-04-2014, 08:05 PM #265
that makes it more honest in my opinion. I find news sites that try to appear objective tend to be way more malicious and manipulative in their reporting.
Last edited by SirDavies; 17-04-2014 at 08:07 PM.
17-04-2014, 09:00 PM #266
17-04-2014, 11:18 PM #267
The conclusion from that is that there's nothing honest about media. Which is mostly true. I didn't say it was honest, I said I found it more honest than self proclaimed objective news outlets. If I had to grade it from 1 to 10 in terms of honesty, with 10 being a close friend and 1 being a politician on the week before election day, it would still be around 4, with more mainstream media probably sitting at 2. That doesn't mean that it can't have some informative value and offer interesting perspectives.
17-04-2014, 11:43 PM #268
18-04-2014, 03:22 AM #269
Are you implying that they took the "this is fooking scary" from a moment when he was complaining about how low the camera battery was and edited it in there to make you believe he was actually scared at that moment, or that he was just lying about being scared? I think making people accustomed (and thus less sensitive) to the bias is way more dangerous than wearing the bias on your sleeve. As you said, the editorial intent is there for all to see, it's called RUSSIAN ROULETTE: THE INVASION OF UKRAINE ffs!
So yeah, I consider it more honest in the sense that it is more straightforward about their bias and that makes it easier to discern what is their editorial opinion and what is the data. Of course looking exclusively at this documentary would be insufficient to get a clear idea of the whole situation, that's why I introduced it as "a good complement" to other news outlets.
Last edited by SirDavies; 18-04-2014 at 03:40 AM.
19-04-2014, 10:37 AM #270
19-04-2014, 10:50 AM #271
good points all around
04-05-2014, 05:36 PM #272
Media lost interest or something? There were clashes in Odessa with dozens of dead. Helicopters fired at Slavyansk. Two or three helicopters are confirmed to be shot down. Things are generally spiraling out of control. But as long as we don't invade it seems no one cares.
04-05-2014, 05:48 PM #273
I've seen some mentions in the international press. I'm in Romania and our press talks a lot about these events. I went to a bar yesterday and people were discussing the situation in Ukraine. There's a general feeling of dread around here.
04-05-2014, 06:13 PM #274
04-05-2014, 06:24 PM #275
BBC is doing very regular reporting, as is CBC, I don't know about other networks.
The last thing I personally read was the Ukraine military offensive that reportedly/allegedly left several "insurgents" dead, I guess that was the Odessa thing.
There is also quite a bit of reporting on the NATO troop movements in EU and military exercises in Poland I believe. I think Canada has already sent some CF18s (primarily air superiority, though can also be fitted with alternative equipment) and a small contingent of ground troops to participate in exercises.
04-05-2014, 06:32 PM #276
In Slavyansk there were atempts to encircle city and launch a CTO, apparently not much came out of it. Also Kiev-forces somehow managed to lose three helicopters. Again it's bizzare.
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04-05-2014, 08:48 PM #277
*There was a fairly good Economist article about how the first few incidents were following the exact same pattern as Crimea, but there's so many articles on the situation now and I get so tired of the comments on that site (Russian and Ukranian nationalist lunatics flinging death threats and ALL HAIL PUTINs back and forth) I can't be bothered to search for it.
05-05-2014, 12:58 AM #278
Yep deny everything even though its obvious its the russians since they have the most to gain from these people doing what there doing. Im just disgusted that the rest of europe is washing their hands or even some of them saying that Putin is right to do it...ergh!
05-05-2014, 01:06 AM #279
Similarly, there is a huge issue about The Crimea and if what Russia did was "legal". Except, that region has historically identified as Russian (in large part because Stalin murdered everyone who didn't...), and a big part of the riots in the Ukraine were about wanting to be able to choose the direction of the Ukraine.
So we basically have Europe and the rest of the non-Russian world washing their hands of this and just walking away. And we have Russia actually stepping in and "trying to stabilize and protect" the parts that it wants. Yes, there is a lot more bullshit going on, but Russia isn't the only group manipulating the people and "starting shit" to get their way. And as much as it sucks for anyone who doesn't want to be Russian, there IS something to be said for taking what could become a decade long shitstorm and nipping it in the bud by taking over.
That being said: Ignoring the warhawks who just hate Russia and blah blah blah, most of the sentiment I have seen boils down to "we aren't getting involved in this, it is too complicated and we have nothing to gain". Which sucks, but might be a smart move since UN intervention hasn't really helped other nations.
05-05-2014, 06:59 AM #280
The crisis is still one of the world news catching most of the international attention. It's just there is still no break through for all sides, and therefore there is no point reporting what the soldiers are doing in their trenches, isn't it?