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02-03-2016, 07:32 AM #1
2016 Presidential Elections: Trump is an American
Ok yeah I get it he is getting popular in the republican primeries by saying some crappy stuff. And he might win the leadership which will be interesting for the republicans.
He will never win the general election!
The problem is, is that he has his fan base in those gun toting lets get rid of the mexicans people. Now there is a lot of these people in the primaries. But outside in the whole of America its a bit of a different picture. Even a lot of republicans don't believe this. Hell if the party was smart they would realise a lot of mexicans and latinos are quite republican.
So yeah even if he won the leadership i don't see in a million years he could beat Clinton in the proper race. His fan base is just not the whole of America.
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02-03-2016, 08:20 AM #3
^ Yeah, this. Add to this that a large number of folk on the left don't actually like Hillary Clinton. Some of them will hold their nose and vote for her anyway in order to stave off the "giant orange robot from the planet Zanthor" [credit to Salon's Andrew O'Hehir], others won't. I don't think I would, even knowing the alternative.
In any case, the election of Trump as President would only be the final nail in the coffin for the notion of American democracy in particular, and a serious blow for representative democracy in general, as a system to which all nations should aspire as one that generates the best outcomes. So, nothing too serious then.
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02-03-2016, 10:29 AM #4
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weren't people saying something along these lines when it came to winning the nomination in the first place...? I think the last thing we need at this point is not taking him as a serious threat.I wrote a fantasy novel, called Lavender! Perhaps you'd like to read it.
02-03-2016, 10:33 AM #5
Well just so long as he doesn't get elected. As the US is one of my backup plans for when the UK leaving the EU goes totally fucking tits up and I get stuck with PM Boris Johnson.
I can't see him getting elected, but like serenegoose said, I didn't think he'd get the nomination. So yeah.
02-03-2016, 10:54 AM #6
@Xercies - his supports are not just Cletus from The Simpsons. They're him and they're people who are very rich and they're people who might think like him but would never say. And they're people who hate the left, who think Clinton is worse than he is.
Here's some of the donation amounts to Trumps campaign. Here's a map of locations where Trump got more donations than any other candidate.
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02-03-2016, 11:31 AM #7
02-03-2016, 11:41 AM #8
Trump may be no Hitler but you can still draw some remarkable parallels between the two. Hitler was grossly underestimated by the conservatives. Sure, he was a bit of a lunatic with outrageous but he had little going for himself besides from being a charismatic speaker. They thought him a convenient puppet, even if they hated his guts. Eventually Hitler was made chancellor after lots of infighting and scheming on the conservative side. In the end, Hitler abolished the republic and much worse - doing precisely what he said he would do if he got into office.
Of course, Germany of the 1930s is not the USA of the 2010s but I guess the takeaway is that even though we're all tired of politicians not doing what they promised, be careful what you wish for because the opposite might be much worse.Immersive Sims on Steam WIP
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02-03-2016, 11:56 AM #9
02-03-2016, 12:00 PM #10
I'm not so much worried about Trump, I'm more amazed that what he says and does doesn't seem to deter people from voting for him, although I could say this about several of the republican candidates. Pandering to racists, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, and so on.
02-03-2016, 12:03 PM #11
... why compare the US election with Hitler's? People keep saying that Hitler was elected, which was grossly incorrect. He had won no Presidential election. His position of Fuhrer was outright illegal.
Of course he might have won Presidential election after the death of Hindenburg, but reality is Hitler had never given it a try so, the rest is history.
It is really worrying to why in the last two US Presidential election, there had been such clowns running though. Something must be really wrong with the USA's society.
02-03-2016, 12:04 PM #12
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02-03-2016, 12:21 PM #13
02-03-2016, 12:29 PM #14
The upcoming US Presidential inauguration speech by Donald Trump:
02-03-2016, 12:52 PM #15
I'm in a uniformed service and the President is my Commander in Chief. The best reference I have to Trump's management style is the Apprentice, and I've wildly disagreed with his decisions there. I've found him erratic, impatient, unfair, biased, rude, and prone to snap judgments.
If he can so thoroughly disappoint me when handling extraordinarily trivial matters then it is hard for me to stomach the notion of him in charge of my country and being my boss. It is a situation that I've never wanted to find myself in.
Maybe it is all bluster and show. Maybe Trump as an actual boss and not a TV boss does things entirely differently. In that case I don't feel like I can trust his public persona at all and I don't know how the people could be sure of who they are electing. I would prefer a candidate who I can reasonably assume acts similarly publicly and privately.
That doesn't mean I want Hillary in office, either. But I do feel I could trust her to be Hillary. She has an established persona, views, and track record that make her behavior more predictable. I don't agree with all of her views, but I don't expect her to be radical and dangerous, whereas I have no real idea what Trump will do and the possibilities frighten me.
It is quite possible I will not vote in this election. I just don't know.
02-03-2016, 02:27 PM #16In any case, the election of Trump as President would only be the final nail in the coffin for the notion of American democracy in particular, and a serious blow for representative democracy in general, as a system to which all nations should aspire as one that generates the best outcomes.
[quote]The turnout of voters for the republican primaries has been much higher than during primaries for previous elections. If that trend continues during the actual elections, you might be looking at a large amount of voters for Trump that wouldn't have bothered to turn up otherwise. The remarkable thing about Trump is that his fanbase doesn't just consist of gun-toting rednecks - so far he is popular in wildy different social circles[/quote]
The problem with the primaries is that its held in places where the views of the republicans are a certain thing(same with democrats as well) but what the actual oting public as a whole wants is something kind of different, more centre of the road if you will. Previous candidates have had to do a little dance towards thos primaries and then done another dance to get elected.
The problem is, because Trump has sold himself as an outsider breaking all the rules to get a good vote for those primary people. He can't do the dance back because he will shoot his whole campaign premise. But I see many Americans going...uh no to him because they are sane people...
People keep saying that Hitler was elected, which was grossly incorrect. He had won no Presidential election
02-03-2016, 02:43 PM #17
02-03-2016, 05:09 PM #18
Re: Hillary... I'm not really into the Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton thing, but in response to Matt_W's post I feel like I should put this The Daily Banter piece here, which argues that "If You're Liberal and You Think Hillary Clinton Is Corrupt and Untrustworthy, You're Rewarding 25 Years of GOP Smears".
02-03-2016, 05:51 PM #19
Thanks to John Oliver I've not actually seen the word Trump since Sunday.
02-03-2016, 07:27 PM #20
Here's a pretty insightful column about how Trump isn't really scary, it's the amount of followers he has and their fervor that is what's most concerning.
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If he doesn't get the nomination, he'll likely run independently and the presidency will go to either Clinton or Sanders. In my opinion this is the best outcome.
If he doesn't get the nomination and doesn't run independently, he has certainly given the Republicans a wake up call.Trump scares them more than he does anyone outside the party. With the way things are going with the Supreme Court nomination I think the Republicans have given all the ammo the Democrats will ever need to win the presidency this year.