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17-09-2011, 12:51 PM #1
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- Odense, Denmark
Sony removes right to join Class Action Lawsuits
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Is this a new low? Is it even legal? They really seem to be screwing the consumers in a way I've not seen before, removing their right to join a class action lawsuit, unless they apply for the right in less than 30 days after receiving the new update.
17-09-2011, 01:01 PM #2
Last edited by Rii; 17-09-2011 at 01:08 PM.
17-09-2011, 01:27 PM #3
Pretty sure that’s not binding. There are laws in many counties which protect consumer rights.
17-09-2011, 01:40 PM #4
An arbitration clause in a EULA? The fuck?
As far as I know, the only bits of a EULA that have ever stood up in court have been copyright related. Licensing, resale, that sort of thing. The notion of waiving basic rights in one is quite absurd.
17-09-2011, 01:49 PM #5
17-09-2011, 07:06 PM #6
17-09-2011, 07:29 PM #7
I blame the Supreme Court for most things that are wrong in the world. At least for the past 11 years, starting when Gore would have been elected had they allowed a full statewide recount in Florida.
17-09-2011, 07:42 PM #8
17-09-2011, 08:18 PM #9
Hyperbole amuses me. Surely you should never take anything from an RPS commenter at face value.
But seriously, you look at the recent history of the US, and it all hinges on that 5-4 decision in Bush v. Gore. And they've made a fair few shitty decisions since then, propped up by Bush appointees.
I miss Bill Clinton. Good economy. Fewer wars. Better music.
17-09-2011, 08:47 PM #10
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17-09-2011, 09:22 PM #11
Afghan war was unavoidable. Iraq? Bush was manipulated into it by his people. With Gore it might have happened too of course but not necessarily.
If not the iraq war the world would look quite different today. Whether worse or better is unfortunately unanswerable question.
17-09-2011, 09:23 PM #12
...I dare say it damn well would have. Most of this shit is the result of the Reagan Revolution in practice, and that places it squarely at the doorstep of the zealots of the former political party known as the GOP.
18-09-2011, 12:09 AM #13
Have they found those WMDs yet btw?
If you've not seen it before I do recommend Adam Curtis BBC documentary 'The Power of Nightmares' (6 parts)
It's a few years old, but parallels the rise of the Islamic fundamentalists and the Neo-Conservatives. It's pretty interesting, especially the level of delusion that drove each group.
18-09-2011, 12:22 AM #14
I like how this started from talking about sony taking away our rights to file lawsuits against them to criticizing american governments and the wars they did. How does that work?
18-09-2011, 12:46 AM #15
I really, really doubt it would hold up in most of Europe, where consumer protection is taken a bit more seriously.
18-09-2011, 01:13 AM #16
18-09-2011, 01:51 AM #17
I foresee a wave of attempts to export this law...
18-09-2011, 03:27 AM #18
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"if the Class Action Waiver clause is found to be illegal or unenforceable, this entire Section 15 will be unenforceable, and the dispute will be decided by a court and you and the Sony Entity you have a dispute with each agree to waive in that instance."
Looks like they know it won't hold up in a lot of places.
18-09-2011, 03:42 AM #19
18-09-2011, 11:45 AM #20
Well its a moral thing, if you take the low road like these people are, are you any better then them really? You might say your doing it for the good of the people, but many horrible things have happened because people thought they were doing it for the good of the people. Just take the example of George Bush, I'm sure he thought he was doing it for the good of the people, which actually it was economically good for the people but only for a certain amount of time.
So yeah always try to go for the high road, it might not work as well as the big companies shady dealings but you know at least we don't get our name tarnished in the mud.