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01-10-2015, 06:32 PM #1
As exemplified by the escapist.
I heard rumblings before about this, but they were by Derek Smart, a person who I do not trust by default (As he posseses a sort of scary arrogance), but the escapist's article sounds credible enough.
Update:Courtesy of EPICTHEFAIL, mr Roberts already has an response.
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01-10-2015, 06:55 PM #2
The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised about this! Ever since the "space plant" malarkey it was obvious this was going to fail.
01-10-2015, 06:58 PM #3
The Escapist's article is also based on Derek Smart's information. I know, I've checked (I am drawn to SC-related shitstorms like a mosquito to my desk lamp). Anyway, I don't particularly trust this, ulterior motives and all that, but I would also be the last person to be surprised by SC dying of a massive cash haemorrhage. I mean, these are the people who ran a fucking reality TV show and have four massive convention appearances a year, including their own CitizenCon, and are run by a man who demands everything to be redesigned at least three times before it's released, even (especially) if it was all right the first time.
edit: SC have just now hit back in the most amusing way imaginable. I still haven't read it through all the way, but can barely hold back from giggling already.
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01-10-2015, 07:27 PM #4
01-10-2015, 07:32 PM #5
Derek Smart. Derek Smart. Derek Smart.Forum janitor in training.
01-10-2015, 07:35 PM #6
01-10-2015, 07:52 PM #7
Frankly I don't trust anything Smart says, but several ex-employees have also talked to Escapist and aired similar concerns apparently (though they may have been the same ones who talked to him). I've also seen a figure of 8 million being thrown around for what's left of their crowdfunding budget, but can't for the life of me find it. I'm not entirely sure it's quite that bad, but the increasingly expensive and amusingly over promising ship sales do have an air of desperation about them, and SC's recent habit of deriding other space sims (especially Elite, which Mr. Roberts supposedly likes) in order to curry favour with their own rabid fanboys certainly reads a lot like "please donate to our church, we blew all our cash on new Audis". This is probably just a matter of a stopped clock being right twice a day though, and money and CR's habitual Molyneux-like overpromising are only some of the many, many problems SC probably has right now.Also known as ATrifleMiffed
01-10-2015, 08:09 PM #8
True, but Chris Roberts also has an ability to deliver. See his Wing Commander franchise, which was an extremely ambitious project which he pulled off just fine (games 3 and 4 are a must play for anyone interested in Sci fi and gaming). Derek Smart has been famous for his (self admitted) trolling antics since before I knew of the existence of a thing known as 'The internet'. Derek Smart is not a broken clock - He's the one messing with them.
(He's not very famous within the FS2 community I frequent, at the very least).
01-10-2015, 08:20 PM #9
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I am baffled people are actually listening and responding to this troll (and he is 100% troll, always was, and always will be), he lost his creditabily a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. (old comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim reader)
01-10-2015, 08:36 PM #10
Like, this is a fascinating story, and it may well be true - but the proof will be in the pudding. I feel like at this point this is just causing unnecessary heat towards the Star Citizen team; if it's a house of cards, it will fall down and we can have all manner of "what happened" pieces then. If it's not, stuff like this will be REALLY embarrassing for the Escapist.
01-10-2015, 08:57 PM #11- If the sound of Samuel Barber's "Adagio For Strings" makes you think of Kharak burning instead of the Vietnamese jungle, most of your youth happened during the 90s. -
01-10-2015, 08:58 PM #12
Can it really crash and burn though? all they have to do is keep churning out special edition ships, or is that honeymoon all over already?
(edit: damn ninja'ed by c-Row)
01-10-2015, 09:18 PM #13
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As a former CIG employee myself, trust me, I am wouldn't lie about this. I would like to say the exact same phrases as Derek Smart, but I am nothing to do with him.
01-10-2015, 09:23 PM #14
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I read the Escapist article (once it had been updated) and thought fair enough, it could go either way, not sure who to believe.
But then I read the response someone posted, and saw that before he addressed the points, he spent 2500 words trying to establish a link between the author and Derek Smart through digging up screenshots from Twitter archives and then attacking Derek Smart himself.
I mean, that guy is a dick but all the Twitter screenshots and "this person knows this person and tweeted this person" gave me bloody flashbacks.
01-10-2015, 09:41 PM #15
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01-10-2015, 09:48 PM #17
01-10-2015, 10:06 PM #18
I am a bit confused as to what this current (linked) article has to do with Derek Smart. Most comments are from current or former CIG employees. And really, when something looks like shit, smells like shit and feels like shit, what are the chances of it being black forest gateau, eh? :)
I would absolutely love to see the game surface and succeed. I loved Wing Commander as a kid (I played it on an 8086 in 10 frames per second and still loved it). However, everything about CR's current endeavor screams arrogance, money scamming and failure.
01-10-2015, 10:07 PM #19
This just keeps getting better: a heartfelt fanboy-turned-employee's yellow-text shower of praise heaped upon CIG, with only the finest purple prose, for your reading pleasure. Forgive me for being cynical, but posting something like that mere hours after a 4000-word rant from your company's chairman does not a good impression make, especially since he does not exactly establish himself as being of particularly sound judgement. The "Rear Admiral" package was $250 IIRC, and he bought it after watching a single trailer?
Edit: Dreamlord, we're talking about Derek Smart because a few weeks back he "dug up" some "dirt" on CIG (by which I mean talked to angry ex-employees and started running interference) that sent their knickers in a twist and resulted in a bunch of people getting fired when Escapist caught wind of it. This is basically a follow-up article to that.
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01-10-2015, 10:19 PM #20