By Alec Meer on February 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm.

This is potentially huge, if it’s done right. This is, if I understand it right, Valve having a little nose at whether it’s possible for the PC to become a console. In fact, to be better than a console. They’ve just announced a “big picture” mode for Steam, which essentially is a revised interface and pepped-up controller support designed for playing your PC games on your TV. Gasp.
Heresy or the Singularity?
We haven’t got much at all to go on until Valve’s talk at GDC later this week (Jim will be there, and hopefully providing excited missives. Look out for him if you’re there – I think he took the purple mechsuit for this trip, but it might have been the green one. Not sure). In the meantime, we have this to decipher and conjecture from:
“…will offer controller support and navigation designed for television interaction. Big picture mode will enable gamers to enjoy Steam and their library of Steam games on more screens throughout the house.
“Our partners and customers have asked us to make Steam available in more places. With the introduction of Steam on the Mac, and soon in Portal 2 on the PS3, we’ve done just that,” said Doug Lombardi, VP of marketing for Valve. “With big picture mode, gaming opportunities for Steam partners and customers become possible via PCs and Macs on any TV or computer display in the house.”
The image that pops into my head is Microsoft’s Windows Media Center, which was a pretty good idea that I’m not convinced entirely took off – not least because Xboxes and PS3s started doing movie streaming perhaps a little more neatly than wiring up a PC to your telly. If the same concept is applied to Steam, I’m guessing they’ve reasoned PC gamers are a rather more techy bunch than the average PC user, and thus more likely to run a DVI or HDMI cable from their graphics card into a free port on whatever monolith of a TV is sat in their living room.
I really like the idea – it’s something I’ve done myself on occasion with various games, though generally have given up trying to balance a keyboard on my knee and reverted to desk + monitor instead. The really tantalising part about this meagre information is the talk of controller support and navigation, which suggests a) Steam will be navigable with a gamepad and b) perhaps there’ll be a little more Steamworks and other built-in support for pads in new games, as opposed to so many PC games’ tendency to treat them like a malodorous relative you know you have to smile at over Christmas dinner but secretly wish they were in a coma.
The lingering question is, of course, the raw practicality of the cabling. I’d need a seven metre HDMI cable to rig my current PC to the telly, or alternatively I could buy a second, dedicated TV PC. I’m not quite ready for either yet, because past experience tells me it’s a messy and laborious system either way. Maybe, however, big-picture Steam will have something up its big sleeves to change my mind – or at least make me think such travails are truly worthwhile.
Any TV PC gamers out there? What are we missing? What’s key to making it work well, rather than merely adequately?



28/02/2011 at 18:53 Arvind says:
This could possibly be huge – console games are costlier compared to PC games, and I will gladly endure some extra hassle for saving $10 each time I buy a game (even more when those steam sales happen).
I sense the one benefit of console games “I can play them on my couch” will no longer be there. So will there be a reason to have consoles? Will Valve become the giantest thing in gaming? Steam is probably as close to a monopoly as you can get in digital distribution already.
28/02/2011 at 18:55 Arvind says:
Of course, this is just speculation from myself. A lot of things can still go wrong.
28/02/2011 at 19:14 agentgray says:
EA game PC prices now are equivalent to their console counterparts–at least in the US of A
28/02/2011 at 19:29 Arvind says:
In India, boxed PC game prices at launch (for all games, AAA or indie) are the rough equivalent of $10 (Rs 999), while console games are still $60 (Rs 3k). So it’s a huge difference depending on where you live I guess.
28/02/2011 at 19:34 sqparadox says:
I have been doing this for years. I get all of my TV and my games through my PC on a 46 in LCD. I’m thrilled to see Steam moving in this direction.
My PC died some years ago and I replaced it with an Xbox 360. Eventually I replaced my PC and after some time found that, not only was I only using my Xbox only for Netflix, but I was no longer watching TV at all. I then gave my Xbox to my roommate and shifted all my entertainment to my Home Theater PC.
It’s a great system, I will never go back. Thanks to Xpadder, I even use a 360 controller for 99% of my windows control. The only downside is the lack of local co-op/splitscreen games available. I have several: L4D and L4D2, Trine, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, Lego Batman, and a long list of other to buy; but the selection is nowhere near that of consoles. I truly hope this will begin to change that.
28/02/2011 at 19:41 Phyla says:
Splitscreen multiplayer, or am I missing something?
28/02/2011 at 20:54 battles_atlas says:
If this boosted implementation of split screen multiplayer for PC games I’d be delighted. The one time I regret not having a console is when I’ve mates round. I once moved the pc downstairs for the evening for an evening of two player Streetfighter, but such possibilities are few and far between.
The OP is getting ahead of himself though – consoles are still much cheaper at the point of purchase. Ok maybe right now with the current consoles pretty ancient you could get an equivalent PC for nearly similiar money, but for the first few years of the next cycle there will once again be no competition thanks to the subsidies from Sony and MS. Of course if you consider that people will spend several hundred quid on a basic PC/laptop anyway for the home, a bit extra to make it a gaming PC makes it easily a better option. But people are dumb. Console owners especially. So the console remains safe.
28/02/2011 at 18:55 passingstranger says:
It seems to me that this is going to have a hard time taking off as long as it requires the masses to run a video cable of whatever ungodly length from their PC to their TV. If there was a way to do this via Wi-Fi, however, that could be interesting.
28/02/2011 at 19:18 Deston says:
I agree with you on the wiring being a huge barrier, but we already have wireless HD protocols and devices. It’s just still in the early first generation right now.
http://www.wirelesshdmi.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_HDMI
It’s only a matter of time before this kind of stuff takes off in a big way though… most people loathe wired solutions when there is an alternative, even if performance or security are often degraded somewhat.
28/02/2011 at 20:58 battles_atlas says:
Problem solved
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-kfa2-gtx-460-whdi-3600mhz-gddr5-gpu-675mhz-shader-clock-1350mhz-336-cores-wireless
28/02/2011 at 23:13 passingstranger says:
There are some damn cool products on the market, but I was speaking more about the necessity for these things to be mainstream as opposed to in the corner of a home theater specialty shop. That said, this does seem like the logical next step if things end up going PC-focused as opposed to other solutions like streaming media through consoles or set-top boxes.
01/03/2011 at 09:32 plugmonkey says:
Indeed. I’ve been saying this for ages:
When it finally becomes time to upgrade, my next PC will almost certainly be some sort of console. Or my next console will be some sort of PC. Depending on which way you look at it.
I’m very glad to see that Valve are thinking the same way.
28/02/2011 at 18:58 nayon says:
Umm…. My PC is already connected to my HDTV… What’s the big deal here?
28/02/2011 at 19:15 Maykael says:
Same here, but I would guess that many people may have their gaming PC in a different room than their HDTV. Well hooray for long cables then! :) Couple that with an app for your smartphone that allows touch-pad control on the PC through Wi-Fi and you get a way better entertainment center than the PS3 and Xbox 360 combined. That’s actually the main reason I have yet to purchase an HD console.
Anyway it’s a nice addition. Some games are meant to be played with a gamepad on a TV (think Prince of Persia or Tomb Raider). I’ve tried a shooter once like this, though.. horrid experience.
28/02/2011 at 22:22 Pointless Puppies says:
Did you read the article? The very first sentence of the press quote:
will offer controller support and navigation designed for television interaction.
01/03/2011 at 14:30 Sic says:
I still don’t get what this is about.
All that stuff is connected to my PC. Steam is on my PC. TVs are never going to implement any sort of hardware for Steam.
What is this?
03/03/2011 at 07:20 Martha Stuart says:
Seriously i dont see the big deal here. i have had my PC hooked up to my HDTV for almost 2 years now. With XBMC and Win 7 media center plus a tv tuner card, i basically have a super badass cable box and custom DVR set up. now add in Steam for TV and you have a custom build console that will replace you Cable box/DVR, DVD player, Stereo, and console all in one fell swoop!!! Hurrah for VALVE!!!!
And seriously people, if you cant get under your house and and run a few feet of cable, and install 2 wall plates then i dont know what to tell you.
28/02/2011 at 19:06 dartt says:
I tried playing Men of War on my television and while it was pretty spectacular it was also slightly uncomfortable and I’m not entirely sure why. Perhaps I’m used to leaning forward slightly and having to sit back and move my head around to look at things was off-putting.
Obviously, I could move it back a bit but then it wouldn’t be much different than using the monitor and I think I’d find it harder to read smaller text at a distance even if it’s the same relative size.
28/02/2011 at 19:54 LoopyDood says:
To tell you the truth, that looks like an incredibly uncomfortable desk.
28/02/2011 at 21:54 dethtoll says:
It’s a very uncomfortable desk. I have just like it. I don’t use it anymore, because it’s falling apart sorta- so I stuck my big-screen CRT (which is over 10 years old) on it and as long as the desk is in a corner with a pair of walls to lean against it’s all good.
28/02/2011 at 23:14 dartt says:
Yeah, it’s pretty awful, I have to keep my chair low so my legs fit under the frame that goes around bottom, this frame also prevents the arms of my chair getting underneath the table so I can’t tuck myself in tight.
I got it for free so it has stuck around but maybe I should look in to getting a new one…
28/02/2011 at 23:47 hexapodium says:
The text size thing is my concern, as well – at 1080p, “normal” size text is all but unreadable and you have to opt for an unmodded Oblivion-sized display of anything you want to interact with: give me my 10pt font datacubes of Deus Ex, damnit!
Also, not all of us have graphics cards that can drive 1920×1080 at happy framerates. I’m sure my 8800GT would have trouble with anything but DX9 games.
28/02/2011 at 19:07 noom says:
I do hook my PC up to the telly on occasion, though mainly for film watching. I’ve also done it for playing the likes of Trine, and any racing games I own (anything using a pad essentially). This is partially only possible due to living in a tiny flat, where everything I own is already located next to everything else I own. Otherwise I wouldn’t bother. The big issue that’s not touched on above is audio; I currently have my stereo hooked up with its speakers on either side of the telly, and it shouldn’t be too much issue to run the audio through properly with a straight L/R phono cable style thingum into its auxillary input, as soon as I get round to buying said cable (rather than the fairly awful option I’ve tried of running the audio straight from my PC headphone jack into the stereo’s mic input. Not recommended). TV’s might be a little more picky on their inputs, especially regarding the combination of separate audio and visual inputs, though I’m certainly no expert on that front. I only know my TV wouldn’t do it. Am I right in thinking that some GFX cards have inbuilt audio capabilities and can transmit audio down DVI/HDMI? Sure I read that somewhere…
But yeah, I definitely think there’s scope here. Having a couple of long cables trailing about isn’t a huge issue, and they can be fairly easily unplugged when not in use. It’s an especially good option for multiplayer stuff as well, particularly with xbox 360 pad support becoming commonplace with PC games.
28/02/2011 at 19:10 Al3xand3r says:
Eh, it’s just a little bit of extra convenience for people who want their PC hooked up to a TV or similar scenarios. Bigger interface for the larger distance TVs are usually set at and the ability to navigate Steam with a gamepad so that they don’t have to switch between devices just to launch a different game. It’s not a big deal as implied (for what reason, I don’t really understand), but a nice acknowledgement of the different ways people use their so very capable and versatile PCs in, with some extra convenience for a good portion of them. It certainly doesn’t make the PC a console (thank God, lol). It seems people who think it’s a big deal aren’t aware that PCs can already be connected to TVs, and that a good portion of PC games can already be played with a gamepad. It’s not like they’ll add gamepad support to games that don’t have it already or like they’ll make it easier for people to connect a PC to a TV (it’s already simple enough) or like they launch a Steam console for sale, or whatever other hyperbole. Unless of course they actually announce crazy stuff like that during the GDC, lol.
28/02/2011 at 19:12 phuzz says:
You can get wireless video gizmos now. Dunno how expensive/useful they are.
I’ve gone the other way, and picked up a £10 usb telly dongle for my pc. Monitors are generally cheaper than TVs anyway (and a lot of monitors have HDMI inputs so you could plug one into your sky box or whatever).
28/02/2011 at 19:12 agentgray says:
Simple. A Steam console.
28/02/2011 at 19:19 Acacia says:
A steam streaming console. Steamwoks + Onlive-esque service, is the missing link.
28/02/2011 at 23:22 dadioflex says:
The Apextreme (pronounced APE-EXTREME – don’t believe what anyone else tells you) was going to be a consolized PC. Did not catch on.
28/02/2011 at 19:14 mandrill says:
Until the day comes when a PC game will load and work flawlessly on every one of the disparate collections of components that make up the current PC market then this is just window dressing and nothing like the PC being consolified.
28/02/2011 at 19:24 Al3xand3r says:
Heh. You’ll notice plenty console games don’t run flawlessly on every system (and if by flawlessly we go the extra mile and claim 60fps at at least 1080p with vsync then there are barely any examples, but I won’t go there), and there’s plenty of not always successful patching involved for console games. Not to mention all sorts of hardware failures. That the PC architecture is more versatile and organic giving you the choice to more or less upgrade when you choose, rather than when a single master company tells you it’s time (or you won’t be able to enjoy any new game ever again regardless of the power it really requires out of a system), thanks to the breathing room you get due to the different settings, as well as the fact great new games often don’t have that high requirements so don’t demand a new system, at least until your hardware becomes completely obsolette (which depending on the games can surpass the average console life cycle, if you choose wisely) is a bonus, rather than a flaw.
28/02/2011 at 20:08 DrGonzo says:
He wasn’t saying the PC was shit. Just that there are often hardware issues with PC games. Though I think his statement would be fairer if it read, all PC games and not a PC game, as plenty of games do run flawlessly on nearly all PCs, just not all. And it wouldn’t be fair to say that it should work flawlessly on ALL Pcs, as I have had many a console game go wrong for me, especially this latest generation.
28/02/2011 at 20:18 Al3xand3r says:
And I wasn’t saying he said PC is shit. So, great!
28/02/2011 at 23:59 mandrill says:
i wasn’t saying that the PC is shit, he wasn’t saying that I was saying that the PC is shit. What I am saying is that the PC is not as simple, either from the pov of the end user or the pov of developers, as the console. There is no such thing as a ‘standard’ PC and this means that devs have to cater to a huge range of different hardware configurations. Similarly, using a PC is complex, especially for games.
Personally, I don’t have a TV since my 32″ flatscreen died, and even when I did it was used more as a monitor for the PC that was plugged into it rather than for watching the dross that is pumped out by broadcasters these days.
Steam adapting their interface to be used with a controller on a big TV is not a bad thing, but saying that it is a step towards consolifying the PC is taking it a bit far. If it is a step, then it is a microscopic one compared to other steps that could (but shouldn’t be) taken to do this.
Steam on a big TV will still have all the issues that are normally associated with PC gaming (invasive DRM, GFWL, Incompatible hardware, etc, etc) They’ll just be on a big TV.
Another thing: Valve is known and renowned for its FPS games (Half Life, TF2, L4D, Portal), do you really see PC FPS gamers giving up the mouse and keyboard for a control pad just to play their gmaes on a big screen? Personally I loathe games whose menus are only useable with the keyboard or a control pad (console ports mostly) and don’t allow for the point and click of the mouse. It may be that this is step towards creating a Kinect style interface for Steam, which would be very interesting, but I seriously don’t see current Steam users getting too excited about using a control pad.
01/03/2011 at 00:18 Pointless Puppies says:
I seriously don’t see current Steam users getting too excited about using a control pad.
I do, because if I’ve hooked up my TV to my PC and plan on using the control pad to play for several hours, I would much rather have a streamlined-for-controllers interface that lets me jump between game and use all of Steam’s features without having to prop up a mouse and keyboard in the middle of my living room.
And just to throw it out there, the fact that consoles have standard hardware isn’t preventing lazyass developers from making horribly unoptimized games that can’t even push a steady 30 FPS or release relatively bug-free games. You know, at least Steam downloads updates for all my games automatically and applies them as soon as I’m signed on, rather than having to wait 30 minutes staring at my PS3 updating and installing at an excruciatingly low pace. And if your console fails for whatever reason, good luck. You’re at the mercy of Sony/MS now, unlike on a PC where you can fix it yourself with far much ease. Don’t just assume gaming is simpler on consoles just because it’s easier to hook up. In many ways it’s far more annoying.
01/03/2011 at 15:41 Al3xand3r says:
No, Steam having larger text and gamepad support won’t change the nature of PC gaming. Newsflash: It doesn’t claim to and it’s not supposed to. It’s just extra convenience. It doesn’t need to get big, or go mainstream or whatever else. Its purpose is a tiny bit more user friendly experience for a portion of users who like their computers in their living room. They’re out there! Why you are down on this for not doing things it’s not supposed to be doing, or stating the obvious, is beyond me so I’ll leave it at that.
28/02/2011 at 19:14 noom says:
I do hook my PC up to the telly on occasion, though mainly for film watching. I’ve also done it for playing the likes of Trine, and any racing games I own (anything using a pad essentially). This is partially only possible due to living in a tiny flat, where everything I own is already located next to everything else I own. Otherwise I wouldn’t bother. The big issue that’s not touched on above is audio; I currently have my stereo hooked up with its speakers on either side of the telly, and it shouldn’t be too much issue to run the audio through properly with a straight L/R phono cable style thingum into its auxillary input, as soon as I get round to buying said cable (rather than the fairly awful option I’ve tried of running the audio straight from my PC headphone jack into the stereo’s mic input. Not recommended). TV’s might be a little more picky on their inputs, especially regarding the combination of separate audio and visual inputs, though I’m certainly no expert on that front. I only know my TV wouldn’t do it. Am I right in thinking that some GFX cards have inbuilt audio capabilities and can transmit audio down DVI/HDMI? Sure I read that somewhere…
But yeah, I definitely think there’s scope here. Having a couple of long cables trailing about isn’t a huge issue, and they can be easily unplugged when not in use. It’s an especially good option for multiplayer stuff as well, particularly with xbox 360 pad support becoming commonplace with PC games.
28/02/2011 at 19:15 4xis.black says:
Wake up, Mr. Freeman… You, uh, you fell asleep watching Star Trek again.
28/02/2011 at 20:44 Koozer says:
How can you fall asleep watching Star Trek? The original series anyway.
28/02/2011 at 22:01 Sarlix says:
Quite easily if it’s Spocks Brain or I,mudd
28/02/2011 at 19:16 tsmike says:
“Our partners and customers have asked us to make Steam available in more places…”
They were probably thinking more along the lines of Linux. From what I’ve seen people have been asking for a Linux client for years, I haven’t seen one person say “I want to access Steam from my TV.”
28/02/2011 at 19:22 moondog548 says:
I just saw you say it. Right there! See!
28/02/2011 at 20:27 Pantsman says:
This was just my reading, but by “partners and customers” I assumed they meant the publishers and developers who put their games on Steam.
28/02/2011 at 23:04 Zhou says:
As Pantsman said, I inferred that they meant “we’ve been listening to the guys who regularly give us big bags of money” ;p.
(Note; I realise this may not be a perfect description of steam’s business model.)
28/02/2011 at 19:16 Bilbo says:
I already do this, because my lounge is fairly pokey so I only need a short cable. I find it really enjoyable to play my PC games from my couch – not to mention how good it is to give my mouse hand and hunched shoulders a well-earned break – and am excited about the prospect of Valve spending some of those illicit TF2 hat dollars on research into making it a bit easier – it’s something of a faff at the moment.
28/02/2011 at 19:16 noom says:
Well this is fun. I wrote a big long post here and it’s saying it posted but isn’t showing. I tried a couple times so if this thread his suddenly hit by noom-spam, I apologize.
Assuming this post works of course…
28/02/2011 at 19:31 Bhazor says:
Well it won’t make us think any less of you.
28/02/2011 at 19:16 James G says:
I’m wondering if it indicates that Valve are planning for some kind of inbuilt DLNA style live streaming streaming, a sort of in house OnLive/Gaikai kind of thing. Obviously the ‘media PC interface’ thing is the simpler possibility, but it isn’t the most exciting one.
28/02/2011 at 19:20 Theory says:
They will be streaming from your video card to the screen, in real time!
28/02/2011 at 19:17 Xanadu says:
After a bit of initial reluctance, I picked up a gampad for my PC recently and haven’t looked back. Particularly good for more cross-platform games such as Tomb Raider or Super Meat Boy. Actually as an ex-console gamer I’m quite happy to use gampad for tradional PC genres – please don’t burn me at the stake, but on my PS1 I played and completed both X-Com and Command & Conquer, and the save restrictions were far more onerous than the gamepad.
I guess the bigger hurdle to playing Steam games on my lounge is getting a PC that is smaller/quieter than my desktop, and more mobile with fewer cables. Alternatively a laptop with more powerful/better graphics than usual. Whilst these are available, they’re less common and mainstream than “standard” laptops/desktops.
28/02/2011 at 19:18 Acidburns says:
I think it’d be interesting to try. There is certainly scope of improving fonts and interfaces even on HD TVs. I don’t know what it would add over a 24″ widescreen monitor. More ways to play is great.
28/02/2011 at 19:20 shoptroll says:
Computer is currently hooked into the TV via HDMI output on the second display for my Radeon 5850. Simple to push Ctrl+P to toggle to the TV and then I can get playing on the couch.
Right now I use this primarily for Worms Reloaded or classic You Don’t Know Jack games inside a VM.
If Big Picture mode is a simple hotkey to change the layout of the Steam app and overlay that would be great. Not a huge deal to me but that will make the difference when trying to navigate on the couch even with a keyboard + mouse. Youtube did something similar ago which worked pretty well I think.
Not sure what they plan to do with controllers though. To be honest the biggest problem I find with controller support is that MS’s certification process only checks for Xbox 360 support. I’ve found enough instances where there’s limited support for anything by Logitech which is severely irritating as their Wireless RumblePad 2 runs about $20 cheaper than a 360 pad and provides almost the same button layout (as a SNES and Playstation user I prefer the Dualshock layout more). Oh, and if the game was built with XNA you’re pretty much locked into a 360 pad as this API only supports that for some crazy reason when DirectInput should still exist in this day and age.
Maybe they’re planning a 360 controller emulator / interceptor tool for Steam. That would probably do the trick. I can’t think of anything else aside from telling MS to support non-MS controllers in XNA.
28/02/2011 at 19:20 Lambchops says:
Hmm, I might use this from time to time. I already hook my laptop up to my telly to use it as a DVD/Blu-ray player. Never quite got round to trying it for games yet but anything that means I don’t have to get off my lazy arse as often to use the mouse is alright by me!
28/02/2011 at 19:20 Gundato says:
Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t mind this for using my laptop. When I was having massive computer issues for a while, I tried to play Jade Empire and Bionic Commando: Rearmed on my tv using my laptop, my 360 gamepad (love that thing. Every PC gamer should get one), and an HDMI cable. Worked fairly well (outside of the annoying need to get up and use the touchpad to boot things up), but would definitely have preferred to just use the controller alone (like with the PS3).
That being said, I suspect/hope this has more to do with the coming Portal 2 on PS3. Maybe push a small portion of the Steam storefront to the consoles (sort of like how Hulu and netflicks work with the PS3). Only problem there will be how Sony/MS/Nintendo feel about a competing DD service.
28/02/2011 at 19:23 kwyjibo says:
This is not going to take off, but it will be a useful feature.
It’ll do better than Google TV, because Valve won’t have to fight the content companies to implement it. But on the other hand, the percentage of people who are going to go down the Media Centre route is going to be small.
You either need a dedicated machine, which because it’s a PC will make it more expensive than a console. Or you need to be content docking your gaming-spec laptop in (which to be honest is most laptops produced today) which most people can’t be bothered with.
28/02/2011 at 19:27 Vandelay says:
I remember one time my parents (or, more importantly, my mum) was away and I hooked up my PC to the TV. It is a pretty epic experience, but certainly not the easiest to control, what with it limiting the places you can comfortably place a keyboard and mouse. Like I say, the added inconvenience of not wanting to get in other peoples’ way also means it is something I wouldn’t do regularly or even infrequently.
Would these additions to Steam make something like this easy? A little bit. Is it going to encourage me or anyone else who doesn’t already hook a computer up to a TV? I very much doubt it.
Then again, I’ve often thought that, once I get my own place, having a computer hooked up to a TV for playing games suited to a controller/using Iplayer, 4od, LoveFilm etc. in the living room and another machine in a study or bedroom for the keyboard and mouse games, as well as working on, would be great.
The dream though is to one day have a place with a basement, construct my own cinema, which also has a PC hooked up to it. Just imagine playing your games on a whole friggin’ wall!
28/02/2011 at 19:28 Miker says:
This may very well bring over more console ports, which I’m honestly pretty excited about. I’m a big fan of 3rd person action games, and I’d love to see some more on the PC. But without a second PC, a long wire, or your TV in your PC room, it’s a bit impractical.
Also, Alec, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to link to the full press release on Steam News.
28/02/2011 at 19:28 Novotny says:
My next pc purchase is going to be a stupid-big telly anyways. Are you sure they’re not eyeing up Onlive?
28/02/2011 at 19:30 Vrokolos says:
I’m a projector gamer and what I’d love to see is gamepad support on the steam overlay like what games for windows does with the guide button on the gamepad.
Just FYI projectors and big screen TVs are not very suitable for non-gamepad games really.
28/02/2011 at 19:33 Tei says:
This is for people that already own a TV.
I don’t have one. How much cost one? 800$?, why would anyone pay that much for a I/O device?
28/02/2011 at 19:50 Gundato says:
Mostly because it is more comfortable to sit in front of a TV with loved ones/friends than in front of a computer.
And, after a long day of work (especially if you are in a computer-related industry), it really is hard to sit down and use the compy again. Sometimes, just vegging out on a different type of LCD is what the mind needs.
That’s actually why I love my PS3. It won’t replace a PC in my heart (if only because I like flight/mech sims and FPSes), but sometimes my mind just needs to sit down and do some mindless platforming/GTA-cloning on a TV/couch.
28/02/2011 at 20:20 Novotny says:
[humour]my wife costs far more than that and she’s little more than.. etc etc[/humour]
28/02/2011 at 20:44 Al3xand3r says:
What stops you from doing platforming/gta-ing on your couch with your PC? There’s plenty of that available, connecting a PC to a TV isn’t rocket science, and there are a lot more mindless stuff too.
28/02/2011 at 21:00 Gundato says:
In my case, it is largely because I don’t want a really long HDMI cable (let alone the mouse/keyboard).
Plus, as much as people whinge about “this was consolified”, a lot of the games just seem to play “better” on a TV. I played Assassin’s Creed 2 on my PC and AC: Brotherhood on my PS3. All DRM aside, I had a much better experience with the latter (admittedly, gameplay may have been a factor). It just “felt” right.
I would posit that third-person games with lots of movement largely “feel” better on consoles/TV (at least, to me) due to the more movie-like experience. Whereas the more first-person atmospheric games tend to feel better on the smaller PC screen (often with headphones).
Could that be obtained on the PC? Probably, Steam might prove it. But until then, there is just that hard to describe feeling.
Plus, Symphony of the Night. A 300 dollar PS3 is totally worth it just for Symphony on the PSN. Everyone needs to play Symphony.
And, in less stupid news, the aforementioned media-server aspect of a PS3 is nice.
But either way, the dude was asking about why a TV. So if you use your PC on your TV or a console, I think we can all agree that a TV provides a different experience.
28/02/2011 at 22:50 Al3xand3r says:
Huh? Yes, games like AC (a shallow repetitive platformer with no real challenge, but anyway, it’s just an example) are better suited to gamepads as other games are better suited to mice as other games are better suited to touch or motion controls. Although I have to disagree with your vague all encompassing comment about third person games being better on traditional gamepads, since plenty third person games play almost exactly like first person shooters, and thus are better with a mouse or at least a new fangled pointing device which comes close enough.
Still, none of that plays into what I actually said because, well, newsflash: gamepads and other input methods aren’t console exclusive!
What makes consoles more cinematic exactly? The display device dictates the type of content that is put on it? Since when? Plenty people watch movies on their computers, whether that’s on a TV or a nice monitor as it connects to both just as well, them saying that PC is more cinematic for this reason wouldn’t be valid, just as what you’re saying isn’t.
The often awful frame rate (where you can’t even lower the settings to make it perform better) and muddy low res visuals that don’t take advanage of even a decent HDTV’s native res don’t somehow make it more cinematic either.
Yes, there are PS3 exclusive games, 360 exclusive games, Wii, DS, PSP, etc, exclusive games and, here it comes, PC exclusive games! None of that is really relevant here, we’re just discussing potential TV gaming and I’m personally arguing against the notion that the PC is somehow deprived from that, when it’s really not, as it’s up to what the invidual wants. There’s no commandment that says a console shall not be on a monitor and a PC shall not be on a TV.
What the majority does is irrelevant when it’s just as easy to not follow the majority. It doesn’t take a genious to connect a PC on a TV nowadays, nor very specialised hardware. If you have some kind of psychological block for either case, I’d say you’re in the minority, with most people considering these devices generic hardware that they use however they see fit, even if how they see fit tends to fit your descriptions.
Although, laptops especially are very often connected to TVs or other monitors. That doesn’t make laptops more cinematics than PCs either, heh.
01/03/2011 at 03:30 Gundato says:
What makes consoles different?
I would argue, it is the mentality of the gamer.
PC gamers tend to favor “skill based” games like CoD and Instagib in Unreal Tournament (ie. twitch based gameplay). Ironically, we also favor the other extreme in that 4x games and (large scale) turn-based games thrive on the PC. And, of course, there are the hardcore sims that just don’t work on consoles. If you want to be pro-PC gaming, we like sophisticated movies that actually have plots and talented directors. If you want to be honest, we are like the art snobs who like to watch independent films.
Console games tend to favor the kind of game where you say “Holy crap. Dude, get over here and watch me kill this monster with a boat!”. That leads to a preference for “stylish” FPS games (say what you will about the Modern Warfares, it is kind of hard to not think the mass of quicktime events that was the ending of MW2 was pretty cool), platformers, and action games. Plus, there are the party games that just don’t work on the PC (oh yeah, everyone crowds around the keyboard. THAT ends well). For pro-console, we prefer movies that are fun to watch, as opposed to one guy saying “moist” over and over in a single room for three hours. If you want to be honest, we like explosions and Ahnold’s jiggling pectoral muscles.
PC Gaming (for the most part), just doesn’t evoke that same sensation. We tend to prefer the kind of gameplay feat that makes one say “Holy crap, I am awesome” (like winning a Trial of Possession against a bunch of clanners) as opposed to “Holy crap, mass of polygons is freaking awesome” (like beating Zeus to death with your bare hands). You could do both of those on a console or both on a PC, but you generally only find the former on PCs and the latter on consoles.
We get angry when control is taken away from us and we are forced to do a QTE on a PC game. Why? Because being hunched over and looking at a small screen (the “standard” PC gaming style) tends to lead to very focused and character driven games. But on a console, it isn’t that bad, since you tend to not get so heavily focused on the player character, and tend to appreciate the zany environment more. And you tend to have friends and family sitting around you who say “Holy crap, I never thought two old guys beating the crap out of each other on top of a submarine could be so awesome…”
One is not necessarily better than the other. And there are definitely cases where there is a pretty huge overlap (Just Cause 2 is a pretty good example. Same with Max Payne 1/2. Or the plethora of turn-based games on the consoles, for the other angle). But, at the end of the day, there are experiences on both platforms that just can’t be replicated/haven’t been replicated. Maybe this new thing from Steam will help, but only time will tell. That being said, I doubt it will fully bridge the gap. Because PC gamers still prefer their kinds of games, and it is almost always going to be easier to plug a PS3 or XBOX in and never deal with it again, as opposed to periodically having to run updates for Steam and Windows/Mac/whatever else Valve port Steam to.
But we digress, the main reason this massive reply stream started was because someone was asking why get a TV. And I think we can all agree that some things are better experienced on a larger screen while sitting on a couch.
01/03/2011 at 03:45 pipman3000 says:
Console games tend to favor the kind of game where you say “Holy crap. Dude, get over here and watch me kill this monster with a boat!”
unless they’re playing demons souls, then they say “Holy crap. Dude, get over here and watch me die for the 80th time!”
01/03/2011 at 15:48 Al3xand3r says:
Eh, that’s silly. It’s like saying what makes PC gamers different is the 13 hour gaming streaks in MMOs. Yeah, the highest selling PC game currently is an MMO and the highest selling console game an FPS, that doesn’t show what the users are like, just what is being marketed the most. RPGs sell well on consoles (see the cries of fans of certain franchises for consolised sequels, heh). Even Civilization, a turn based strategy game, has had popular ports from 2 or before, not to mention there are plenty strategic series that originate on consoles (mostly from the Eastern developers). On the other hand, FPS (duh) and action games sell well on PC. Even platform games do. See Super Meat Boy selling better on Steam than XBLA for example (but of course being an indie game the numbers are nothing like say, a Super Mario entry, heh).
Any difference in gamer attitude has more to do with marketing and even more to do with the rest of the hardware and how plug-and-play-friendly it is rather than the display it’s connected to which is largely irrelevant and everyone goes with what they have, want, and find convenient rather than a mental block telling them don’t connect this to that or else.
And no, most PC gamers don’t have tiny screens that they need to hunch over. Perhaps smaller than a living room TV but considering the distance to them, they’re pretty big, and with the same or higher fidelity than any HDTV. If you hunch over, you probably should get a decent chair and sit properly…
28/02/2011 at 19:35 Teddy Leach says:
But… But why do we need a TV to play games? We have monitors!
28/02/2011 at 19:54 skinlo says:
This. People talk about a bigger screen, but they sit a lot further back from it so in real terms the difference is negligible. I have a comfy chair to sit on, a desk at the right height, and a superior control system, why would I try and replicate a console experience with my PC. If I wanted a console, I would have bought one.
28/02/2011 at 20:20 bildo says:
Becasue, you can :) Brb, I have to go buy 4 video cards so I can plug em’ into my liquid nitrogen cooled system with everything OC’d by 1000%
28/02/2011 at 19:35 tengblad says:
Interesting. I’ve been playing around with the idea of building a smaller, quieter PC that I can hook up to my TV and play some of my multi-platform Steam games on. Things like Dead Rising 2 and Red Faction: Guerrilla would probably play better on a big screen TV with a proper sound system. This (potential) announcement makes that idea all the more tempting…
28/02/2011 at 19:39 xfxian says:
Screw this! I vote HERESY!
28/02/2011 at 19:40 Xanadu says:
There’s a certain irony in reading this (on my mobile) after being kicked off the PC by my wife (work > games) in front of a large screen tv with no means of playing games on it…
28/02/2011 at 19:50 Vague-rant says:
I’m currently gaming mainly on my laptop (not particularly beastly hardware wise, but plays every game I’ve thrown at it OK). So my dock is set up near my TV with the HDMI and controller dongle thingy plugged in. I just dump my laptop in the dock, boot it and PC gaming on the TV is go.
I hope this doesn’t mess too much with my current system. Right now I have Xpadder set up exactly how I like with about 50 different automatic profiles for different games/programs, and it would be a huge pain to mess with things again.
Edit: Using steam with a gamepad isn’t actually too difficult, if all you want to do is launch games. Just leave steam in tile mode most of the time, map scrolling to the Dpad and use the cursor with an analogue stick to click on the giant tile buttons. Once you’ve set Xpadder up, runs fairly smoothly.
28/02/2011 at 19:51 JRubRub says:
The thing that made mouse/keyboard gaming really work for me on a projector was a keypad (Logitech G13, Nostromo, et al) beside me on the couch, rather than a keyboard on my lap and a hard mouse pad to sit on the armrest. Once I got used to it, it was as comfy to use as sitting at a desk, and at least on a projector, I never found interface element size to be a bother. I had my main computer hooked up like that for half a year before I realized the lamps were only going to last 9 months if I used the projector that much. If I could justify a dedicated gaming computer, it would be going right back up on the projector.
28/02/2011 at 19:52 Riaktion says:
Thats great news, I PC game on my 42 inch TV and having a bigger steam would be a good thing
28/02/2011 at 19:54 HunterZ says:
Been thinking of installing Steam on my HTPC and playing Monkey Island or something on it. This news makes it all the more tempting.
28/02/2011 at 21:05 battles_atlas says:
Thats exactly what I did and I recommend it heartily. Monkey Island, Braid and Goo, those are about all my HTPC can manage. Damn do they look good though
28/02/2011 at 19:57 matrices says:
I have hooked up my gaming PC to the 54″ Plasma in the past. Used wireless mouse and keyboard and two Tablemate IIs. Did it work? Yes. Did it look great for most games? Yes. Was it as comfortable as using a controller? Hell no. I eventually retreated to the desk.
It’s not going to work for the masses: the console already *is* what this thing is trying to become, so why would Steam want to do this? Probably for the reason they already listed: to expand the potential space of Steam. But it’s hardly going to be “big” in the sense of mass adoption.
28/02/2011 at 19:57 Hairball says:
If they are adding more ways to access Steam I would have thought a linux client be more appropriate but this could turn out well.
28/02/2011 at 19:59 Dominic White says:
I already play PC games from my sofa, on an HDTV, with wireless controllers. It’s pretty great. Having built-in gamepad support for Steam for simple navigation/launching would be better still.
I am typing this from my sofa RIGHT NOW.
28/02/2011 at 23:17 Monchberter says:
So am i! Trying to play TF2 on a pad on my HTPC however…
Get your house in order Valve! And make splitscreen gaming native for your multiplayer titles!
I enjoy Fallout NV, Super Meat Boy, Dirt 2 etc much more on my flatscreen tv than at a desk. AND of course most games look much better through a half decent pc than their console equivalents. Much to the envy of my Xbox360 owning friends. What’s even funnier is that with native pad support, I can even play Crysis slumped on my sofa!
01/03/2011 at 04:38 Dao Jones says:
Same! I have been using my PC on my 40″ TV for over a year now and the only problem I have using this setup is with Steam chat and menus. I can’t seem to make the font any bigger. Stinks since the big plus playing PC games on my TV is I don’t have to wear my glasses as often. :-\
28/02/2011 at 20:15 mlaskus says:
Right now using Steam on a TV is painful, mainly because it doesn’t allow to scale the text. Which is rather perplexing as it uses Webkit for rendering the content and I’m pretty sure scaling is already implemented in it.
28/02/2011 at 21:05 appropriate touching says:
Yeah, the major problem with steam’s interface on a TV has always been the stupid fixed font size, something they amazingly didn’t even fix with the redesign. So maybe they’ll finally get around to that, now that it’s less of an issue since most people have massive TVs anyway…
28/02/2011 at 20:16 bildo says:
I have a Kate Archer TV. It’s near my computer too. Valve wins again.
28/02/2011 at 20:22 pupsikaso says:
Heresy.
28/02/2011 at 20:35 bascule42 says:
I have my PC permanantly connected to the the TV with an HDMI cable, (got a 10m HDMI cable from e-bay for £7.50, the seller had missed a “1″ off the price – stroke of luck). Shortcuts for enabling/disabling extetended/copied desktop to the TV in ATI, sry, AMD’s CCC. Works pretty well for some games. Though the resololution is be slightly blurry on the TV. Not good for RTS at all. At the mo, I just use to watch DVD’s and TV catch up services, (iPlayer, 4oD). It’s OK for racing games, though I only play NFS Shift now and then and other games where you can sit back in comfort to play. But it’s a permanant setup and very quick to use.
But…it didn’t feel like a PC gaming session. Strange, I know but that’s how it is for me. And I would imagine for many that despite it definitely being the PC running your game, that the PC Gamer within will balk at this idea of sitting like a console gamer. Sounds silly I know. It is silly. But from my experience playing Arma 2 on the TV, I wanted to get back into my chair, at my desk, with my keyboard on it’s little drawer and the mouse above it – even if I did have the keyboard on an extended USB cable with the mouse plugged in the back of it. I still felt AFK. Not good for PC Gamers.
28/02/2011 at 20:36 Iztli says:
IGN interviewed Doug Lombardi at a recent EA press event, and are now reporting Valve’s interest in providing a gamepad peripheral:
Though there are certainly gamepads out there for PC players to use (the Xbox 360 controller, for example), Lombardi states that Valve is very much interested in producing its own. “It’s actually something that, I mean there’s nothing to announce yet, but it’s something we’re definitely looking at. … There’s a lot of games coming out right now on Steam that might be better [with a controller].”
It seems like all the pieces are coming together with this new Big Picture mode
28/02/2011 at 20:50 Crescend says:
Right, guess its time to buy a TV then :P
28/02/2011 at 21:03 Duffin says:
Am I the only person who does NOT like to play my games on the couch. Nothing better than a nice snuggly office chair.
28/02/2011 at 21:04 Cross says:
I don’t even have an HDTV in my room, so it is of little personal effect to me, but i strongly approve of Valve waltzing into our living rooms and telling Sony and Micro$oft to GTFO and let some proper game developers in.
28/02/2011 at 21:07 Wang Tang says:
I hope they’re thinking about LAN-streaming, i.e. streaming a game from my PC to the HTPC, which is already connected to my TV, and streaming the inputs back. That would also be awesome for underpowered laptops…
28/02/2011 at 21:10 Optimaximal says:
This could be a good application for
Light PeakThunderbolt!28/02/2011 at 21:11 Mooglepies says:
Sounds good. I have a 40″ 1080p telly that I hook up to my PC regularly (used it as a monitor for 3 years), so this is more than welcome.
It does mean that developers need to make controller support more consistent as well though; one of the (only?) good things to come out of Games for Windows was that when a game for it came out, you knew it would at least have support for the 360 controller.
28/02/2011 at 21:13 Eolirin says:
Having 360s around only makes Media Center better, since it’s super easy to set up the 360 as a Media Center Extender. You can stream video from a PC directly to it for display on your TV. It’s really nice, especially considering the crazy price difference per gig between 360 hard drives and PC hard drives. Media Center also has *much* better codec support, so you don’t need to fiddle with converting files into formats the consoles can understand.
28/02/2011 at 21:14 Fumarole says:
While I don’t game on my TV, I did once hook up a video output to my TV so my sick roomie could lay on the couch and watch me plough through Max Payne (with the Kung-Fu mod of course) in a six-hours-long marathon of a session. That was a fun Saturday.
28/02/2011 at 21:17 KayTannee says:
I play on a HD projector, don’t actually own a monitor. Its lovely. Wireless Keyboard and TrackBall. Sorted. (Most track balls rubbish need a finger ball, thumb click one)
The thing I want to see and thing I was hoping that this would be, although can’t see how possible without extra hardware. Would be the ability for a kind of Gaming Remote Desktop for TVs. Sometimes I wouldn’t mind sitting in front of TV and playing some games, i just don’t want to move my PC or require some insanely long cable.
If OnLive can manage game streaming across the internet, I’m sure it should be possible across a 1Gbps LAN with minimal lag.
If anyone knows of anything currently like this, let me know. Would make me happy.
28/02/2011 at 21:26 vodka and cookies says:
Streaming wireless the desktop for games is perfectly possible with low latency hardware like the Asus WiiCast or Netgear 3DHD wireless bridge but these are not cheap solutions and can be as expensive as an Xbox 360.
I cant believe the number of the people who plug their PC’s into the TV’s is that great at all, maybe there is just enough for Valve to make it worthwhile doing a GUI but thats about it.
Also Microsoft is sort of killing off it’s own HTPC platform after it’s failure to register with mainstream audience, windows media center will be in the future sold as a standalone set top box which can act independent or as an extender to a PC. But most in HTPC land knew this was coming, XBMC too is also going back to set top box roots (arm/Sigma ports) so they days of the HTPC are numbered.
If Valve were to sell their own wireless kit specific with games and a controller that would definitely help sell it a bit more than a DIY put it together attitude.
28/02/2011 at 23:35 Ryz says:
Re: XBMC moving back to set top box roots and signaling the death of HTPCs…
Bullshit. Yes, they’re extending support for multiple platforms (most recently iOS/AppleTV2) and they’ve been discussing/planning a Sigma port. Discussing. A. Port. Not “going back to set top box roots,” not abandoning the HTPC market, not cutting support for Linux/OSX/Windows.
I mean really, have you even looked at the roadmap for the next milestone? And the Linux/OSX/Linux specific improvements being planned for 11 and 12 alongside the Android and Sigma ports?
HTPC is a niche market, but it has huge advantages over the Roku boxes and the like due to having no limitations. Can any of those set top boxes install something like Street Fighter 4 or Blaz Blue on a whim to play local co-op with a buddy? Can I decide to add a PVR to the existing box? What about a tuner?
Just because you don’t see the advantages does not mean they don’t exist or that there isn’t a very dedicated community that has. This kind of fatalistic crap is on the same level as console gamers claiming the “PS720DX (with 3D!) ” means PC gaming’s days are numbered.
And MS killing off Media Center means nothing considering the general dislike for how bloated of a platform it was. The main thing the HTPC community used it for was the remotes, and nowadays those are falling to the wayside in the face of more competition and lack of interest by MS. Honestly, if all of the other options for a HTPC Media Center software didn’t exist and it was ONLY Windows Media Center…..a significant amount would just use Media Player Classic Homecinema rather than deal with the bloat.
28/02/2011 at 23:46 Rugged Malone says:
Windows Media Center is a great 15-foot interface. Microsoft really hit a home run with the UI there.
The problem is in the silly limitations in Microsoft’s implementation, most notably the media format compatibility issues and the DRM (which is really, really nasty in a multi-system environment).
01/03/2011 at 00:10 Ryz says:
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with the UI. I prefer something I can customize like XBMC, but there’s nothing wrong with Windows Media Center on that front.
It’s just…well, *everything else.*
28/02/2011 at 21:40 Anarki says:
People are talking about having to have a long cable… This might sound crazy but every now and again (when I know I can have the living room free for at least a few hours) I just unplug my PC, carry it downstairs, and sit it right next to the big tv. Not really much hassle to plug the keyboard and mouse back in and boot it up again, and worth it for a few hours of 42″ gaming!
28/02/2011 at 22:02 nneko says:
I’ve got a little breadbox with a Radeon 6870 (MSI Frozr 2) HDMI’d to my HDTV. Here’s what I know:
1) Wireless mouse (trackball for me) and keyboard and headset work great if the USB nubs aren’t tucked behind a signal-interfering case. So I’ve got some USB tendrils going out around the case. (Note: the stupid design decision to make the Microsoft Arc keyboard’s arrow buttons one rocker button makes some games a total PITA to play, and most specialized devices probably don’t come with a wireless option.)
2) The ergonomics of having a lap-addicted cat with the keyboard and mouse trying to sit on a small thin piece of wood/plastic in my lap are pretty miserable. I need to figure out a setup that gives the cat adequate room while allowing me to rest back into the couch instead of having to lean forward over the keyboard.
3) But the prime flaw in Steam’s plan to take over the living room are game developers that rely on text, but don’t care to improve accessibility to the text. Take, for example, King’s Bounty in which the text cannot be resized, appears to render in an absolute quantity of pixels and is thus darned near unplayable at 1080i from about 2 meters away regardless of panel size (but there’s issues with the display driver anyway). These are the minority of games, but when the lack of a single seemingly minor never-advertised feature can render a game nigh-unplayable, consumers will be right to be wary of the market. (Also: Super Meat Boy rejects control remapping? Gah!)
Perhaps they need a “Alternative Set-Up Friendly” stamp of approval to indicate that the game experience won’t suffer if played in the living room.
01/03/2011 at 10:36 Ci2e says:
Karate chop the cat while in your lap that will deter it from returning to your lap…
I personally have an hdmi cable ran under the carpet from my desk and my tower is huge, so moving my tower is not happening. I prefer wired products so if I ever play any games on my hdtv, it’s usually one developers chose to natively support the xbox360 controller. Without this support your forced to create a desktop setup in your living room which you guessed it, is also not happening.
This is where Valve’s plan presents a problem. If developers don’t include proper support for the controller or re-mapping correctly this will fail. Example… Battlefield 2 I was forced to edit the controls.con to correctly map my xbox360 controller so that I could fly heli/jet. Battlefield 2142 similar experience. Battlefield Bad Company 2 a little less troublesome but still an issue with the left and right trigger buttons, ltrigger makes the chopper turn right and rtrigger makes the chopper turn left. I prefer having a solution within the game itself not using third party apps that remap controls before you start a game like joy2key or whatever it’s called. The end result is staying out of the cockpit, sad.
Basically developers have been slacking still to this day. Has Valve found a solution regardless of developer support? If so it will be interesting to see what comes of this. I honestly can’t see myself utilizing it very often, simply because I am a native PC gamer, using a joystick in most games seems pointless.
28/02/2011 at 22:12 FRIENDLYUNIT says:
DO NOT WANT
Playing things on TVs is for consoles.
01/03/2011 at 00:08 Ryz says:
You’re funny.
28/02/2011 at 22:16 7rigger says:
My PC is permanantly hooked into my HDTV and I wouldn’t have it any other way :)
I still have my monitor and desk for strategy and other PC-centric games, but it’s much better to get the 360 pad and play TDU2 on a big screen. My pc is pretty much my entire media centre – I downgraded my sky tv to the most basic level as I never go near it .
Being able to access the steam overlay with a pad for invites to steamworks games would be absolutely awesome.
28/02/2011 at 22:41 Saul says:
This is already very common in my world. Two of my previous flatmates have had PCs set up on their TVs, one as a media centre and the other as his primary machine. Neither of them spent a lot of time actually watching broadcast television.
Similarly – I don’t own a TV, but my monitor is 28″, and the couch is only a few feet behind where I’m sitting now, so it’s easy to use to watch shows, or sit back and play games with the Xbox controllers. In fact, I have a 360 and a Wii plugged into it as well, so there’s not much functional difference between using any of them (except that the PC games always look better).
This kind of integration is only going to get more and more common – I think it’s smart of Valve to get in at this point.
28/02/2011 at 23:14 Carra says:
I just bought a €70 mediaplayer and connected it to my network. Playing divx on my tv? Check.
As for games? Meh, I’m mostly interested in strategy games.
28/02/2011 at 23:16 BobbleHat says:
I’ve had my PC permanently hooked up to my TV for about 2 years now, and I’d find it hard to switch back to a desk. wireless keyboard on lap and mouse on the spare bumspace next to me on the sofa suits me fine. The mouses magnify function comes in very handy, too. The only disadvantages are having the sensors on the floor in the middle of the room, which get in the way a bit and cut out when I have a few people round, and pulling the sofa up closer to the screen if I want some serious gaming, especially for text-heavy games. Nothing like playing Crysis or STALKER on a 32″ screen, though.
28/02/2011 at 23:21 Pidesco says:
I have my PC connected to my TV and a 5.1 sound system. Additionally, i own two gamepads, wireless keyboard and wireless mouse.
I played through DMC4, Psychonauts and The Last Remnant on my LCD TV. I have also played big chunks of Alpha Protocol, The Witcher, Burnout Paradise and Street Fighter 4 on my HDTV
Finally, I watch TV shows and movies through my PC.
28/02/2011 at 23:40 d32 says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHb5NfKAC0
MagnaPhallis TV!
28/02/2011 at 23:45 Tuan says:
I just don’t understand how anyone can (enjoyably) play PC FPS’s without a mouse. You need the precision. I’ve played enough console FPS’s to realize that they are just not as fast paced and do not require the accuracy, and for me I don’t enjoy them as much. That’s why any real shooter I play on the PC.
Also, how in the world can you play an RTS without a mouse? Again, you need speed and precision.
Anyway, I just scoot my 24″ monitor close to me and lean back in the office chair, I find my vision is encompassed by the monitor more than when I’m on the couch with a 42″ tv not too far away.
I definitely see the appeal of wanting to use the TV and being in a comfy couch, I enjoy that a lot sometimes with console. But I just can’t get by without a mouse for most PC games.
01/03/2011 at 00:25 Pointless Puppies says:
You realize there are more PC games than FPS’s and RTS’s, don’t you?
01/03/2011 at 07:34 wengart says:
RTSs of course almost require a mouse, I actually don’t know of many that are controller compatible, but for shooters I have no problem using a controller as long as it doesn’t put me at a competitive disadvantage. Which means when I play BC2 online it’s mouse and keyboard all the way, but singleplayer I play for casual fun, this means Normal and sometimes easy difficulty and often times a controller.
01/03/2011 at 08:50 Dominic White says:
The PS3 has the Move controller now, which is a shameless clone of the Wii remote setup, but fancier. While not QUITE as pinpoint accurate as a mouse, it’s perfectly good for FPS and RTS use. I wouldn’t mind seeing support for that on the PC for even comfier couch-gaming.
28/02/2011 at 23:49 Rugged Malone says:
Some of us already have game-capable HTPC systems…in fact I have 2 of them in my home, in addition to my primary gaming system and my wife’s PC. One of them is primarily a media server, but also serves as a workout area HTPC; the other one is a dedicated HD HTPC.
A TV-friendly interface for Steam is music to my ears. :)
28/02/2011 at 23:56 tims says:
Oh I like speculating…
Okay so imagine steam wants to be multiplatform, they’ve got it running well on mac and soon the ps3.
Maybe they’ll get a linux version out, port their games and get some key publishers to do the same. It’s been a long pipe dream I know, I know.
However.. If there was a gaming platform like steam on linux, it wouldn’t be just us nerds that like to play with bash that get the benefits. I don’t think steam has any illusions about people hooking up hdmi cables to their tv’s.. Any third party hardward company could make some pretty awesome hardware to play on cheaply, with no windows fees, they would wrap it all up as a polished steam box.
This wouldn’t really be a open console.. Since it’s not like steam is open. I’d argue it’s better than what consoles are like now though. It would definitely resemble what the next iterations of consoles are going to look like. I don’t think anyone expects boxed games to last. Steam is probably in one of the best positions to disrupt the status quo.
01/03/2011 at 00:05 Ryz says:
I have two (well, three if you want to be technical) PCs.
One is the stereotypical gaming PC in the office with a 24 inch monitor and fantastic headphones that I dropped way too much on. There’s also a fairly nice 5.1 speaker system with the satellites placed discretely on the walls. It’s on the loud side as it’s focused on cooling rather than quiet and bulky to support the latest and greatest. It runs on a Ubuntu/Win7 dual boot (work vs play) and works great.
The other is a custom HTPC with a bent towards gaming. It has a much smaller form factor (less tower more set top), emphasizes running silent rather than cooling an overclock, and has modest hardware. It won’t run Metro2033 on high settings like the office PC, but it manages a cross between medium/high settings. Most other games like Mass Effect 2 or Dead Space 2 or whathaveyou can be maxed at 1920×1080 res. It’s connected to 50 inch plasma, a mid-range 5.1 system supplied by Energy, and several different controllers/keyboards/mice/remotes depending on what I’m doing. It runs on a XBMC Live/Win7 dual boot.
Both PCs stream video/music content off my media server (the “third” PC).
I for one welcome an optimized Steam UI for TVs as it is extremely tiny on my plasma and a bit of a chore to use at it’s optimal resolution from my comfy recliner.
Anyone that claims HTPCs are “consolified” or “dying” or “not worth it” haven’t tried one or even looked into them. You guys seriously sound like console gamers claiming that you need to spend $3000/yr to maintain a gaming PC and that PC gaming is dead. Don’t be like them, guys. It’s kinda embarrassing.
01/03/2011 at 00:34 vecima says:
I’m not planning on reading the many posts on this story, but in case it was missed i thought i might bring up wireless. The TV I just bought (55 inch Vizio LED) has built-in wifi. It’s great. I stream netflix right to the TV now as opposed to using the xbox or ps3. My point being, if this big screen steam is going to work like a media server or something it might be possible to get to game on the screen with a pc in the house, but not necessarily even in the same room.
The only thing I think would be needed in that scenario is a steam “app” for the tv, as that’s how the other internet things like netflix and pandora work on most of them.
01/03/2011 at 00:39 Archonsod says:
I ditched the TV a few years ago. Doesn’t seem much point in having one these days, it’s cheaper to simply buy the DVD’s of the three decent shows they manage each year than pay the license fee. And since they started sticking everything up on Iplayer etc, you don’t even need to do that.
01/03/2011 at 01:34 crosslink says:
Like others here, my PC is also permanently connected to my TV. I think Valve has a terrific idea here with this. With my wireless controller in hand the console experience will be complete (minus the high prices, crappy network subscription fees, and last gen graphics). I’m thinking my console will be getting even less attention once this comes to pass.
01/03/2011 at 01:54 Batolemaeus says:
So..
Am I the only person who does not have a TV in the first place?
01/03/2011 at 03:20 luckystriker says:
Heresy grows from idleness.
01/03/2011 at 03:34 mkultra says:
Good thing gamers watch less TV than anyone else of the means and in the first world.
01/03/2011 at 03:36 DOLBYdigital says:
I would suggest getting a table similar to the ones they use in hospitals called ‘overbed’ or something like that. It works great when you want to play PC games in front of a TV while sitting in a lounge chair. It doesn’t work on sofas but most other comfy chairs work great. (surprised at the complaints of running one cable to a TV…)
http://www.nextag.com/Drive-13008-Deluxe-Tilt-87783900/prices-html?nxtg=58360a500504-C15B23251EDC08B3
01/03/2011 at 03:45 Radiant says:
I’m in reverse; I have a fantastic 30 inch monitor on an arm that I can swing towards the couch and use as a tv.
Or use it to watch porn and have a wank on the sofa.
One of those two I can’t remember which.
01/03/2011 at 04:34 thebigJ_A says:
I have a crappy old 4:3 bigscreen. I was saving to buy a proper tv, but then I realized I need a new pc, so I’m saving to buy that instead. I simply can’t afford both. Now Steam want’s to do this to me?
DAMN YOU STEAM, I”M A POOR MAN!
01/03/2011 at 04:44 Muzman says:
It seemed like this was bound to happen sooner or later. I know a couple of people who have all their content served from a big media unit that’s connected to the net and cable tv etc. From it they can access any of the media on it from any laptop or desktop in the house, as well as the TV. As the power of these boxes grows they can play increasing amounts of games too.
Good on Valve for getting in there. It’s the sort of thing that should turn console makers white and make exclusivity all the more ruthless.
01/03/2011 at 05:55 lunegov says:
F YEAH! Just bought 32″ LCD and running HL2 again! They (Valve) have to add full support of x360 gamepad to source based games. And I will be happy-happy.
01/03/2011 at 07:58 Monchberter says:
For xbox360 pads, a bit of rooting around in the in game console with the command “exec 360 controller” will solve most things. Problem is, it doesn’t fix the front end menu’s to work as well as they should. Having everything work correctly from the desktop would be the ideal solution.
01/03/2011 at 06:10 TaroYamada says:
This is great, I use the 360 controller an awful lot, sometimes even for FPS (though most often I use KBM for those). It really bothers me to quit Steam and then have to switch to KBM to select another game to play.
Color me excited about this.
01/03/2011 at 08:39 Kong says:
The distinction between TV and computer screen is a relict of the 20th century.
If the living room was not the natural habitat of the female and the child, the living room would be the perfect place for my PC.
Being a conservative software customer I do not care much about steam as long as it is not forced upon me.
I created my own habitat by getting rid of desk and chair and turning the PC place into a comfy cockpit sort of thing. My design will be avaiIale at IKEA one day.
01/03/2011 at 09:52 bonjovi says:
I’m happy they are looking into this. If they spend some time on it, maybe they will come up with solution for all folks with TV too far away form the PC. Home gaming cloud? PC is used for all hard work, and tv is only connected to something that can receive and display the results?
01/03/2011 at 12:17 adonf says:
Can you get sound through HDMI on the PC ? Does it work well or does it have synchronization problems ?
I just got a new flat-screen TV and I’m planning to connect my PC to it for games and videos but my computer is 4 or 5 years old and all I have is a DVI output, so no sound even if I buy an adapter. I think that more recent video cards have HDMI output but I’m not too sure if that’s just for the picture or if it’s picture + sound. Any suggestions as to what to buy or to avoid in my case ?
01/03/2011 at 12:52 Scatterbrainpaul says:
I couldn’t work out how to get the sound working through the cable
Wasn’t really a problem though i’ve just arranged my pc speakers so two are next to the tv and two are on the desk
01/03/2011 at 12:54 adonf says:
That’s exactly what I don’t want to do…
02/03/2011 at 03:01 falseprion says:
My friend purchased a new inexpensive ATi card and it works fine with audio+video over HDMI. The feature was listed as a bullet point on the box.
I’m running an older 8800GTS so I have just video over HDMI along with a Balun adapter off a Y-cable from my sound card to run to my living room stereo. It sounds perfect, and I didn’t have to get a new video card.
01/03/2011 at 12:19 yhalothar says:
Jesus, Valve read my mind. Steam is one of the last things I use a remote mouse with when playing on my HTPC.
01/03/2011 at 12:50 Scatterbrainpaul says:
I play the majority of my games on my 32 inch hd tv. Sat on the sofa using a wireless mouse and keyboard, or a controller.
Playing Stalker COP on TV was the highlight of my gaming year
The only issue’s i’ve had is games that don’t let you increase the font size. You can’t sit back and enjoy eve online from the comfort of your sofa without pair of binoculars
01/03/2011 at 17:42 Frank says:
yes, i wish gamepads were in a coma, too
02/03/2011 at 03:10 falseprion says:
I am glad they are considering my demographic. I play most of my PC games on the TV, even though the PC is in another room. 50ft. HDMI cable with a clone display is my solution. My stereo and seating are much better in the living room, and I’ve got an excellent bluetooth keyboard and gaming mouse – so no problems there. The PC is already the best console out there – this is just icing on the cake.
03/03/2011 at 11:16 RegisteredUser says:
“The PC is already the best console out there”
QFT
03/03/2011 at 11:14 RegisteredUser says:
I heard that all your purchased game titles will be pruned and you will be only allowed 2 titles at any time ever, as allowing you more guns errrr games is not compatible with a gamepad interface.
I’m fine with an optional interface _addon_ to a PC optimized world of gaming. My main concern obviously is that any other aspects may suffer(future Half-Life-s to have autoheal, savepoints and you are only allowed to carry 2 weapons. Oh and of course autoaim and over 9000 achievements).
24/01/2012 at 02:02 ps3freak says:
Great article. I agree with what you stated about the new likelihood of the stream. I hope it works flawlessly, because I love playing my PS3 Move Games on the big screen HDTV.
24/01/2012 at 02:07 roku2user says:
Thanks for the information about the connectivity of advanced TV services. Where ever this road leads, I hope that it will work flawlessly with my Roku 2 Media Streaming Player.
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