Rock, Paper, Shotgun

16/10/2008 at 10:46 Digit says:

That was awesome. I was pretty much discounting multiplayer in this title as I believe it’s primary focus is on singleplayer, and whilst I do love a good multiplayer game to back that up, I wasn’t overly distraught given the quality I’ve seen so far. But that looks like it could open up for some fun. ^_^

16/10/2008 at 11:04 RiptoR says:

OMG, WANT!!!!!111!11!1

OK, I’m calm again, sorry…

16/10/2008 at 11:20 cHeal says:

Far Cry 2 will ship with SecuRom, online activation and limited installs. For this reason I won’t be buying it. C*nts.

16/10/2008 at 11:34 teo says:

Damn, that got me excited

16/10/2008 at 11:59 phuzz says:

@Rei Onryou, if you like maps with massive statues in, check out de_wanda.
It’s a CS:S map but don’t let that put you off, because at the top of a very nicely mapped level, there’s an enormous statue of a Colossus (from Shadow of the Colossus) fighting some kind of tripod beast.

Have to say, I’m getting pretty excited by FC2 now.

(oh, and maybe the music from the trailer will be released on that Adult Swim compilation that John posted about the other day)

16/10/2008 at 12:04 Radiant says:

That looked liked GREAT fun.
I love it when devs obviously seem to be having fun with their games; see this and the dead space dev videos.

16/10/2008 at 13:00 Paul Moloney says:

Seems that Far Cry 2 on XBox360 has also been leaked:

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/game-types/first-person-shooters/far-cry-2-available-pirate-on-360-$1245058.htm

P.

16/10/2008 at 13:39 Colthor says:

I hate those pirates, they’re killing console gaming.

16/10/2008 at 14:02 spd from Russia says:

no SP sdk = no fun

16/10/2008 at 14:16 Digit says:

I am pretty ok with the DRM, to be honest I don’t really mind so long as I can play the game. If the DRM is not invasive – ie it works it’s magic and I get to play without having to DO something to make me get to play, that’s fine. It’s not ideal, but it’s by far one of the lesser evils of the software industry.

With that said, and for all those wanting to get Far Cry 2 on Steam but it being locked, if you have friends in the US, they can ‘gift’ it to you, and it works perfectly. I’ve used this method before, as THQ also dislike letting the rest of the world play their games on Steam, and all I really want is to not have to cd-juggle each time I want to play a game. :)

16/10/2008 at 14:21 kreali says:

It would make a lot more sense for someone to establish a database of DRM+System requirements we could check as and when needed. Gamerankings or IGN would be ideal people to do that as they already have just about every game on file. RPS, not so much.

16/10/2008 at 14:38 Dante says:

I’m going to be frank here, and probably make a lot of people very angry.

I’ve never run into a problem with all this limited installs lark. I mean, I can see the point of the disagreement and all, but I’m a bit confused as to why this system has raised more ire than say that of Medieval: Total War, which required me to download a crack to get it to acknowledge a valid PC and to this day still doesn’t let me play online because it thinks I’ve stolen it.

16/10/2008 at 14:46 Kieron Gillen says:

I think Alec’s just a bit depressed at basically doing a post every time Ubisoft, EA or 2K release a major game saying the same thing. I admit, it doesn’t excite me that much either.

I’d rather spend my effort on writing a post about some new indie game or rather than noting that a game has the DRM. And – really – it is a choice of one or the other.

KG

16/10/2008 at 15:16 Colthor says:

@cHeal (more or less):
As much as I agree with you about the DRM nonsense, and would prefer to see it mentioned as a footnote or something, I don’t think getting annoyed about a small four-man blog not mentioning it to avoid the fighting it causes in the comments is really worthwhile.

I’d be much more annoyed about larger sites, like CVG or Eurogamer, not mentioning it at all.

16/10/2008 at 15:43 Smurfy says:

I’m not sure I like these kinds of map editors. It makes it seems like anyone can make a video game with a bit of spare time, and worse yet it lets everyone map. Every “lol cock shaped map” person.

16/10/2008 at 15:48 Butler` says:

Hi,

This editor looks good and makes me feel warm inside. I want to buy it.

Yours sincerely,

drmfan1337

16/10/2008 at 16:14 Noc says:

Damnit, RPS! You’re Selling Out! Screw videos of interesting things, we need to get the word out about these Dee Arr Emms, because otherwise people won’t know what to whine about!

You’re also sacrificing your Independent Journalist cred by thinking that something one of the Big Developers did is cool. You can’t do that! Ubisoft and EA and Actard are all The Man, and if you want to be anything but transparent, corporate tools, you need to give The Man hell at every opportunity.

It’s either us or them, RPS. You can post your “Interesting Videos” about things that you’re “interested in” all you want, but you’re going to need to pick a side. Either you’re tools of the corporate Steam-hating DRM-mongering machine . . . or you’re properly Indie, and use every means at your disposal to muster outrage at the Man. Failure to do so only makes them stronger . . . and the Revolution can not stand by and let this happen.

The time when you can safely chose the middle ground, and post about things that “interest you,” is coming to a close.

You have to chose a side, RPS. It’s us, or it’s them.

And the Angry Internet Men will not wait forever for an answer.

16/10/2008 at 16:48 Noc says:

@Meat Circus: That’s exactly the point I was trying to make, actually. The idea that independent journalism (which means, by extension any journalism that’s not “under the thumb of The Man”) has this duty to educate the public and spread the word about The Man’s faults.

That by failing to do so, RPS is not “doing it’s part.” I understand the argument that by not mention it they’re setting people up for disappointment; but the indictment of RPS for failing to mention DRM isn’t a matter of “Think of all the people you’re be disappointing!”

It’s “You’re giving the DRM-Loving jerks good press that they don’t deserve.” Which translates, as we can see in cHeal’s early comments, to “You’re taking their side against us, by giving them good press when they clearly deserve to be roasted over the DRM.”

Which implies, as you do, that the independent press has a “duty” to function as activists. Which they don’t; the entire point of an independent site that’s free from agenda-driven journalism is that the writers are free to, you know, talk about things that interest them. Without having the “duty” to make sure that they’re “doing their part to spread the word about [issue].” If the issue is something that interests the writers, they can write about it . . . if not, they don’t have to. There’s no “duty” there.

16/10/2008 at 16:56 Noc says:

@Candid_Man: Oh, man. This company is being a jerk for trying to spread the word about the good features of its product, instead of spending all of its time talking about the questionable ones.

Companies are jerks like this. Imagine! Trying to stir up positive hype despite knowing that you’re including something people might not like. What kind of person would even consider this!

. . .

To be clear: I’m not for DRM. But the argument against it is much easier to make when the people arguing alongside you aren’t talking silliness.

16/10/2008 at 17:11 gulag says:

Big Publishers use DRM

That’s hardly something worth burning digital ink over when talking about any game released by a big publisher.

RPS has covered this matter in articles dealing with DRM as a whole, rather than it’s implimentation in any particular game. That is a balanced and fair approach, and one more likely to produce genuine discourse about the problem, (And I do think it’s a problem) rather than simply waving the DRM flag and prompting a lot of booing and hissing with little worth.

That first line at the top of my post? That’s what’s known as a ‘given’. Take it as such when you see EA, Atari, etc. featured in any games journal, ‘indie’ or otherwise.

16/10/2008 at 17:21 Dracko says:

kyrieee: You say that word like it’s a dirty thing in your mouth.

16/10/2008 at 17:53 fanciestofpants says:

Sidestepping any exchange about DRM(we know it sucks, what’s to talk about – it’s like ranting on and on trying to convince people that the nazi’s may have been doing some slightly mean things. We get it).

I still am firmly meh about the who FC2 thing. I’m not seeing anything excitingly new, I think i’ll stick with the other FPS’ that I already own.

16/10/2008 at 18:05 Noc says:

I’m still waiting for RPS to report on the DRM with this game instead of just working people into a frenzy with these pointless videos. They like pcgamer, are becoming more part of the problem than part of the solution. Journalistic respect – 1

I asked them, quite respectfully to do an article on the DRM for FC2 as a public service.

Right! That’s the sort of thing I say when I reasonably and respectfully ask people to do things.

Secondly: they have absolutely no duty, obligation, or reason to do something because a man on the internet asked for it. Whether it was done “respectfully” or not. (Which, for the record, it wasn’t.) These folks are writers by trade, which means they write to pay their bills. They do RPS because it gives them an opportunity to write about things that they’re interested in that they’re not getting payed for.

If you want someone to write an article on something that YOU feel deserves to be written about, there’s nothing stopping you from commissioning an article for your publication. Until then, you can stop acting like you have a right to demand what these people do in their spare time.

To clarify: you have no right to be “annoyed.”

Thirdly: You’re perpetuating the idea that independent journalist have a duty to regulate how much “hype” a given publisher “deserves.” Specifically, that FarCry 2 does not “deserve” this much coverage, because it comes with DRM. As opposed to FarCry 2 continuing to produce interesting videos, which would make it, you know, a continuing object of interest.

Fourthly: Unless I am gravely mistaken, the “Games from major publishers MAY CONTAIN DRM” button was, umm . . . it was a joke. Because . . . YES. Games from major publishers MAY contain DRM. We all know this by now. Putting it as a disclaimer is silly. That is why it is a joke!

Though to be fair, both it, and the fact that it flew completely over your head, had me chuckling for a bit.

Fifthly: I think it can be pretty much assumed that anyone who makes a point of boycotting a game because of DRM will make a point of finding out if the game has DRM or not before they buy it. It’s like . . . if you’re a vegetarian, you ask if a meal will have meat in it before you order it. There is no need for a public service announcement along the lines of “Everyone! Listen up! The Salad has CHICKEN in it! Be warned!” . . . because anyone who seriously makes a point of not eating meat will also make a point of making sure that they don’t order meals with meat in it.

. . .

In conclusion: You do not have a leg to stand on! You have NO LEGS. You’re a paraplegic in argument terms.

16/10/2008 at 18:17 Radiant says:

Well said Noc.

16/10/2008 at 18:30 Gpig says:

Does the steam version still have the drm or not? I’m getting the game regardless, but I’ll get the steam version if it’s less of a hassle.

16/10/2008 at 20:13 Noc says:

Also: Not talking about DRM ≠ advocating DRM.
Not talking about DRM = Not talking about DRM.

Saying “This game looks pretty interesting” does NOT involve saying “This game is pretty good and you should buy it regardless of whether it has DRM or not.”

I mean, look at half of the comments in this thread: they say “Yes this game looks really interesting but I don’t know if I’m going to buy it because of the DRM.” Because these are separate issues! DRM is an issue of distribution; “Does this game have DRM?” falls under the same category as questions like “How much does it cost?” and “Is it available on Steam?” and “Is it available in my region?” Gameplay videos are an issue of the game itself, with questions like “Is it fun?” “Is it pretty?” and “Does it have multiplayer?”

Thus, an article on how some game just released a really pretty video isn’t an article in support of, say, the game being banned in Australia simply because it didn’t take the opportunity to rant about how the game is being unjustly banned in Australia.

16/10/2008 at 20:17 CPY says:

What …the… …HELL????!!!!

16/10/2008 at 20:32 Scott says:

K so that was amazing. However, is the combat going to be like the original Far Cry’s? Because that shit was unbearable. I’m all for realism, but dying in three shots while enemies take three clips to the face really isn’t my bag.
And please tell me you’re no longer referred to as “the guy with the shirt.”

16/10/2008 at 21:24 pkt-zer0 says:

Looks pretty awesome. Hopefully they’ll get rid of the DRM in a patch some time after release, to make the game worth buying.

16/10/2008 at 23:15 M. P. says:

When somebody gets it I’d be grateful to hear exactly what sort of DRM is implemented in it. Last two Ubisoft games I bought refused to work because I had virtual drive software installed on my PC, really annoyed me. One, I remember, didn’t even work when I uninstalled the cd-emulation software because there was a single lonely little registry key left over that I had to open regedit and wipe by hand. Haven’t bought a Ubi game since, I know it’s my loss but I’ve got a huge backlog of unfinished games already so it’s not like I need them more than they need me anyway.

17/10/2008 at 00:30 Digit says:

What Alex said. :) I think it’s popular now to jump on an issue and demonise anyone who doesn’t. I can think of several that fall into this category, and to be honest, I really just don’t want to hear any more about DRM. I play games. I don’t play DRM. That’s why I come to various games sites, not hover around the SecuROM and Starforce forums all day. ;)

17/10/2008 at 01:42 Scandalon says:

Noc wins!

Oh, and that trailer made me actually, for the first time, give the game any consideration whatsoever. A level editor like that (provided it also has a decent system for importing custom content, and a scripting system) looks to be exactly what I’ve been waiting for. (And why everytime Source engine is praised, I grow a little greyer…)

Now, once the blasted thing is actually available, and I read some reviews, if I decide that yes, I would like to give them my monies, will I decide if any accompanying DRM hassle is going to outweigh my desire. (Or, should I buy it, and then DL the cracked version…)

17/10/2008 at 09:45 Cataclysm says:

@Noc
“Also: Not talking about DRM ≠ advocating DRM.
Not talking about DRM = Not talking about DRM.

Saying “This game looks pretty interesting” does NOT involve saying “This game is pretty good and you should buy it regardless of whether it has DRM or not.”

I mean, look at half of the comments in this thread: they say “Yes this game looks really interesting but I don’t know if I’m going to buy it because of the DRM.” Because these are separate issues! DRM is an issue of distribution; “Does this game have DRM?” falls under the same category as questions like “How much does it cost?” and “Is it available on Steam?” and “Is it available in my region?” Gameplay videos are an issue of the game itself, with questions like “Is it fun?” “Is it pretty?” and “Does it have multiplayer?”

@Noc
If you buy the game legally you must use any form of DRM thats included in the game. Thus it is a perfectly reasonable concern for anyone considering buying the game.

If they don’t want their game limited and/or malware installed on their system or even just totally refuse to buy DRM covered software, then its a just concern.

RPS do not have any obligation to mention a DRM they know is in a game but they don’t have an obligation to mention glitchy graphics, bugs or bad gameplay within a game either – its just nice for these possible issues to be commented on by a Games Reviewer.

cHeal/Meat Circus maybe worded their post wrongly – stating it is RPS’ duty to mention DRM thats included, as they owe us no “duty” as such, but their point remains that it is nice for a games reviewer to give their readers a heads up on any concerns there is to be had with any games.

Also your sarcasm and condecention doesn’t make your argument any more solid.

As a footnote I’d like to mention I love RPS <3.

17/10/2008 at 09:50 Cataclysm says:

Oh, and Noc, regarding the whole DRM is like asking “how much does it cost” etc. That depends really.

If you know from day 1 it includes DRM, then its totally different from cost/availability as they are usually unknown until very close to release date.

(Sorry for the spam)

17/10/2008 at 13:40 suibhne says:

The reason people (or at least people like me, which may just be me ;) ) are frustrated is that game reviewers seem bound and determined to never mention DRM in a review. Alas, this apparently includes even more “progressive”, enlightened reviewers like the chaps here. I’d understand this if the DRM in question were totally invisible, as it is with console games, but a 3-computer limit is actually a big deal because it abrogates your right (Constitutionally-derived for those of us State-side) to resell the game on the used market. Personally, I think it’s actually news that game publishers, rather than attacking our legal rights in U.S. court where they’d (probably) lose and where case law already leans against them, are seeking to destroy the used market through the backdoor use of DRM.

That said, Far Cry 2′s DRM will be fine with me as long as the revoke system works properly, because I seriously doubt I’ll be reselling it. I’ve already pre-ordered the game, and this trailer has my mapmaker friends pretty stoked.

18/10/2008 at 09:29 Digit says:

$50 from CD Wow :o

Why are they so special? EB will certainly flog this for closer $100

26/10/2008 at 21:45 Jelly says:

For those who are interested, I’ve made an MP3 of the full version of this song recorded from a YouTube video. Quality is good, as far as my ear can tell.

I couldn’t find any Artist or Title better than the video told us, so I’ve put those in the tags.

10/01/2009 at 22:15 Felix says:

I’m supposing DRM is the little activation keys you need to type? If so the people at Sierra are idiots. I bought Tribes: Vengance and downloaded it. Then it asked me for actuvation. . . It happened to be on these paper CD jackets that I threw out because I wanted my CDs to have real cases. :\ Anyways I agree with Noc. Besides rather than complaining about DRM or requesting that DRM is mentioned here why not earn some money buy a console and never need to bloody worry about it again?

Oh my God. I laughed when I saw this at the bottom of RPS’s page XD

Amount of comments not about piracy: 0.972%

Wow. XD Seriously though lightne up people. Like someone else said. It’s called google. You guys don’t own the site. If you think DRM should be mentioned and they don’t want to mention it. GO AWAY. For God’s bloody sake.

10/01/2009 at 22:22 Felix says:

Oh I forgot. Reading all this DRM shit made me forget. I cannot stop watching that trailer!