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18-10-2015, 09:01 AM #1
New Nintendo Home Video Game Console: Switch
I don't know what it will be eventually branded, but right now it is so-called NX.
Nintendo has finally submitted to the reality to admit that Wii U is a complete failure, but it does not succumb to it. Unlike Sega who had thrown in the while towel fifteen years ago, it strikes back. From other sources I read, Nintendo is switching its strategy from 180 degree, determine to lead this generation in computing power, so no more casual games on Nintendo home platform, this NX will be at least at par with this gen of Xbox and Playstation, and may possibly outpower them.
Other reports state that Nintendo has been shipping SDK of NX to some selected third-party developers, and those SDKs come with development environment for a secondary gamepad video output, just like Wii U.
Sorry to those Wii U gamers though. I hope Nintendo would make sensible decision to offer serious discounts for them to upgrade to NX.
18-10-2015, 11:04 AM #2
18-10-2015, 05:31 PM #3
I still haven't finished Mario Galaxy or Twilight Princess, glad the big N is looking forward though.
18-10-2015, 06:33 PM #4
If I remember what I read correctly, the Wii U was consistently selling less units than the Dreamcast in their respective opening months. It's also a misnomer that the Dreamcast did badly, it just didn't do enough. A bit of a Hail Mary, really. At any rate, I'd imagine the NX would be backwards compatible with Wii U and 3DS software (it's supposed to bridge the gap between home and portable, we'll see how that works) or at the very least have transferable licenses for both. Which is another thing, this new system must, must, have an online and account system that is up-to-date because it is shocking how poor both the 3DS and Wii U ones are. They both released way after what we have now is standard practice and they still failed. It was only fairly recently that on the 3DS at least any form of unified account system was in-place, but it's still tied to your hardware (I believe the same is true for the Wii U, but it at least had the grace of having that at launch). There are tons of games on the eShop I want to buy for my 3DS, but I refuse to do so until I know that I can play them on any 3DS compatible hardware I might happen to have without having to phone up Nintendo and spend hours transferring details.
19-10-2015, 01:02 AM #5
One characteristic flaw that Nintendo must overcome if it is to stand a chance in the game hardware market: arrogant greed which knows no bound. I really don't know what Nintendo is thinking, like common sense doesn't work in those people's minds, as if they are from another planet. If they really understand that they need third-party software, be willing to share the profitability, dumbass!
Of course, they can introduce a console with a library consists only of Nintendo works. If they can afford to do just that, they really earn the right to look down on the others. If they cannot, well, face the reality, please, Nintendo.
And any game console in the second decade of the 21st century still being region locked, deserves to fail. Xbox has been a complete failure, no one here in his/her right mind would choose an Xbox, while Playstation sells like crazy.
But yes, online system is one shortcoming Nintendo may not be able to overcome. It is a Japanese company, after all, and Japanese generally hold a grudge against Internet for some reason unknown to the outside world. No, they are not technologically backward in this field, they simply are hostile to it. Sony could built a solid network for Playstation simply because it has western subsidiaries to support it so, and it would have played so differently be Sony a total Japanese firm.
19-10-2015, 04:02 AM #6
Nintendo are going to have a hard time competing with smartphones, tablets and that kind of casual gaming.
I assume the Wii U was their attempt to do that, but (from my very limited knowledge of it) it kind fell between the two stools.
I like Nintendo, they've always been a fun and innovative (in their own way) alternative to the other guys. The DS is still insanely popular among youngsters in Japan, but other than that mobile has pretty much taken over. PS4 is surviving based on its hardware power, but nintendo's whole casual market has basically switched over to staring at small phone screens. Frankly, I'm not sure how they can fight that.
If I were them I'd go with a straight up customized android tablet, like kindle fire, with exclusive access to their game catalogue and franchises, and with some kind of chromecast included to allow it to work on the big screen too. But I'd also allow it access to regular apps and android functionality.
An andriod tablet + nintendo functionality would be a good purchase.
A dedicated nintendo tablet without android functionality becomes an unnecessary extra purchase.
Years ago there were rumors of an apple/nintendo takeover/merger, or that nintendo would release a smartphone... imho they missed the boat on that.
It's true that Japan is generally highly skeptical of the internet, although mobile is a slightly different story. Consumers do use the net quite a bit, but they tend to stick to one or two well known sites (like yahoo). There are a lot of good internet tech devs in Japan though.
Japanese protectiveness and vested interests, and skepticism about new business methods have mostly succeeded in keeping out things like mp3 stores, music streaming, video streaming, etc... though that seems to be finally breaking down now that apple music has launched and netflix has come to japan. Maybe the younger generation are much more open to that kind of thing. It's still hard for international firms to break in though.
19-10-2015, 10:13 AM #7
If I were them I'd go with a straight up customized android tablet, like kindle fire, with exclusive access to their game catalogue and franchises, and with some kind of chromecast included to allow it to work on the big screen too.
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If Nintendo wanted to compete with Apple, Sony etc. at tablet market they would have to make constant Android updates which in longer run could kill the device. What if third party gamedevs would say to them: "sorry Ninny, we don't have a cash to patch our game for n-th Android update that caused the mess again, we're pulling out"?
Terrible, terrible idea.
19-10-2015, 10:16 AM #8
19-10-2015, 10:31 AM #9
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Well, it could work only if all games were running on NintendOS + option to run Android as secondary OS.
19-10-2015, 11:55 AM #10
Nintendo's plan on mobile is to partner up with a company who'll help them release made-for games for mobile and tablet. Which they've done. The fruits of this labour may take a little time to see, but it's already apparent with Pokémon Go, which I imagine will be highly successful.
21-01-2016, 01:49 PM #11
Almost buy into the story that Nintendo would compete with MS and Sony in computing power of game consoles, turns out Nintendo back down.
The planned NX will only support resolution up to 900p. FPS is 60, but I think this has already been the industrial standard for this generation for long. (this report focuses on interaction between this new game machine with other devices, but I put my focus on the last point of the second captured screen) Remember, XB1 and PS4 both have games running 1080p at FPS60.
To put it simply, NX will only be another underpowered game consoles compared to XB1 and PS4, only that the gap is not as pathetically wide than with WiiU. But, that's not surprising at all, Nintendo simply does not have the capital enough to compete. I think Nintendo will be out of the game within the next five years. It may not be a bad deal to buy a NX though, it would make a fine collector's item, you know.
21-01-2016, 05:21 PM #12
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I saw that yesterday. I would be highly suspicious of its validity. If it is accurate then it will most likely either be referring to a minimum standard, an average or the secondary screen.
As long as the machine connects to a TV via a Hdmi cable it will be capable of outputting to 1080p, even if that is at the graphical equivalent of Frogger. To say the machine would be completely incapable of outputting to 1080p seems unlikely in the extreme, particularly seeing as there are a few Wii U games already exceeding what many are reading as the maximum capabilities of the NX.
If it does turn out to be true, that games will only play at 900p/60fps, then it would actually still be in a better place than most of the competition though. Most console games are running at 30fps and there are still not that many putting out 1080p visuals.
21-01-2016, 05:57 PM #13
Thing is, Nintendo are used to this. The Wii was the outlier success, but seems to have implanted the suggestion that Nintendo consoles always sold well. Unfortunately they didn't. The GameCube was in distant third place of its generation, the N64 sold a quarter of the PlayStation and now we have the WiiU limping along. Nintendo compensate by making best selling handhelds, but that isn't enough any more - so they're going to try and merge the two lines.
As for the NX tech specs? Nintendo will need to sell it at the Ł300 price point to compete with the PS4/Xbone. If they go for a fancy controller/portable unit I can see that harming specs as just with the WiiU so much of the cost is tied up in that unit. Then they need to rebuild all those burned bridges with developers. It's the latter I can see being the hardest.
21-01-2016, 07:04 PM #14
It wasn't just that the Wii was an outlier, which it was, it was that it was happening at the same time as the frankly absurd DS sales. So, to go from both doing a stonkingly huge amount to the follow-ups being dire and acceptable respectively, it was a bit of a drop.
I don't entirely believe that report either. It wouldn't surprise me (technically, I mean) unfortunately, but I don't necessarily buy it.
21-01-2016, 07:48 PM #15
The 900p thing makes that story stink as nonsense considering the Wii U outputs at 1080p.
Nintendo will keep on trucking like they always have. The GameCube and N64 may have "undersold" but Nintendo didn't sell them as loss leaders so made profit the entire time. They were making a loss the last few years but returned to profit, so the Wii U isn't actually doing badly enough to tank the company or anything.
Anyway silly speculation on the console hardware is going to be just that until the announcement.
24-01-2016, 01:09 AM #16
IMO the most interesting part of the Wii was proving that someone at Nintendo understood it was necessary to pick their battles, play on their strengths and don't dig themselves an early grave by spending big money they couldn't make.
The most disappointing part of the Wii was that Nintendo failed to make it stay innovative and interesting enough and to grow a software ecosystem around their machine that set it apart from the competition.
In that perspective, and outside of a change of strategy, I doubt anything Nintendo is going to release will have the brawn to fight it out with the current consoles, hence its specs are possibly the least interesting facet of the surrounding discussion.
Of course, if you asked me, all the proprietary systems could go the way of the dodo at their earliest convenience, and be replaced by some sort of standardized, highly integrated PC system running an open, standardized entertainment UI using Linux as a technical foundation, checking all the boxes of convenience, controllable costs and openness ...one can dream.
25-01-2016, 03:43 PM #17
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The Wiimote+ is a great device, but then they did not bother to release any games for it.
25-01-2016, 08:57 PM #18
Great? Nah, not really.
The Wiimote+ just about does decent motion tracking without requiring a camera (the camera-based Kinect and PS Camera are better, more accurate and can track more/different objects). Its limitations are in being an actual controller. Too few buttons and a lack of precision control devices (eg: analogue sticks) mean it struggles or simply cannot handle some games/genres.
It's good for casual games (Wii Tennis), but a horrible FPS controller and an even worse device for platformers and their like (SSMB!). Nintendo wised up and released a "normal" controller to make up for these deficiencies, but it took Sony and Microsoft to actually step up and release their motion platforms to get a true combo.
Oh, and the fact that Nintendo had to release the + module just goes to show how shoddy the original was.
25-01-2016, 09:42 PM #19
The only Wii+ games I've played are Wii Sports Resort (ie. the one that promoted +) and Skyward Sword. The former I played at a friend's and was enjoyable enough. The second I bought the combo for, game and remote, and the remote and control method was of a significant detriment to my enjoyment of the game, to the extent that I barely forced my way through it. The problem is, there's a good chance that if you found someone else who played SS, they'd tell you the controls were fantastic. And thus the lack of consistency causes a problem. It's not just creating the technology, it's implementing it well and making sure it can accommodate different room set-ups. I'm glad I didn't have to engineer it.
With the word that the NX will be using a funky controller with a video display embedded in it around the buttons, I'm worried that Nintendo will try and carry on the need to innovate technologically when they can innovate mechanically. I'm not saying their innovations have necessarily been bad (d-pad, shoulder buttons, frickin' analogue stick!) but it's okay to just use some extra horse-power to enable the creation of more complex games.
Given the word seems to be that we'll see a release of it this year, it'll be super interesting to see the response to whatever they produce.
25-01-2016, 10:44 PM #20
My wife got repetitive strain in her trapezius from playing Skyward Sword on the Wii. It's just a flawed controller full stop. Give me a DualShock 4 with the current gen camera any day
The NX is going to be interesting for sure. I'm just not sold it will equal sales.