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25-02-2013, 02:03 PM #1241but so much of that can be done in post-production that I can't help but feel cheated. Traditional cinematography doesn't have carte blanche to paint over mistakes; they couldn't just say "Fuck it, we'll fix it in post-production" in Skyfall.
I think your very ignorant actually of how it actually works, reading up on Life Of Pi a lot of it was there like the sea and the boat and everything, only really the Tiger was digitally added which actually makes the cinematographers job harder because they have to shoot something that's not there.
Plus with Skyfall everything is digital so they can do a lot of things and fixes in post, ever see the extras of Lord Of The Rings they got rid and changed lighting of a lot of physical shots to make it better and I et they did the same with Skyfall.
25-02-2013, 02:09 PM #1242
Re: Zero Dark, it was sombre but I think the audio in the beginning is emotional manipulation. Everything following that opening audio can be justified by the suffering of those victims and questioning anything is equated basically with questioning the suffering of those victims. I don't know if it was intended but it works very well I think. In addition, it seemed to me to glorify and humanize the SEALS as basically a bunch of nice guys doing a rough work.
Also how did it glorify the SEALs? They killed four men and a woman, none of whom really stood much of a chance in truth given it was a night op and they were heavily outgunned and outnumbered. It was hardly Chuck Norris in the 'America Fuck yeah!!!' stakes. If anything it highlighted the reality of modern warfare that the outcome of the operation in terms of eliminating the target was a foregone conclusion. The only real gamble was over whether OBL was actually in the compound.
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25-02-2013, 02:44 PM #1245
Of course, Kate Winslett then went on to do a film set during the Holocaust...and won an oscar.
Anyhow, over the weekend I sat down and watched my third Coen brothers film, The Hudsucker Proxy and, like The Big Lebowski and Barton Fink before it, I really enjoyed it. I loved just how eccentric it all was, that the comedy was derived from both clever set-ups that were borderline breaking the fourth wall, to just out-right silly slap-stick. The latter of which only working because of the juxtaposition of being in such a serious environment. That at times it portrayed an immersive reality,
but was clearly laced with surreality. Nothing but praise for it.
25-02-2013, 02:50 PM #1246
On Saturday night I went to a screening of Much Ado About Nothing, a new piece by Josh Whedon which is essentially the Shakespeare play, recreated in his home in today's modern world. I wasn't familiar with the piece and it took me a while to adjust to the Shakespearian dialogue, which apart from a song sung in the background is the only form of English in the movie, so I spent the majority of it trying to understand what the hell they were saying and what the plot was about. My summary of it is that Sean Maher wanted to do his sister and was totally jelly that the stoner dude from Cabin in the Woods was going to get there first.
The cast is very good and very entertaining and it moves along at a good pace. I was initially very unsure about it when they started talking, but once the comedy started it all made fell into place.
Josh himself was at the screening which was pretty cool too.
25-02-2013, 07:18 PM #1247
Well, that doesn't mean much. QoS is easily top 10 and, well... This is a pretty shitty franchise. The idea behind Bond is great, but in execution it fails over and over again.
Why does physical work have so much importance for you? Would you rather have the dude in charge of the look of a movie not recognized? Animated features are already 2nd class citizens in Hollywood, there's this vague idea that they're designed by comitee so the individuals are not worthy of as much praise. It would be awful to extend this idea that to virtual cinematography or CGI heavy movies - especially since stereoscopic movies bring groundbreaking visual innovations every year.
Where do you draw the line anyway? Hugo also used a huge amount of green screen photography. Digital cameras make the job of a cinematographer much easier. Digital sensors and stereoscopic rigs allow the capture of entirely new visuals. Deakins couldn't capture those beautiful night scenes in Skyfall with a film camera - all that haze, the distant lights, the clear and sharp colours would be lost. For film purists, digital is cheating. For a special brand of idiots, Photoshop is cheating, as if photography and cinema are all about capturing the real.
25-02-2013, 09:54 PM #1248
As for the Arri Alexa M, digital photography has reached the point where it has surpassed its traditional cameras. In Deakin's own words, "the Alexa’s tonal range, color space and latitude exceed the capabilities of film." That's not cheating. If anything, it puts a greater emphasis on the just how painstaking the photography on Skyfall was. Thanks for proving my point for me.
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25-02-2013, 11:27 PM #1250
It is. It's an institution. Few franchises have been able to survive the onslaught of societal changes like James Bond has. James Bond sells cars, multi-thousand-dollar watches and suits effortlessly. He's irrevocably part of our modern culture, and I don't view these things in a vacuum. That doesn't mean I'll ever watch it again, or that I didn't almost fall asleep halfway through it in theaters.
Judged on their own merits, Robocop and Videodrome are kind of shitty movies, elevated by their importance within our society. Birth of a Nation is one of the most profoundly offensive movies I have ever seen, not to mention horribly dated, but it's remembered as a snapshot of our cultural evolution (not to mention the evolution of the medium itself).
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25-02-2013, 11:45 PM #1251
Which is why Joe Everyman can probably name 5 James Bond movies out of how many that have actually been made over the course of 40 years.
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26-02-2013, 12:46 AM #1255
You're attributing a tone that I didn't take in my original post, and I've stated clearly why I think that Skyfall has lasting power. I could direct your same line of questioning towards The Dark Knight or Aliens. I have no personal investment in Skyfall's lasting power, and if I'm wrong then time will tell and so be it. If you want to talk about real movies and not above-average genre fare, you know where to find me.
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26-02-2013, 11:45 AM #1259
Silver Linings Playbook.
It was alright but certainly not as great like everyone says it is. I'm not really fond of movies that ends up being about a yelling competition.
Also Deniero playing the same role he always does.
28-02-2013, 12:58 PM #1260
So what will bomb harder, Jack the Giant Slayer or that Oz movie?
My vote goes to Jack. I expect to enjoy both - Jack for its Harryhausen vibe and Oz for the inevitable fucked up Raimi scenes.