Unknown Pleasures 2009: Zeno Clash

By John Walker on January 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm.

Punch him in the beak!

Zeno Clash is different. Which is refreshing. A melee-focused first-person game in the Source engine, in a world that doesn’t look like anything else around. Which isn’t a thing you get to say about many games. Nominated in the 2009 IGF Awards, the independent game from the start-up Chilean developer is rapidly gathering attention. We’ve had a preview of a few levels, and spoken to one of the founding members of the ACE Team, Edmundo Bordeu, which marvellously you’ll find below.

The most important thing Zeno Clash has to get right is the melee combat. There’s no question that they’ve nailed the art design (although some more colour balance is needed, the gorgeous backgrounds tend to be so colourful that spotting your enemy can be tricky), the voice acting is quite remarkably good, and even the weapons are completely novel. What will make or break it is how convincing the one-on-one fighting feels.

From our brief play, it’s almost there. Dodging is still tricky, and getting hit has a surprisingly violent result, causing you to drop any weapon you might carry, stumble, and lose a chunk of health. (The game uses Mortal Kombat-style health bars at the top of the screen during fights). I think this might simply be a difficulty tweak – even on Easy it’s a tad challenging. However, I can safely say I’ve never played a game in which I’ve beaten up an elephant with a hammer, or bashed someone’s face into my knee quite so brutally, yet without it feeling icky. We intrigued, impressed this will be a $20 indie release, and wanted to find out more about the process of getting the game to this stage, and the challenges going forward. So we spoke to one of the founding brothers behind ACE Team, Edmundo Bordeu.

This is not Edmundo Bordeu.

RPS: How did ACE Team come to be?

Edmundo Bordeu: ACE Team has been working as a company for about two years, but the name comes from much earlier. Initially “ACE” was the initials for Andres Carlos and Edmundo Bordeu and we used that name as a mod development team. The three of us are brothers, and we always wanted to make videogames.

We started by “modding” games in a Macintosh Plus (I put modding in quote marks because at the time the only thing we could do was change a few pixellated graphics). We did make other bigger mods, like a mod about Batman for Doom (Batman Doom), and an action-horror single player mod for Quake 3, called “The Dark Conjunction”.

In 2004 Andres and Carlos started working for Wanako Games, a Chilean company that specializes in casual games. There they met David Caloguerea, an excellent programmer. In 2007 the three of us together with David went independent so we could work on Zeno Clash. We always wanted to make our own original games, and that wasn’t going to happen while working in someone else’s company.

RPS: Are there many developers in Chile? It’s not a part of the world we’ve seen many games come from, beyond the non-New York half of Wanako Games.

EB: There are definitely not many developers in Chile. There are a couple of other game developers besides Wanako and ACE Team that work on mobile phone games or flash web games, and of course there are modders and videogame student projects just like anywhere else …but that’s about it.

The environments are astonishingly designed.

RPS: Zeno Clash, from what we’ve seen of it, looks like an extremely bold and ambitious first game. What inspired the decision to make it?

EB: From the mods we have made you can guess we have a preference for the first person shooter genre. But also our favorites are the ones that change things a bit, like the Thief series, or System Shock.

We had already made a prototype of Zeno Clash during 2003 (at the time it was called ‘Zenozoik’). This game was probably too ambitious; it was supposed to have huge worlds, RPG elements like different character classes, problems that could be solved with multiple violent or non-violent solutions and a very incomplete first person melee combat system. Eventually we ended up with a demo which had a lot of things, but none of them were exceptional.

So years later, when we started reworking Zeno Clash we decided to focus on the coolest features of the game and on what we would be capable of producing as a starting independent game studio. Our top feature would be first person melee combat. It was a big decision to start producing Zeno Clash, so we made a demo in the Source engine and then we showed it to the people at Valve. They liked it and told us all we had to do was make the game and they would sell it on Steam. That is a very good start for a project, so at that point we knew we were on the right track.

These guys are huge. Some of the biggest creatures I've seen in a game.

RPS: The game has an amazingly unique look. Who’s responsible for the artistic direction, and how important has that been when developing the game?

EB: Andres, Carlos and I always work on the design and art areas. While we were making the demo we were still experimenting with the look of the game, but I had more time than them to make art assets, and I wrote the story, so I guess that is why later I became ‘art director’. But we all contributed to the look of the game.

I think giving the game a unique art direction has been one of the most important things for us. We didn’t want to make another war-inspired shooter or an ‘orcs and elves’ fantasy game, because there are thousands of other developers already doing that. One of the things we have always liked in games is how unique and strange the worlds can be, and personally, I have played some games just to see how the next level looks like. However, we felt the first person genre had a few “holes” in its diversity…

Last year I made a list of all the first person shooters that had been released recently, and found out that 50% were about wars or terrorism, 35% were about wars in space or with monsters, 3% were gun simulations, and only 10% explored all the other remaining possibilities. In 2007 even Turok became a space marine!

Our inspirations were Bosch’s paintings and John Blanches ‘punk fantasy’ illustrations from the 80’s. It was something we really liked, but we had never seen in a game. Oh, and they have colors! Another thing we wanted to react to was the trend in gritty and monochromatic color palettes being used so often. Making a strange, even ugly world, sounds risky, but it has worked great for us.

RPS: Can you explain a bit about who Father-Mother is?

EB: Father-Mother, a huge part-bird part-human creature, is the main antagonist of the story. He/she is both father and mother of many of the characters in the game (including Ghat, the player character) and Father-Mother’s children are also very diverse; humanoids and animals of all kinds. In the land of Zeno Clash there are no kings, states or law enforcers, so the only forms of organized groups you find are gangs and families. Since Father-Mother has so many children he/she is the head of the most powerful group around.

Father-Mother always keeps many of his/her babies hidden inside his/her vest. Most people who test the game see Father-Mother and think he/she is a “creepy-monster” kind of character, and they often assume he/she eats the babies or something like that, but of course he/she doesn’t!

I suppose we often assume that ugly characters must do bad things, but Father-Mother loves all his/her children. Ghat is the one who will get in trouble with the rest of his family, disobeying Father-Mother, and starting the conflict which will be resolved in the game.

Seriously, it's constantly this weird.

RPS: How important is the plot in the game? Where does the focus fall between action and story?

EB: The story is important in a single player adventure. People are curious about the strange world and characters we have created, but I guess they also want to finally make sense of what they are seeing. The plot is a big part of our game.

Zeno Clash is an action game, but at many points of the game there are scripted events or in-game cinematics. Cinematics are not the only way to tell a story in a game, but I think it is still one of the most effective.

We also try to follow this rule; any sequence which is about action and fighting is left for the player (and not a cinematic). Don’t you feel a bit cheated in a game when your character can do much cooler actions during cinematics than when you are playing as him?

RPS: Has Source been a natural fit for melee combat?

EB: I think Source is a good engine for a great variety of games. Source has so many tools available it helps a lot in development. The character animation and facial systems are the best I’ve ever used. For example; in Zeno Clash you can read your enemy’s attitude in his face, (whether he is in angry, scared or “bragging”. Emotions change a bit the way the enemies fight). The point is that we had time to add this feature only because the basic tools necessary to make it work were already there.

But no matter the engine, first person melee combat is something that had to be re-invented. Few FPSs have done melee combat, and they have always done it in different ways. Dark Messiah of Might and Magic also used the Source engine and has melee weapon combat, but it is still very different from what we are doing with Zeno Clash.

Freakiest moment in the preview levels: the guy on the right, leaning his head against a tree, not moving.

RPS: Melee is very rare in first-person games. Why do you think that is? And has it been a challenge to get it working?

EB:I don’t know why it hasn’t been done more often. It is something we wanted to have in our prototype in 2003, so I am surprised few people have tried it since then. Many exciting action moments happen when the enemies are close, so it makes perfect sense to have melee combat in a first person game.

But if we remember, some years ago characters who had feet were also rare in first person games, so maybe that was one of the reasons, because I think having an actual body in the game world is important to make convincing melee combat. How could you grab an enemy and kneebash his face if your avatar during gameplay is just a couple of arms?

That was the first challenge: To attach the camera to the eyes of a player model, which will animate and move when you perform any action, thus influencing the camera. Some people were worried that it would mean too much camera movement, and that players would get confused, but it doesn’t need to be that way. You simply don’t need to go for realism with the camera movement; the camera won’t mimic every single movement of the character’s head (because that would be annoying). We edit, stabilize or smooth camera movement by hand for every animation.

Another challenge was giving the combat system depth without making it too difficult to learn and control. One thing we did was create a lock-on system during melee combat. Locking your view frees you from the necessity to aim every single punch, and allows you to focus on other things of the combat system, like dodging, blocking and deflecting punches. Other games fix this by using a lot of auto-aiming for melee combat, but I don’t think it was enough for Zeno Clash. We have changed the locking system a lot of times since the first version, and it has improved a lot thanks to the feedback from playtesters.

RPS: Do you believe there are risks when challenging your audience with something distinct and new?

EB: In videogame development there are always risks, but trying to innovate is definitely not the greater risk. When we submitted our “Zenozoik” demo some years ago to a scouting agency (which would then present it to publishers) one of the main questions they asked in their forms was “To what other game is your game similar?”, because they tried to predict how well a game would do by comparing it to other similar games. That would make them feel safe.

I disagree completely with this philosophy. As an antidote to this mindset I highly recommend the book “Funky Business” by Jonas Ridderstale and Kjell Nordstrom. In the book you can find many examples of how industries thrive on innovation, and that there is a far greater risk than making something distinct: and that’s to do what everyone else is doing.

Zeno Clash is due out in the next couple of months, available via Steam.

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56 Comments »

  1. Ian says:

    It looks absolutely barmy.

    Want play.

  2. Dan Harris says:

    I’m looking forward to this. I would like more detail on what weapons are available though, if you know it?

    (come on tomahawk, go tomahawk!)

  3. The Hammer says:

    This is one of my most awaited games this year, though I keep forgetting about it! It’s so unusual and looks so beautiful and bright and vibrant, and the developers sound like visionary professions who still know their boundaries. The story sounds fab, too, and if the voice-acting is good, then this game is truly gonna win.

    Consider me interested!

  4. The Poisoned Sponge says:

    I want this to do brilliantly just because it’s so different. Innovation and uniqueness should be encouraged, not stifled.

  5. The LxR says:

    Very original designs – since the first screenshots with the elephant man I wanted to play this very bad. A shame, it’s not a full-fledged RPG and all these creature designs are just colorful punching bags. :(

  6. The Hammer says:

    Oh, and…

    “We also try to follow this rule; any sequence which is about action and fighting is left for the player (and not a cinematic). Don’t you feel a bit cheated in a game when your character can do much cooler actions during cinematics than when you are playing as him?”

    Yesssss. This is brilliant.

  7. hydra9 says:

    Very interesting interview – Thanks! I’m still not totally sold on this, but I think they deserve my $20 anyway. I just hope the story is deeper than average.

  8. Bobsy says:

    I’m playing Dark Messiah at the moment. It’s a ton of fun.

  9. Shibby says:

    Looks good

  10. Schmung says:

    Excellent, glad to hear that the combat actually works.

  11. James G says:

    Wow, the art direction is absolutely fantastic, which makes me disappointed that the game mechanic is one which doesn’t particularly appeal to me. I know that for many people melee done well is the holy grail, but I find if ever I’m melee-ing in game, I just panic and button mash. Still, I wish the developers the best of luck, and will certainly be watching from the sidelines with interest.

  12. Dreamhacker says:

    Dark Messiah rip-off! :P

  13. Ceremony says:

    Awesome interview, I’m really looking forward to this.

  14. cyrenic says:

    Very interesting, but I’ll need to play a demo of the melee combat before I’m sold on the game. I’ll have to play it to believe a particular game has good melee combat, because it’s had such a shaky history.

    So if you’re reading this, ACE Team, be sure to release a demo at launch, even if it’s just a single fight!

  15. Premium User Badge Morph says:

    I have always harboured a secret desire to punch birds in the face.

  16. Markoff Chaney says:

    Oddly enough, the Original X-Box had 2 decent (and 2 of the first big) FPMs (First Person Meleers). There was Chronicles of Riddick and, iirc, Breakdown. While I hate the thumbstick control scheme for any First Person Game, I felt compelled to get and play these through since they were trying something new with the FP genre. Riddick eventually moved to weapons, but had great meleeing. Breakdown was quite fun too, even if control issues kept getting me down.

    I applaud and support innovation whenever I see it and can afford it. I will gladly give my 20 dollars to experience this as well. I love the art direction and the lore of the world seems great and fresh (from a North American perspective at least). I am a little worried about the meleeing, but hopefully it’s working smoothly and enjoyable to play.

    I’d love to hear of other weapons too and how they change your fighting. Longer swings with a stick that can throw you off balance easier? Faster swing with a hammer? Are there disarms? Bah. I get pages of new info and I ask for more. I guess it shows I’m excited.

  17. Vivian says:

    I hate to say it… but could these finally be the guys to pick up the torch Looking Glass dropped all those years ago? God, I fucking hope so. This could be awesome.

  18. marilena says:

    “In 2007 even Turok became a space marine!”

    Made me smile, that did. I like these guys, many of their opinions mirror mine, so I do hope their game turns out good.

  19. Catastrophe says:

    This game interests me, but melee is so hard to do in a 1st person shooter and is so often failed.

    I enjoyed Dark Messiah but there was some areas it could of improved on.

  20. dhex says:

    i love the art direction. for 20 bucks, i think it’d be durn near impossible to say no.

  21. Bowl of Snakes says:

    First person Melee always brings to mind Half-Life’s flailing crow bar attacks, The lock on system sounds like a great idea to reduce unnecessary flailing

  22. manintheshack says:

    Please God, let them get the melee right.

  23. sbs says:

    This is the one game I am 100% sure I will buy this year.

  24. Thecolours says:

    I’m hoping this game is at least 6 hours long. Regardless, I’ll be picking this up on day one.

  25. Subject 706 says:

    “beaten up an elephant with a hammer” SOLD!

  26. Pags says:

    My favourite games are ones where I have to start every sentence with ‘Man!’ when describing it.

  27. MacBeth says:

    Actually I did once see someone beat a pig to death with a hammer. True story. It was in Australia though, which explains a lot.

    Anyway the game looks fantastic and I really like their thinking. It has a great deal of my goodwill already, so it won’t need to be perfect…

  28. Adventurous Putty says:

    These guys really know their stuff. I’m fascinated by how, for the first time since (I know someone else said it, but I’m gonna say it, too) Looking Glass, they seem to be set on making “gamers’ games” — as in, they know what a fun video game is, and what a video game needs to do to be “art” or significant, and they’re going for it.

    I wish ‘em luck — the game looks ace!

  29. Calabi says:

    Cant wait, people whom have actually played games, making them.

    If these large developers continue to be as stupid as they are, persons like the above will eventually pull the rug out from under them.

    Either that or they’ll steal their dinner money.

  30. Leeks! says:

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

  31. Candid_Man says:

    Will buy it twice, if only for their adversarial stance toward the corporate “philosophy”. This mindset deserves all the acclaim we can throw at it.

  32. jonfitt says:

    I’m intrigued. If the demo’s good I’ll play it.

  33. thefanciestofpants says:

    They’ve got my money, thats for damn certain.

    Go team ACE

  34. fodigg says:

    I must have it. It’s the game I didn’t know I wanted until I heard about it.

  35. Army of None says:

    “It looks absolutely barmy.

    Want play.”

    What he said

  36. SteveHatesYou says:

    This is wonderfully insane. That bizarre description of Father-Mother pretty much guaranteed my purchase.

  37. Oak says:

    Oddly, the only other third-party Source game I can think of, The Ship, is also melee-based.

  38. Marcin says:

    At 20 bucks, I think it’s worth the risk to support folks that seem to have their heads screwed on the right way. I’ll be picking this up on release.

  39. Matt says:

    Well, you certainly have my attention…

    I’m surprised that he’s surprised that everyone thinks that Father/Mother is a creepy monster, when all you have to do is listen to a line of dialog to realize that Father/Mother is CREEPY. Like, the stuff nightmares are made of. Does this stuff pass for normal in Chile? Or are these guys just a little bit off in the head?

    Color me interested, but if this ends up being the game we hope it will be, it’s gonna need a lot of really good word-of-mouth. I don’t think anyone who’s not in the know is going to realize that it’s not some twisted horror game.

  40. truth says:

    I don’t know what your going on about, looks like crap.

  41. sbs says:

    truth is wrong!

  42. pilouuuu says:

    Wow, I’m from Chile too and I’m so proud of this guys. I never knew they made the Batman mod for Doom. It’s so brilliant and I can notice some of the strange style in it already.

    I like Bosch and I can notice some Dali in the art direction too, which is always a good thing. Why is there so little surreal in games? All games look the same and it’s a relief that Zenoclash is looking really unique. Even if it seems somewhat similar to Dark Messiah of Might & Magic gameplay wise I hope it will be in a league of its own.

    By the way, ACE brothers. Is there some way I can contact you for a job? I’m graphic designer and I like making exotic creatures. And it would be my only chance of working in games in Chile!

    Anyway, best luck for you and I hope Zenoclash is the unexpected hit of 2009.

    Viva Chile mierda!

  43. postx says:

    The shots remind me of the fantastic game covers ca 1990.

  44. MeestaNob! says:

    This game looks bonkers. I join the chorus of Want.

  45. Senethro says:

    Don’t worry truth, have some delicious Wars and Terrorism FPS and all these worrying new thoughts will disappear!

  46. phuzz says:

    I’m going to buy this if only just to make sure they keep making barmy looking games.
    Although personally I’m not big on hitting people. Or elephants.

  47. cowthief skank says:

    Agree with what has already been said. From what I’ve read so far it is worth my $20 (about £50?) simply to reward the uniqueness. Unless the game turns out to be absolutely horrible, which doesn’t seem too likely.

  48. Manny Manburger says:

    cowthief: Huh? 20 dollars = 14 pounds

    I’ve been following this game for a while.
    It looks incredibly tantalizing. Do want!

  49. Pags says:

    cowthief: Huh? 20 dollars = 14 pounds

    British art of exaggeration, friend. Pretty sure cowthief was playing on the whole ‘pound ain’t worth sheeeeeet’ thing.

  50. cowthief skank says:

    Haha. I was indeed. Bloody stupid economy, and all that…