Rock, Paper, Shotgun

25/06/2009 at 21:42 undead dolphin hacker says:

Australia lost its last shred of cultural significance with the passing of Steve Irwin.

Also, what does anyone expect from a former exile/prison country? I mean, aside from the obvious treating its citizens like exiles/prisoners via draconian censorship, of course.

25/06/2009 at 22:00 Tei says:

On my university we where disallowed to use internet. But with the help of hackers, we breaked the system and get outside anyway. Theres nothing more “pro-hacker” than settings a wall.
And of course, this don’t stop piracy. So warez can be distributed, but not legal software.
Maybe once the people has grown with games become old enough and maiority these politicians can change?. Is obvious that are using videogames as a scapegoat. Probably are corrupt politicians, or trollish politicians that want “cheap votes” creating hate against games, because are a easy prey.
Horrible bad politicians, hope you guys (aus guys) can remove these from power as fast as posible.

25/06/2009 at 22:05 Rob says:

The bureaucrats clearly know what is best for their country.

/s

25/06/2009 at 22:13 Dave says:

Stay classy, Australia.

Oh wait.

25/06/2009 at 22:14 pissrightoff says:

if you ask me, the world is going to be a controlled enviroment more and more, until we have camera’s in our bedrooms……….

25/06/2009 at 22:15 Joseph says:

Fuck this.

Yes, sucks to be us.

25/06/2009 at 22:17 sebmojo says:

Rallick: Halo had some Australian space marines. And as to the ‘axe wound’ – that sounds authentically Ocker. I was staying in a hostel in Stockwell a few years back and some ozzie was leaning out the window and yelled ‘suck my sweaty danglers!’ at passers by. They’re a strange and crude people to their southern neighbours.

25/06/2009 at 22:18 Gap Gen says:

So Yahtzee turns into a ball of rage and engulfs the south pacific?

25/06/2009 at 22:20 Clockwork Harlequin says:

@Tei: They don’t have to be corrupt. In modern democracies we have system that punishes ‘honourable’ politicians (if your party doesn’t hit the news at least once a week, people forget you, your ratings drop, etc). And also a situation where if you don’t use games as a scapegoat, the opposition probably will. And blame you.

I don’t blame politicians, I blame voters. Attention span of a gnat.

25/06/2009 at 22:33 Pidesco says:

This is just moronic.

And that’s proper editorialising, by the way.

25/06/2009 at 23:11 Ashurbanipal says:

Axe wound: I’m Australian and I’ve never heard of it. Might be a regional thing.

As far as this story goes, it’s depressing and I feel incredibly helpless. In any case, I strongly doubt the internet filter thing is going to go through, since it’s been marked by controversy from the start. Not only outrage from the web plebs, but I understand also from ISPs and businesses themselves, since the more “accurate” filter would impact on our already woeful speeds.

And it’s not so draconian as you lot seem to think. The only games I can think of that Australia has banned outright are Manhunt and Dark Sector. I’m actually a bit surprised to find myself cheerfully playing the ultra-violent Prototype.

I’m definitely not happy about the classification debacle or the web filter thing. It makes me a little uncomfortable to see how that sort of thing is perceived abroad as well.

25/06/2009 at 23:33 Blast Hardcheese says:

Ashurbanipal: “As far as this story goes, it’s depressing and I feel incredibly helpless. In any case, I strongly doubt the internet filter thing is going to go through, since it’s been marked by controversy from the start.”

Sir you do realize that it’s basically already underway?

25/06/2009 at 23:36 Jason says:

I just moved to oz from dear old blighty, say what you like about casual rascism and it being 5 years in the past but its a lovely place. and there isn’t technically a recession here. now the more they talk about the ISP filter the more ridiculous it sounds and the less workable it sounds. In recent new china is having to insist that new pcs are sold with built in hardware to enforce its filter. I don’t think rudd has got the balls on this one.

also when Senator Nick “crazy” Xenophon is against it, its not gonna pass easily

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/27/2503830.htm

25/06/2009 at 23:42 Bhazor says:

Reply to Railick
Blitz? That was a sports game right?

Also I feel the need to point out, how many of those games would actually be missed? Also the bans seem to relate to drug use such as in Fallout or GTA rather than violence. That stuff can be neatly side stepped by renaming drugs or referring to them as magic or a secret serum.

25/06/2009 at 23:45 Wooly says:

Australia’s government is trolling the world.

25/06/2009 at 23:52 MrBejeebus says:

RIDE THE KANGAROOS TO REVOLOUTION

FLING THE KOALA’S OF FREEDOM AT THEM

sorry this is the last web page im looking at before i go to bed, i wanted to make my contribution noticeable

BYE

26/06/2009 at 00:00 PJ says:

I was in Australia for a couple of months last year, and was really shocked by how incredibly right-wing their goverment and media appeared, especially since this is in total contrast with every Australian I’ve ever met ever.

Still, censorship of this kind seems like it would actually be fairly hard to pull off in practice so hopefully this will fizzle out.

26/06/2009 at 00:11 drewski says:

Australia’s current government is actually “left wing”…

All Australian politicians are nanny state interventionists though. The only real difference is that one cuts taxes and the other goes into deficit.

As for Australia currently having internet censorship – nope. You could download home software filtering for free from the government if you so desired (which nobody did) but the current government, in their desire to micromanage every aspect of life, binned that for compulsory filtering at an ISP level.

Fortunately they have to get it through our upper house of Parliament and it looks like there’s enough opposition that it’s going to get killed. The government is basically trying any angle they can to get the votes in the Senate, hence offering to ban anything and everything regardless of whether or not anybody actually wants it banned.

26/06/2009 at 00:24 Tworak says:

something something prison colony.

that said, this is some pretty dangerous stuff.

26/06/2009 at 00:27 jalf says:

@Real Horrorshow:
What makes you think it could never happen in the US?
http://news.filefront.com/top-ten-banned-video-games/ shows at least one game that was banned in the US. Why not more?

As far as I know, several states have at least temporarily banned violent games (even if they’d had to lift the ban again soon after). So far, it has been mostly talk, exactly like in Germany and Australia. Neither country have banned violent games yet. Politicians have talked about doing it. Just like more than a few US politicians have.

I don’t see the big difference.

If anything, I’d rate the US as being close behind these two countries in the drive to censor and ban sex or violence.

There is nothing else I can think of that could make a game like that un-rateable

I’m not sure of the reasoning, but I can think of two reasons why that wouldn’t work.
First, what guarantee is there that the parental filter won’t be removed in a patch next week? Add it while the game is being rated, and then go all-out porn and gore afterwards.
And second, a chat filter wouldn’t prevent you from posting links to bad sites, and it can always be circumvented if you want to.

26/06/2009 at 00:30 Tims says:

Oh wtf? I may never move home then.

Btw, Australia is only trialing the internet filtering. And some major isp have withdrawn from the trials saying it’s technically ridiculous, even impossible to do, and just a stupid idea anyway. So many people are upset about it, it may never happen (hopefully).

26/06/2009 at 00:32 Tims says:

Anyway… banned content is what torrent sites are for.

26/06/2009 at 00:41 Darthey says:

I look forward to Yahtzee’s return to the midlands. Its been too long, and he’s never answered my fanmail.

In other news; stupid governments are stupid. Is Germany next?

26/06/2009 at 01:02 sinister agent says:

I heard “bearded axe wound” back in school, c.1999, London. So nerr.

This won’t go anywhere that’ll last, surely.

26/06/2009 at 01:16 Wulf says:

@Jeremy: Thank you.

If you hadn’t said it, I would have. In fact, I think I’ll stress the point anyway.

@Those having a go at Australia: This reminds me of people I’ve encountered in online gaming communities (more on this later); because anyone can throw a lifestyle slur, or present an uneducated racist sentiment, but if I hear someone slandering an entire nation, the person is almost always English.

Not even so much Scottish, Irish, or Welsh in particular. English. And it’s really getting me down and my nerves fray because of it. Oh yes, so civilised as to mock every other freaking civilisation out there, poorly veiled racism en masse.

There are two things to consider, here: The first being that the British empire is so flaccid at the moment that it’s making our country metaphorically look like a small, bald, fat man with a tiny dick who presents his bitterness about this for the World to see as hatred and hostility toward anyone who might be a little bit better off and/or simply different.

Dignity. Now. Please?

The other thing is that Britain isn’t as superior as Brit supremacists out there (and in here) would believe it to be. Has anyone checked out our HDI rating lately? Frankly, we’re racing backwards! The HDI of a country implies how developed a nation is, how well its people are cared for, the state of education and progression, and so on.

Also: I feel a frustrated “fffffffffffff” coming on. To assuage it and ease my indignant feelings about all this, I’ll paraphrase Kieron and say: Frigging English.

I apologise for that, but this kind of thing gets me down. It’s a sore spot, because a game group I’m a part of (one comprised of various ethnicities) recently had to ostracise an English member for this very reason; really bad choice in ethnicity-based insults and slurs, lifestyle attacks, calling nations backwards and full of primitives and whatnot.

And yes, I’d say this to anyone I’d see doing this kind of thing. Such supremacists spout corrosive ideas, they’re eroding away the collective intelligence and progression of Britain, and they’re going to make us truly isolated if we alienate the World any more. So knock it off already!

26/06/2009 at 01:53 Krondonian says:

@Dorian: A great Wikipedia page that one. The key bit I think was that left-right politics are based ”along a one-dimensional political spectrum.” Arguing that a huge party is simply left or right seems frankly ridiculous when made up of so many members. I’d tend to agree with Real Horrorshows lowest common denominator of political opinion.

@Wulf: Could the fact that you tend to hear English slating entire nations have anything to do with you tending to play English people? I of course don’t know who you game with, but I for one play at least 50% Brits. Gotta love a sub 20 latency.

I don’t think Britain is any worse than most countries to be honest. The European elections gave rise to some nasty parties getting a large share of the vote in some countries (the Netherlands, for example), and just last week the Iranian supreme leader basically called the UK ‘evil’. I think you sell the country a little short.

26/06/2009 at 01:53 Serondal says:

@Bah I’m not the only one posting about politics mate, this entire thread is about politics as is the post itself so , as to use an Aussie catch phrase “Go and get fucked mate”

26/06/2009 at 01:57 tapanister says:

Oh, and I didn’t forget about Sarcozy trying to pass that idiotic antipiracy bill, I just didn’t mentioned it because it, thankfully, got canned already.

26/06/2009 at 02:16 tycho says:

Oh, for all those non-aussies scoffing about how this would never happen where you live, just wait. A lot of countries are apparently watching this keenly to see if they can do the same in future… think of this as a test-case.

26/06/2009 at 02:31 James says:

There was a reason you Brits kicked them out, yes?

26/06/2009 at 02:43 autogunner says:

aussies what you want to do is cripple petty government with a benefit scandal, all the big important stuff carries on as usual and everyone ahtes the ministers so much they cant even begin to start vote nabbing with dumb policies

26/06/2009 at 03:01 BBQ says:

Re: changeling101 – You got it right mate. But the smart ones in the Aussie crowd will find their way around to get what they want. Well until our rubbish politicians implement Big Brother 2 anyway.

What’s up with all those penal references though? Such prejudice against us Aussies… tsk tsk. Remember, we aren’t too impressed with our government either.

26/06/2009 at 03:12 The Fanciest of Pants says:

As enraging as this is, it’s not likely to ever actually happen.

Precious tax monies are at stake here. Any government-level internet censorship lost all credibility when the prospective list of websites that would be blocked was leaked.

The list included a tour guide operator’s website and other things that had absolutely no objectionable content. The communications minister has been distancing himself from the plan ever since.

TL;DR this ubercensorship is likely to die a quiet, pitiful death once it fades from public view.

If it doesn’t, I’m becoming a full time pirate.

26/06/2009 at 03:17 Muzman says:

You folks aren’t getting it. This is actually a good thing as far as proposed implimentation of the ratings and filter system goes.
Conroy and others have always sought to apply ratings to every single thing and block anything which is not rated or prohibited (incidentally this is across political lines. Howard Inc. tried two or three times to look at the same thing. Labor are decidedly left wing, however).
People just keep pointing out all these fancy new ways that people can see rude and violent things and they just keep writing them in. The last thing was proposing to monitor all P2P traffic and rate that. Now someone has pointed out that there’s web games and digital downloads etc, so they add that.
The whole thing was already destined to fall on its face for sheer unworkability. The trials of the various systems keep collapsing because the law makers don’t understand how the internet works and the ISPs pull out.
So you see all you’ve got to do is point out some fancy new thing on the net, Conroy adds it to the bill and the whole thing becomes even more inclinded to topple over than it already is.
I plan on making some suggestions myself. I’m not sure they’ve had a look at the rise of international podcasting yet. Every second of it must be rated! Right now.

(btw. Axe Wound is just an amusingly gruesome euphemistic way of saying ‘cunt’. Most of the time the real word does the job fine.)

26/06/2009 at 03:26 lumpi says:

Germany? Your turn at being a dick. Can you surpass Australia?

26/06/2009 at 03:31 Serondal says:

Squadman I assure you if you moved to the US and lived in Washington or MN you’d find it more than cold enough for your liking ;)

26/06/2009 at 04:00 mickiscoole says:

@Nicomallo The thing is that the government is fairly sure that they can get this done without legislation.

26/06/2009 at 04:32 NegativeZero says:

Australians suggesting that it’s not worth worrying about because it’ll never happen are burying their heads in the sand. The only reason it won’t happen is because the balance of power in the upper house is held by independents. The government lacks the seats to ram through whatever they want unless they get the greens or all the independents on side. This issue is split such that a single independent changing their tune would flip it back to the government’s favour.

Additionally, the opposition seem to be opposing the plan for the sake of opposing it, not because of any deep & meaningful convictions. The more important issue is that they’ve been blocking a lot of other stuff. There’s all that talk of a double-dissolution going around, which would mean kicking the entire senate and starting over. If that happened, the chances are extremely high that we would end up with a government majority in both lower and upper houses of parliament, which basically gives Krudd a free license to do whatever the hell he wants.

Not to mention there should be another election next year which will mean a changing of the guard then too.

Be very worried, because this retardation is going to happen eventually, unless Australians are constantly vocal about how much they dislike the idea. Though at this point it seems that Conroy is basically ignoring everyone because he ‘knows’ that it’s in our ‘best interests’. :\

26/06/2009 at 05:24 AlpineViper says:

I’d actually expect a double dissolution to go against the current government, due to some of the shine coming off of Rudd now that people have seen what he’s actually about.

Not that I’d expect the opposition to actually win the damn thing.

I’m not TOO worries about the filter, but there is some cause for concern as has been said, it’s riding on the greens and independents, and that mob is capable of all kinds of crazy thinking.

26/06/2009 at 05:49 AlpineViper says:

4) One day he’ll die or retire.

26/06/2009 at 06:50 c-Row says:

lumpi
Germany? Your turn at being a dick. Can you surpass Australia?

Actually, our government is currently looking into the exact same options with their newly established web filters…

26/06/2009 at 07:03 denright says:

Oh, also. Dylan, I think you are being confused by the media spin there. Fallout’s stimpacks were ALWAYS called stimpacks. If you read somewhere that Fallout was banned because they were called Morphine you are being misinformed. Fallout was banned till the Australian government got its head out of its ass and that story you heard was just a cover up.

26/06/2009 at 07:14 Mr.President says:

Haha, I’m loving the “sweaty danglers”.
The expression, I mean.

26/06/2009 at 07:50 tycho says:

Not only is WoW NOT rated, it can’t be – as they say when you connect – “content may change during online play” – the game itself can be as family friendly as you like, but people can still join and start sexually harassing people and simulating sex (i’m looking at you WoW guild of naked men).

26/06/2009 at 08:29 Lukasz says:

so i came to rps to find out about awesome stuff and i am told that:

1)country where i live in is trying to copy their close friends: the china
2)MJ is dead!

shitty day today.

26/06/2009 at 09:12 Nicomallo says:

In australia we have the Liberal party, who are conservative. We use the term small l liberal to refer to actual liberals

26/06/2009 at 09:25 Muzman says:

The Australian Liberal Party has ideals that come straight from Locke and Smith (and others I forget), ie the classical definition of liberalism. Since most of the individualist changes demanded by those times have come to pass, their legal and social conservatism sticks out.
Since the US’s entire political landscape pretty much comes from the same place, and it’s systematically stamped out the traditional left over the last hundred years or so, the divide is over other things. The fact that the US’s major parties used to be the same party (kinda,sorta,a little) is nicely symbolic I think.

26/06/2009 at 09:38 Captain Haplo says:

Yeah. As it stands, the Liberal Party and the National Party are the conservative ones, united in a government coalition. (The NP usually represents the country, the LP the cities). The Labor Party (the current government) was born out of a massive strike action, and is also one of the oldest parties in the country. For a lot of its years its policies were effectively social-liberal to socialist, but its factionalism has resulted in a rather dramatic shift away from that.

26/06/2009 at 11:38 Brett says:

Goddamn I was going to write something saying that even if this untenable scheme were somehow piggybacked to the NBN and got up on those grounds, as outrageous as it would be, it would not be close to the atrocities of our previous government. It would be a huge inconvenience to Australians, so maybe more people would be upset about it.

26/06/2009 at 12:20 drewski says:

To the people disputing my categorisation of the ALP as left wing, you’re right in the hard sense of the political spectrum – but politics in the West is so dramatically skewed to the right that in fact centre right parties like Australian Labor become the de facto left wing of the two party spectrum in that nation.

The old concept of the left as being socialist is gone in the West – the definitions of what’s left and right have changed.

26/06/2009 at 12:35 Ashurbanipal says:

Greens? Capable of crazy thinking? Independents, maybe, especially Fielding and Xenophon. Although it’s easy to dismiss them as tree-hugging nuts, Greens are the most level-headed of all the parties. They’ve shown themselves as superb at going through bills with fine-tooth combs and sifting through the bullshit.

The Greens have shown themselves if not opposed, then visibly unwelcoming towards the plan for a while now.

26/06/2009 at 13:39 Muzman says:

That’s the thing. It’s not that it was bannable offence. Merely that something about drugs and children in the game (can’t be arsed looking up the ruling) meant the game could not fit into the existing ratings for video games.
Almost no games are outright banned. They just have content outside an M15+ rating, and thus are unable to be sold.
If it was a movie or a book it would have been fine as a) the rules are more lax, and b) there are ratings that cover everything anyway.

26/06/2009 at 14:46 Kanakotka says:

Let’s bring the P-word in.

Isn’t this an obvious increase to piracy rates in Australia? I mean, if i didn’t have an access to a game in my country, for some reason, and had the resources to play it, but not buy it… i would certainly resort to piracy. Even if there was a method of buying, but it probably would cost an arm and a leg, or both.

26/06/2009 at 15:47 A-Scale says:

Are all British commonwealths (and Britain itself) destined to become Orwellian dystopias?

I don’t have the time right now to read all of the responses. Did anyone actually support this bone headed idea?

26/06/2009 at 16:17 Wulf says:

@Dylan: I feel for you, but I didn’t find it surprising. Perhaps some things just shouldn’t be covered, especially when it knocks my faith in my mental image of Kieron being well-educated and intellectual. And I like that image, damn it!

@Cheetar “the laptops they are providing to schoolchildren instead of textbooks will be blocking near everything”: Isn’t that actually a very responsible move? If you’d said that the network of legal adults was being screwed around with, you’d have something, but the Internet often exists within a World that’s as strongly based upon fantasy as video-games are, and misinformation is abundant here.

So given that they don’t want those kids to be exposed to large amounts of misinformation and pre-programmed hate, they lock out the sections which would be unhealthy for them until they’re old enough to comprehend the difference between a biased, idiotic opinion and a truth of high-probability based on peer-reviewed research.

@Tei: There’s a difference between “displaying correct drug information in a medical journal” and “actively, effectively and merrily promoting the usage of fantasy drugs with real names, and actualising the usage of such drugs within the game as largely positive whilst downplaying the negative side effects”, eh?

26/06/2009 at 16:38 Talorc says:

I am so pissed off with our politicians in Australia who are so fucking out of touch with both contempary social values in Australia and technology

Every poll shows the politicians as more conservative what the public actually thinks on stuff like gay marriage or abortion.

And most of them are technological fucktards. We had a big political scandal the other day – and the thing nobody commented upon – our Treasurer (Finance Minister) gets SHIT SENT TO HIS FRICKING FAX MACHINE. Like 400+ pages of it. BY PEOPLE EMAILING AND ADDRESS IN OUTLOOK FOR HIS FAX MACHINE

26/06/2009 at 16:53 Wulf says:

Oh, I missed this one…

@Krondonian: I didn’t properly stress this before: I’m actually part of a gaming group which is comprised of people from various nations around the World. Sometimes, having fun with a large group of people from various cultures is more important than a low ping. GASP! Scandalous, I know.

So to answer your question, no. I tend to play on servers around the World, even where I have a high ping, it’s nice to find out how people from different cultures play, and thus pick up a few new tricks in the process. Notwithstanding that there are massively multiplayer online games which don’t even require a low ping. The thing is, I’m not the sort of isolationist gamer who lets ping rule their life, and my days on low-end dialup taught me a thing or two about how to compensate for that anyway, so even on a high-ping server I find that I can do pretty well.

At least online gaming doesn’t desynchronise any more. fffffDuke Nukem 3D. No, I kid, I still love you Duke, but those instances of desynchronising were annoying, especially since I liked gaming with this chap from Canada way back when.

Anyway, back to the original topic; despite playing around, the worst example of nation-slamming is still from England. In fact, I was even witness to a thread recently on a forum about the worst people in games, and there was consideration given to loud kids, elitist gamers, armchair commandos, and yes… the British. There were people who were just tired of British people slagging off their nation of origin whenever they lost.

And this is the exact thing that one English acquaintance of mine got ostracised from that gaming group for.

We can stick our heads in the sand and ignore it and blame-dodge as much as we like, but this is a problem and something needs to be done about it, and I can’t do much but damn it I can at least try to shame people into better behaviour. At least try to keep up good appearances for the rest of us, eh?

It’s tiresome having to explain to everyone else that not all British people are like that. I frequently have to show that not every British person out there is a fascist who despises every nation which isn’t their own, or at least that I’m not like that.

/sigh

26/06/2009 at 19:24 bubky says:

@wulf
I agree if theres one thing i hate its racist nation bashing dickheads like those f***ing english. When are they gonna realise you cant prejudge people based on their nationality.

And ye its so tiresome being British when tolerant people from other countries quite rightly assume that im a racist prick because of where I come from and those goddamn english.

P.s. Im not 100% sure if you were being serious but just to clarify im not. So no offense if our sarcasm levels dont match :<

More on topic stuff like this often tends to get blown out of proportion becuase people enjoy whining about it. Hopefully for the sake of australians that ends up being the case here (or someone with half a brain steps in and says "wait this is retarded lets not doing this")

27/06/2009 at 02:17 aufi says:

remember folks:

this is why it’s important to split your voting ticket!

even if you are a died-in-the-wool Labor voter (like me), it’s always important to vote minor or vote across the aisle on the Senate ballot; the major parties are big tents, and they’ll allow any old yahoo in who’ll hold the line in a division. no matter how much of an ardent partisan you are, it is NEVER, EVER a good idea to surrender parliament to one party.

thank fuck for the Greens (and those dodgy indies).

27/06/2009 at 14:15 Gorgeras says:

Left and Right are meaningless in any country without a Monarch or Autocrat Head of State. The terms refer to those who sit on the ruler’s right or left in a parliament. It used to be that the Aristocracy sat on the Monarch’s Right and the Middle-classes on the Left. That system is not entrenched any more, but can loosely be translated to mean that anyone to the Left of the Monarch is Left-wing and anyone to the Right of the Monarch is Right-wing. A spanner is sort of thrown in the works in modern Britain because we don’t actually have a friggin clue what the political alignment of the Queen is, except that she’s obviously a Monarchist. The only clues you can get are from how those around her behave, but that’s even more confusing: Prince Philip is likely a Rightist wingnut, but Prince Charles seems to be a Leftist moonbat.

The US gives the impression that it is very Right-wing; but this is their media doing them a disservice. I’ve visited about 5 states in the mid-west and bible belt and only Indiana and Oklahoma seemed quite overtly Right-wing in my opinion. Kentucky, Florida and Illinois are if anything quite hostile to Fox News; you can always tell the political leanings of the area you are in by watching the local Fox news programmes. When they are louder than the main Fox News channel, you’re in wingnut country.

I have recently changed my position on the subject of game bans: let them. Let the politicians ban what they want. I want them to see the resulting mess.

28/06/2009 at 06:32 video games says:

I doubt they’ll get away with Internet censorship. It’s not like they’re Korea. Their people should be too used to freedom to allow this to happen.

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