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Thread: Rape jokes taboo?
11-07-2012, 10:33 PM #21
But we're not in school now, are we?
I don't know you from Adam, but I'm willing to bet that if you used "nigger" in a way that was flippant or casual, alarm bells would ring in my mind, just as I don't assume everybody who uses "nigger" when I'm playing BF3 are themselves Black in real life. But then, the gaming crowd I play with tends to be the most monolithic demographic I have the misfortune of associating with, they being overwhelmingly white, suburban and male. I would take umbrage with your use of that word just as women would take umbrage at the gaming crowd's use of "rape."
But it's not the word, like I said. It's the attitude behind it. I cannot assume yours is pure.
11-07-2012, 10:54 PM #22
If all the nice people are using it ironically, it empowers those who use it hatefully. And it especially dis-empowers those who are branded with it.
I'm not saying that these words should be removed from the English language, I'm just saying that there are a lot of places where they are not suitable. I myself grew up using the word 'gay' just to mean something bad. I was never homophobic at all, but it was only when a number of my friends came out to me that I realised I had to stop using it in that sense. Not because they thought I was a homophobe, but because homophobes would hear me and think that it was fine to take the piss out of gay people.
Rape is such a common, but unspoken, horror. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't bandy about the term needlessly. Just like racial or homophobic slurs.
Entering the words and phrases into common usage does have an impact on people's understanding of the issues involved. I'd love to think that 4chan are all joking when they spout the word 'nigger', but I'm pretty sure a lot of them aren't, and that's why I'll never use that word there. And it terrifies me that all those people who use the word seriously have a home full of like minded people (or at least people who sound like them).
11-07-2012, 11:02 PM #23
You can't ban the use of the term ironically. But it's all about making sure there's an understanding between the audience and the speaker. I can say things to my students that other teachers can't, by dint of who we are.
And rape at this time is not an "unspoken" horror. It's a quite often spoken horror, and while that won't stop idiots from using it just like idiots use the term "gay" to mean "bad," it doesn't mean that we all have to clutch our purses and whine every time somebody says the word.
11-07-2012, 11:17 PM #24
I'm not personally bothered by rape jokes or "getting raped" being thrown around as a substitute for losing, but it does often seem an excessively crude and dumb way to express oneself and I can see perfectly legitimate reasons for why people don't like it. It's worth remembering that people can't help getting hurt or offended; they're emotional reactions and can't be "wrong". While that of course doesn't mean that anyone has an absolute right to not be offended it does mean you might want to put a little thought into what you say and how you say it.
11-07-2012, 11:17 PM #25
I did mean "ironically" but I get what you mean, and I don't think it's fair to characterise someone who speaks out against homophobic slurs as 'whining' (I try to always call someone out on it if they say it to my face, just like if they said 'nigger', and I think that's important), but apart from that I think we're saying the same thing.
And I applaud you for being informed about rape, but I still think most people drastically underestimate it's virulence.
To go back to OPs post: The reason people treat rape jokes as taboo is because actually they don't. They just treat people who throw the term around in a light-heatred way with no comic value as idiots.
Anyway, it's always nice to end a discussion on realising you agree, so on that note, I'm off to bed!
11-07-2012, 11:19 PM #26
...No offense to blankets.
11-07-2012, 11:23 PM #27
I honestly wouldn't be surprised given some of the posts floating around here lately.
11-07-2012, 11:48 PM #28
I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Penny Arcade Dickwolves controversy, but if you aren't, I strongly suggest checking out this link which presents the whole story in an unbiased manner. It all started when a blogger on Shakesville criticized Penny Arcade for using rape in a humorous manner in one of their comic strips and turned really nasty further down the road. It's a fairly lenghty read, but it's an interesting look at how the subject of rape is perceived by different people and how it's apparently impossible to discuss the issue in a civilized manner.
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12-07-2012, 12:00 AM #29
"I just don’t understand that. Did the comics about bestiality, suicide, murder, pedophilia, and torture not bother them? Or how about the fruit fucker? I mean, we have a character who is a literal rapist. What comic strip have they been reading all these years?"
12-07-2012, 12:48 AM #30
My own pondering has suggested to me it's about inclusive/exclusiveness. If you *feel* the comedian is excluding you (or a person/people you care about) it's not funny. If you feel they're including you it's ok.
Also, what verifies that feeling is often not so much the joke but the reaction. A comedian who apologises after someone acts offended inadvertently proves their intention of inclusiveness. A comedian who doubles down or says "You don't get it" or whatever demonstrates an intention of exclusiveness.
(Hence why dickwolves became such a scandal. The joke itself? Meh. The reaction? Yikes.)Free speech don't mean unchallengeable speech.
12-07-2012, 12:53 AM #31Definition for blue joke:
dirty joke: an indelicate joke.
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwnI am once again writing a blog, vaguely about playing games the wrong way
12-07-2012, 04:23 AM #32
I don't know, sometimes "rape" is the appropriate term to use when describing how bad someone got destroyed in a PVP game. I feel like I'm going to end up on the wrong side of this thread just as I did in the "zomg EVERYTHING is offensive to women!" thread.
There is a time and place for everything in my eyes. I don't go around in public servers screaming "YOU JUST RAPED SON" in text or voice chat, but when I am playing a game with friends on ventrilo I will say things like "Holy fuck, I just got raped" or "wow that guy got raped". I know none of my friends are offended by it and as I said earlier I feel like the term is actually appropriate at times for describing what happened on screen.
Back when I was still playing WoW this term was thrown around a lot on vent during our guild PVP sessions. Apparently this offended some people in the guild and one of my fellow officers addressed it by saying "rape is not a synonym for victory". This became a huge joke in the guild with people intentionally saying "raped" to setup someone else saying "rape is not a synonym for victory" sarcastically. There is no real point to that story.
12-07-2012, 11:09 AM #33
12-07-2012, 12:01 PM #34
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Because it's funny?
12-07-2012, 12:36 PM #35
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Or maybe if the other player is drunk and hardly able to play and you beat him when you wouldn't otherwise be able to, that could be seen as 'rape'.
Those are the only ones I can think of.
I do get why people use it to mean 'really strong victory', as they're equating it with nasty, violent rape. That, frankly, just demonstrates' the users lack of understanding of what most rape actually is.
12-07-2012, 01:06 PM #36
I tend to think of the word in terms of it being an unwarranted assault that denigrates the victim (not necessarily in a sexual way). I don't use it (afaik) and I don't trade in it, but I recognize what it means in a broader sense. I never really got the whole dickwolves blowup tbh (admittedly I'm only familiar with the beginning parts..not the spiral of accusation/counter accusation etc, etc) . It seemed to me that the whole point about the penny arcade cartoon was about was highlighting player indifference to the storyline 'suffering' of NPCs in games. I don't think it was devaluing rape as an grossly offensive action at all.
12-07-2012, 02:26 PM #37http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape
Please check numbers 4, 7, and 8.
It may not be deemed acceptable in certain circles, but it's definitely an appropriate word to use from a vocabulary stand point.
12-07-2012, 03:02 PM #38
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12-07-2012, 03:13 PM #39
12-07-2012, 04:12 PM #40
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That's my take on this situation. Kill, rape, destroy, they're all used as throwaway exaggerations to indicate one side of a binary situation (win versus lose, for example). Someone who had been raped, or whose father had been killed, for example, might see this differently than I do.