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Thread: Win 8: yay or nay?
27-10-2012, 12:25 PM #1
Win 8: yay or nay?
So, Win 8 is officially out now. How many of you have upgraded? The price seems pretty reasonable for a new OP system, whether you dig the new UI (which one can turn off) that seems to be very much tablet orientated is another question.
I'm on a desktop, with an LCD as monitor, so to me navigating the tiles on mouse and keyboard seems awkward, granted I have only tinkered with in on Virtualbox so the experience may be a little laggy, seemed so at-least. Maybe getting one of those logitech touchpads would improve the experience...who knows.
So, what are your thoughts on this?
Also, if anyone has a promocode to drop the price from 29.99€ to 14.99€ I'd be very appreciative.
27-10-2012, 12:47 PM #2
To me it really depends on driver support and software compatibility, so I really cannot decide at the moment. Maybe I would follow the tradition wisdom: wait for SP1.
As I know, the drastic change of interface is Windows 8 no longer has the infamous "Start Up" button. For this, I guess I should have no problem since I am very comfortable with my antique Power PC iMac 5 run by Mac OS X 10.3
27-10-2012, 12:50 PM #3
I like the new UI (not the metro part though).
Now after they got rid of stupid aero, it has a nice zen look to it.
For example the task manager:
I haven't looked too much into win8 yet though, and I will be waiting till it matures a bit.
27-10-2012, 01:30 PM #4
Damn, I must admit that I wasn't that impressed with the Metro or whatever the UI is called, for a desktop at-least. I do think this would work well for a touchscreen device. But 14.99€ or even 29.99€ is still a pretty good deal for a new OP system.
My Win 7 experience has been pretty good, if i disregard my blue period where I had about a dozen or so BSODs in about two days, which, granted might have been caused by hardware, but still. I had far fewer crashes/BSODs on XP and Vista combined so I'm not too bothered about bugs.
27-10-2012, 02:17 PM #5
I believe that All-in-One PC will see light of greater sales. All-in-One may not be ideal for those demanding for high specs since they are generally not good at hardware cooling. But one selling point is that more and more of them have touch screens, and they perfectly fit in this new UI.
And touchscreen for PC tower on the other hand is way too expensive for me.
27-10-2012, 03:06 PM #6
Anyway, I caved and got me Win 8 Pro for ~15€, so I'll see how that goes. And if I can't deal with the "innovation" there's always the option to downgrade.
27-10-2012, 03:27 PM #7
I've been running it since August when it was released to Technet subscribers. I don't like Metro on a desktop, but I barely ever see it. 90% of the time I'm on the Desktop, which functions just like it did in Windows 7. On the plus side, Windows 8 is faster. Compatibility is much the same as Windows 7... and now tjp will come in here complaining about how his P4 and AC97 audio chip isn't supported. Win8 did drop some legacy support, it's true, but in terms of getting your apps and games to run you're unlikely to run into any issues. So far the only big issue for me is that some apps can't launch a web browser when you click a link - for example trying to access the forum for a game from Steam results in absolutely nothing happening. I don't know why. Game performance should be close to Win7 - maybe slightly less in benchmarks but nothing you'd realistically notice. That's probably due to slightly immature GPU drivers.
Metro is basically a giant Start menu. You could unpin all the Metro apps and just populate it like a big Start menu if you want. Alternatively, just do what you probably do with the current Start menu: open it up, type in what you want, and smash Enter. Functionally it's the same thing. The most frustrating thing is the Charms gesture, but you can use WinKey+C to display them instead.
No doubt some people won't be able to tolerate Metro, but MS will keep Metro. It won't go away. Better get used to it, or move to OS X/Linux. Also to head off any arguments - WinRT might be Microsoft's walled garden, but the desktop is not. There are no arbitrary restrictions on x86 apps and there never will be. There is no threat to Gabe's Walled Garden-Empire of Gaming. Please don't listen to FUD.
27-10-2012, 04:11 PM #8
Have absolutely no interest in a new Windows iteration that offers nothing new for the home theater crowd. Where the hell is the 10 foot interface, practical DPI scaling and remote control integration we were teased with? Tablet controls clusterfuck in a desktop OS? Nothankyou.jpg
27-10-2012, 08:48 PM #9
Actually, the Metro thing isn't all that bad. It's ok for quick overview of mail, news and feeds. You can add your gmail accounts to the mail program and calendar and the tiles give a pretty good glimpse of what is going on. Switching between the desktop and Metro is quick and smooth.
Can't say if I'm going to use it a month from now though, maybe the novelty will fade.
27-10-2012, 09:47 PM #10
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So let me get this straight. I pay $60 and get something that is just like the OS I already have, except more cumbersome to navigate?
27-10-2012, 10:22 PM #11
27-10-2012, 10:34 PM #12
Why would you pay 60$? Don't talk out of your ass.You can get the upgrade if you rock Win 7 right now for 29€ or 39$, plus, you can easily get a promo coupon that'll knock the price down to 14.99$. You pay 60$ if you want the packaged DVD version, but you can just as easily burn the downloadable version yourself, the goddamn Upgrade Assistant will give you the option to make to burn a dvd or install with a USB drive.
28-10-2012, 01:36 AM #13
EDIT: On a more serious note, why are you all excited about Windows 8? Aside from some clever standby modes there is nothing new in the OS and several things that could have been improved upon or introduced since Vista have not been touched:
DPI scaling which was basically left in a half finished state for the past 6 years has not changed.
No control panel features for SSD meaning you still need to install a third party application for things like manual trim and general SSD related optimisation.
No native support for current open source media formats like mkv, FLAC etc. which is puzzling since divx, xvid and mp4 have been supported since Vista.
Microsoft's Bluetooth stack has not been updated to add support for HID Proxy mode (if the bluetooth hardware supports it). Translation: you can't use a bluetooth keyboard in bios after restarting windows, or even logging into windows! This stuff was sorted on Linux and OSX in the early 2000's.
No native multi-seat capabilities. What a missed opportunity!
For some reason, Microsoft did not copy some of the innovative features found in Linux and OSX this time around such as transitioning from the registry system to the Home directory structure, Time Machine, integrated (and free) cloud support or new desktop composition capabilities like Compiz Fusion.
No new audio architecture updates that for example could add support for dolby digital live or dts connect. To get either of these on a PC you either have to be lucky enough to have a motherboard with the capability built into the driver (licensed) or purchase a $250+ soundcard.
Adding bilinear filtering to the Magnifier. I mean, seriously, pixellated Magnifier utility in 2012?
No built-in video desktop backgrounds. This is important if your PC is hooked up to an HDTV and is left on for long periods.
A huge one: no native support for Xbox live or XBLA! Why miss this opportunity?
There are literally 1000's of ways they could have made this an amazing OS release for desktop users and especially hardcore power users / gamers, yet they went with tablet UI and "social media" integration. Gah!
I'm also curious to see how you guys manage using W8 when every corner and edge of the screen seems to trigger something. Good luck and godspeed multi-monitor users!
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28-10-2012, 02:43 AM #14
As for cloud support - Metro supports SkyDrive out of the box, which is free. They probably didn't include it on the desktop for fear of anti-trust lawsuits from Dropbox or Google.
Really, do you even know much about Win8 besides "It's got a new UI therefore I don't like it"? Metro isn't good on desktops, but the majority of your complaints are either outright incorrect or boil down to "It's not a media-PC OS" which shouldn't be a criticism.
28-10-2012, 03:07 AM #15
Microsoft did a clean break when they introduced the Windows Desktop Manager in Vista. Everyone went ape shit and it broke a lot of apps, some people are still on XP because of it - but WDM was sorely needed to turn Windows into a modern OS. Just having a double buffered desktop environment was a huge feature that designers and media editors have been clamouring for since 2001. Some changes, as difficult as they are, need to be made to move the platform forward. Instead of doing a major change that would in thre long run benefit all Windows users, Microsoft went with a tablet UI.
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28-10-2012, 05:23 AM #17
Auto save and revert capability on any document that can be edited by native mac osx apps out of the box.
Infinite Undo all the way to the first version of a document. Not revert to backup, undo as in ctrl+z while editing the document steps you through ALL the changes you made to the document from the first time you created it.
Side by side compare while editing, and ability to copy/paste to and from different document states in comparison view.
I don't call this functionality "basically the same thing" as scheduled backups.
28-10-2012, 07:44 AM #18
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28-10-2012, 07:54 AM #19
If you decide that Win8 isn't for you, that's cool. Clearly lots of people won't like it, or don't think that trying to unify the various form factors is worth it. I won't argue that point too much. I certainly won't argue that Metro is a good thing for the desktop, because it's tolerable at best. But your representation of Win8 isn't accurate. A lot of your criticisms are superficial and ridiculous. I can summarise your criticisms of Win8's x86 desktop mode like this: "I love HTPCs and it doesn't do enough for them. Also, File History isn't Time Machine, and Win8 isn't a major revolution. Therefore it's crap." But neither was Win7, which you love.
28-10-2012, 08:37 AM #20
If you have any windows, XP/Vista/7 on your machine, you go here :
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The promo code to knock the price to 14.99$/€/£ go here:
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