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08-10-2016, 08:53 AM #1
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I've read and watched a few reviews of GoW 4 and it appears as though the move to PC is pretty good. The main problem for me is the price ... Is there another way to buy the game except direct on the Window Store at £50?
Console price without the ability to trade it in is just a big turnoff for me ... especially when you can see the console boxed copies being sold for less.
Same issue for Forza too.
With most steam games you can pick them up from a lot of other sites who are often far cheaper than Steam, but it's not a problem ... just punch in the key to Steam, download and play away - the only thing you lose is not being able to refund it and the new limitations on reviews (I can live with this). uPlay, GoG, etc are all the same. Does Microsoft have anything similar?
Any help/guidance or just thoughts over the move to buying digital only, but without any competition between outlets welcome.
08-10-2016, 09:33 AM #2
Seeing as both games you mention are "Play Anywhere" titles you can find vouchers with a key for the digital version. Thing is they're mostly sold at MSRP, and when not, the demand far outweighs the supply.
You might be able to buy GoW from anyone who've bought a nVidia within the last few weeks, but seeing as there's a buncha invalid keys from an Amazon mishap around, you have to be careful regarding those. Target had a pricing error on Forza, but it seems like most of those have been sold/activated by now.
It used to be possible to VPN your way to the cheaper regional Microsoft stores (India and a few others) - Whether that's still an option or not, I don't know, but it's your best bet.
08-10-2016, 10:33 AM #3
(Luckily, they make that easy... at least so far).
I'm also surprised that the EU hasn't gone after these platform-dominant stores in the same way they went after MS for internet explorer. I mean, I'm glad they did that because IE sucked... but it really didn't have much impact that we were defaulted to reading RPS through IE rather than Firefox.
But the fact that if you want to buy content for iPhone you have to get it through the apple store, if you want to get content for android you (almost) have to get it from Play store, etc... seems much more dangerous.
MS is clearly gunning for making the windows store the equivalent of the apple/play store... we just have to hope they never get it right... or at least not until the EU or somebody steps in.
08-10-2016, 12:20 PM #4
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Mainly because they own the hardware and software. MS was selling the software for general use/other peoples hardware. Thus they had no right to demand monopoly.
That and market share I guess. It's not a perfectly working system.It is a technical difference, but's there none the less.
08-10-2016, 09:13 PM #5
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I find it strange that you can get the XBONE version for £40 and you can then re-sell it, yet the PC version is digital only and £50 ...
Just doesn't seem right does it?
08-10-2016, 10:29 PM #6
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09-10-2016, 02:28 AM #7
I'd avoid the Microsoft store like the plague. THE PLAGUE. It's full of horrible and the few things even remotely worth considering (and thus considering the Windows 10 malware) are nowhere near worth the effort of trying to defang windows 10 (or YARR an upgrade to Enterprise to get the right tools to defang it cleanly).
09-10-2016, 04:01 AM #8
09-10-2016, 01:51 PM #9
I'd love to give Forza 3 a go, but I am not using Microsoft's Store. Nope. Plus, you need to update win10 to the Anniversary edition, which fecked up my whole pc when I updated to it and had to do a clean install with the previous 1511 release.
09-10-2016, 04:24 PM #10
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MS seem very keen to ensure that no-one with much sense uses their store. It's bizarre.
09-10-2016, 07:22 PM #11
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Cdkeys are selling it for £43.70 with the Facebook code. Not exactly cheap but it's something.
09-10-2016, 08:22 PM #12
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09-10-2016, 08:53 PM #13
As it's a Play Anywhere title what's to stop someone buying a physical copy for the XBONE, activating the key on the Windows Store and then selling the XBONE disc?
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09-10-2016, 10:45 PM #15
If I may ask, outside the scope of the original question, why the general dislike for the Windows Store?
I haven't used it much yet, the words I'd use for it are barren and desolate, though. Microsoft forcing it on us doesn't seem like a realistic prospect, that would trigger a massive backlash in the industry and, unavoidably, interventions.
You could not install them, I guess, but ultimately, for a reason or another (DirectX 12, obsolence, etc), it's either Windows 10 or switch to a different platform.
For anyone who plans to play whatever game they fancy when they fancy (and especially reviewers), the latter isn't a workable option - Mac OS X sucks as a gaming platform, and always had. Only Mac purists and those who struggle with Windows play on it - everyone else uses Bootcamp right?
The situation with Linux has greatly improved since it's been put on the map by Valve, but it's still far from having extensive coverage.
Even when support for alternative platforms is offered, I don't think it is available at launch all that often.
Disclaimer for those who may not know: I never liked Microsoft (and for many a year I refused to use Windows entirely) and disapproved their anti-competitive practices, I hated how aggressively they pushed Windows 10, and some of directions Windows has been taken towards. I don't think "they already know everything about you anyway" should even be considered a valid argument. Just being pragmatic, in short.
10-10-2016, 04:28 AM #16
There's forcing and there's forcing...
They can go down the Google route of citing security concerns and making people go into the advanced scary options to enable installing from non-approved sources... and 90% of people will never do that.
Plus they simply have the advantage of pre-installed homescreen real-estate.
As such, they don't need to make their store better than steam/whatever... they just need to make it non-horrendous so that people don't bother to go out and search out alternatives such as steam.
And once they have enough people locked in then they can basically do what they want.
Microsoft created one of the most open platforms... anyone can make a program for windows, upload it to the net, and people can download it and install it. But the MS that created that isn't the MS that exists now... and they've been trying to regain control of the platform for years now.
The windows 10 changes are their attempt to jump onto the iphone/android bandwagon... and one reason they'd likely want to do that is that apple/google get 30% of almost everything sold for those platforms.
Pretty sure MS want a piece of that action... and while I always expected they'd move there slowly and indirectly, the win10 debacle has shown that they're not above railroading people into it using underhand means either.
10-10-2016, 06:03 AM #17
That only tangentially answers my question, but I'll bite.
Want to play games on a PC and without to severely limit your choices? need a copy of Windows installed.
Now I don't want to pass as a Microsoft apologist, obviously there were other reasons for that move too :) However, UWP apps are in large part built using open standards. They took the criticism of 8's UI on board and adjusted.
I'm not saying that all of a sudden I trust Microsoft like a brother, but there have long been signs that they're trying to leave behind the abusive firm of the 80s and 90s. Ballmer has retired, he's not even on the board anymore.
I can't say for sure that corporate culture has improved, such changes are hard, from the outside and having not researched the topic, there appears to be trends towards a different climate and way of working.
a) mobile devices are still pretty horribly overpriced for what you're buying
b) they're very limited compared to a PC
c) inexpensive PCs that I can put in my pocket or bag and last way more than 3 hours - is this a dream?
and d) bonus track! Android takes an age to boot compared to Windows. I hate turning on an Android device, in fact, most people leave them on at all times exactly for that reason.
Windows has still a long way to go as a mobile OS but it's moving in the right direction. Plus, if you think it's going to help the trend towards dumbing down design ...Win32 isn't going away any time soon, because all of the development toolsets are there. I doubt there is a point or if it's even possible to transition the development ecosystem to UWP: as far as I understand it, universal apps have been designed to have limitations that Win32 aren't subject to.
I mean, nobody develops under Android and iOS, right? you use a PC, running a desktop-class OS.
So you have a system that plays nice and smooth with the computer illiterates and the non-technically minded, which is at the same time one flip of a switch away from turning into a full-fledged computer - that's a great idea actually and if I wanted to have rotten eggs thrown at me, I'd point out how it could potentially be a gateway into computers for those who would otherwise never even consider the jump.
As for the 'piece of the action', again, what's wrong with that? there is more than enough money on the table for everyone - and no need for Microsoft to kill anything that isn't UWP and lock down their store and turn into the next Apple (actually, it'd be interesting to check what the situation is on the Mac after the app store introduction - although there are significant differences so probably one needs to be careful drawing conclusions).
Debacle? we can discuss Microsoft's methods (hated them, although still a far cry from the worst Microsoft), and the reasons why this is the case, but ultimately Windows 10 has a pretty healthy market share now.
Some are still certainly scared by the legit flak Microsoft took (never enough) and the inevitable scaremongering, and have chosen to delay the inevitable (I'm not talking about those who consciously decide to not use Windows 10 out of privacy and other concerns; just the regular people who are otherwise OK with spilling tons of sensitive data on a zillion social networks), but that will pass.
It's also a significantly improved Windows than either 7 or 8, but it doesn't suffer from the stigma associated with Vista or 8, although one could point at either version as bringing significant architectural improvements to the OS, that were incorporated in successive releases.
Anyway, I don't think Valve is going to sit there and wait for MS to take their (wet) cake. (Neither the rest of the industry, FWIW.) Hell, look what you've done: now I feel like playing the Portal games again.
10-10-2016, 08:34 AM #18
I don't think I explained it very well.
- Gamers might be mostly locked in to Windows... but that's like saying android users are locked in to android.
Gamers aren't locked in to the MS Store, though I'm sure MS would like them to be. I can get software from Steam, from GOG, from sourceforge, from any website on the internet.
Contrast that with owning an iPad... how easily can you install software from anywhere other than the apple store? Or with owning an android device.. you can install from other stores, but you have to jump through hoops and ignore scary warnings to do it.
- They've made some positive and negative steps recently. But in the past their competitors were Macbooks... now their competitors are ipads and iphones. Their goal used to be to sell copies of Windows and Office, their goal now is to give away windows and make money through advertising, data-mining, microtransactions, storefronts etc...
In the past it was to their advantage that windows was as open as possible and they didn't care that they weren't getting a cut of every piece of software on windows, because they were getting the money for windows... I don't personally think that's the case anymore.
- More competition in the mobile space is fine, but I'm not really talking about the mobile space. The mobile space is already the domain of platform dominating stores. My worry is MS porting over the business lessons from the mobile space into the desktop space.
It's true that many things are made on windows... but hey, if you have to get photoshop through the windows store, get jetbrains through the windows store, get winzip or PaintShopPro through the windows store, etc.. then they get a cut of that whatever you use it for. *
It's not that I begrudge them the chance to sell software, it's my (possibly unfounded) fear that if they ever make the windows store non-crap then it'll become the default (and in practice only) place for developers to sell software... software that will then be 100% subject to MS's decisions and policies.
I mean, try making profit on an android app that isn't on the Play Store.
- Windows 10 being improved isn't really the point... the point is the change in business model... and that MS were willing to resort to a bunch of underhanded tactics to get as many people on it as possible for free...
*Though, upon writing this, I realised that there is very little paid software on my PC, as open-source and web apps have taken the place of many pieces of software. It would mostly just be Adobe products (which are already overpriced and locked down) and games. So maybe it's not such a big deal after all.
10-10-2016, 11:48 AM #19
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10-10-2016, 02:51 PM #20
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