Total Warhammer DLC ended with Bretonnia as devs switch to sequel

As the fantasy Frenchman of Bretonnia arrive in Total War: Warhammer [official site] today with a free update, The Creative Assembly have announced they’re done with this instalment of the Twarhammer trilogy. The plan all along has been for one core game followed by two stacking standalone expansions, and the devs say they’re stuck well into the second part. While they don’t say quite where or who this will add, it will be leaving the Old World.

Speaking of new places, The Creative Assembly also teased that they’re working on a new game set in an era they’ve not visited before.

“We want to make the most incredible fantasy trilogy possible,” brand director Rob Bartholomew said in today’s announcement.

“And with Bretonnia, we’re bringing our time in the Old World to a close. Production on the sequel to TW: Warhammer has been underway for some time already and is now a key focus for the studio. It’s time to travel to new lands and discover new races.”

The Old World is the European-y area of the world of Warhammer, where most of the human factions live. Where’s next? Who knows! But if it doesn’t have Skaven, there will be blood in the RPS treehouse. Somewhat confusingly, ‘Old World’ is also a name used to differentiate between the old Warhammer setting and Age of Sigmar, the unpopular 2015 reboot. I’d be astonished if they ditch this mid-trilogy to repeat a mistake, mind.

The plan for Total War’s expansions has been to sell them standalone but, I believe, make them able to hook into the base game if you own it, eventually leading to a huge world map crammed with all the factions.

The real question is: what will they name it? You can’t get more Total than Total Warhammer without escalating into ridiculous names like Mega Total War and Super Total War Turbo.

The update adding Bretonnia, by the way, should be out now. Today also brings a new physical release, the Total War: Warhammer – Old World Edition. This, I’ll explain for our younger readers, is a bit like how sandwiches come in plastic packaging but the sandwich here is a video game and doesn’t contain awful dry pulled pork.

As for non-fantasy Total War, Bartholomew said:

“Meanwhile, our historical team are also working on a major triple-A title in an era we’ve not visited yet. Over 1.2 million people play Total War every month, with the majority playing our previous games. We haven’t forgotten that.”

So they’ve already done Sengoku-period Japan, Medieval Europe, Rome and Roman Europe, Europe of the Dark Ages, Napoleonic Europe, and the 18th century. By my reckoning, that leaves only… ’70s and ’80s English football hooliganism? I must say I’m surprised, but you can’t argue with mathematics.

That, or they’ve finally given in and are making Total Warr, a game about epic battles for control of the RPS treehouse radio.


  1. SqueekyMcClean says:

    Actually, English football hooliganism has already been covered in a game called “Hooligans: Storm over Europe” in 2002.

  2. Chiron says:

    I suspect Lustria and Naggaroth first then if theres a minor miracle we might see something to do with Cathay (which is a massive fucking deal) but more likely Araby and Khemri or the Chaos Wastes.

  3. Nice Save says:

    No, they’ll have taken on feedback on the name and will be going for a “less is more” approach for the rest of the trilogy. We have Total War Warhammer, and the next one will be Total Warhammer as the fans demand. Then the third one will just have to be Total Hammer.

    You reap what you sow, people.

  4. RedViv says:



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    Maltose says:

    I’d like ancient China. Warring States or three kingdom would be cool.

    India would be pretty interesting too.

    • Hedgeclipper says:

      Waring states seems like a good pick, they could also have’t done the bronze age.

    • aaron.odonnell42 says:

      They also have not done Ghengis Khan, although that has been done elsewhere. They also could do more fantasy, like Warhammer 40K. It will be interesting to see what they pick. As far as what this series can still offer, there is a lot. There is the Skaven, of course, but also High Elves (Teclis baby), Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs, Lizardmen, and Dark Elves to name a few. There are also a lot more characters that could be added for depth as well.

  6. Gyro says:

    I’d be quite surprised if the new Total War wasn’t going to be China based. The Warring States period seems like a gimme.

    • noodlecake says:

      That would actually be pretty cool! I’d be interested in that.

  7. Gothnak says:

    New Settings?

    Modern Day,
    Futuristic? (They can use the magic system to create the equivalent sciencey stuff)
    Renaissance.. Sort of between medieval & empire?

    • Napalm Sushi says:

      I’d love to see them learn a key lesson from Shogun and make a more focused game about just the Italian Wars.

    • Stellar Duck says:

      Pike and shot seems like an obvious era they haven’t touched on. Total Thirty Years War!

      • Rich says:

        The For King or Country mod for Medieval 2 covered the English civil war and did a good job of simulating pike and shot warfare. The campaign map was pretty daunting, with even fairly small English towns included.

    • thetruegentleman says:

      They called it their historical division, so fantasy and sci-fi are probably out.

      As another responder said, pike-and-shot is a top contender, presumably starting with the Fall of Constantinople, and presumably ending with the Nine Years War, or there-abouts.

      There’s a lot you can do with it: for example, King Gustavus Adolphus(of Breitenfeld fame), combined musketeers, pikemen, archers, heavy and light cavalry, field artillery, and specialized units (such as sappers) when needed.

      I can’t help but expect that the Warhammer effects will be squeezed in too, like with giant cannons firing from fortresses, chemical warfare, more bombs, and other such fanciful possibilities.

  8. Hyena Grin says:

    With the commercial success of Battlefield 1, the Great War might look like an attractive era for CA. It’d require quite an adjustment in their usual format but I’d like to see them tackle trench warfare and charges across muddy no-man’s land.

    • Stellar Duck says:

      Part of me would like that, but another part of the, the Grog side, is more than happy with the complexities of To End All Wars and would fear that they’d remove my beloved fidling with supply chains and rail capacity for planned movements.

  9. Landiss says:

    “Speaking of new places, The Creative Assembly also teased that they’re working on a new game set in an era they’ve not visited before.”

    Total War: Stone Age confirmed!

  10. PoundTheClown says:

    I think skaven could get introduced alongside lustria as they are one of the main antagonists to lizardmen. They could also move east to the darklands to add ogre kingdoms and chaos dwarfs.

    For a historical setting i’d quite like to see an Asia-centric Genghis Khan campaign. I don’t think the world wars would fit well tonally with TW.

  11. kud13 says:

    So Total warhammer will now either throw dark v high elves, OR lizardmen vs Skaven at us.

    Like others said, the historical game will probably be about China.

    • SaintAn says:

      Should be all of them, and maybe Daemons of Chaos too coming from the north.

      • lglethal says:

        Exactly set it in the “North America” part of Lustria and you have the Dark Elves in the North, Chaos in the far North, Skaven and Lizardmen in the middle and south and if you dont mind playing with distances a bit, chuck Ulthuan to the side of the continent, and boom, you have your 4 race, 2v2 (plus chaos) fight. Same as what you got in TWW1. You could also add in the Norse and Amazons since they both exist in Lustria in the old pre-sigmar Warhammer Lore, so there’s your DLC.

        Did I miss anyone?

        • sosolidshoe says:

          They’d be better off going south IMO. Skavenblight is there nestled between Tilea & Estalia, there are Lizardmen in the Southlands, Araby would provide a relatively unique & interesting human faction, and Tomb Kings can also make an appearance as Nehekara is just next door.

  12. Archonsod says:

    They could do the English Civil War. It then solves the naming problem of the third in the Warhammer trilogy by making it a crossover. Total Witchfinder.

  13. stringerdell says:

    I love most of the old historical TW games but now i just want more warhammer stuff.

    Im not particularly into the lore or warhammer itself but the huge, fundamental differences between races and their strengths and weaknesses makes for fantastic gameplay. I dont think I can go back to the main differences between factions being stuff like ‘these guys have better spearmen’

    • MiniMatt says:

      Agree; TW editions always seemd a bit samey, but Warhammer’s asynchronous nature has revived the format and arguably taken Shogun 2’s “best in the series” crown.

  14. Fiercebones says:

    Moving to war in the information age: focusing on propaganda, hacking and #FAKENEWS, it’ll be called ‘Total: Bollocks’

  15. George Earlslight says:

    My money on Total War: 40K

    • SaintAn says:

      You want to pay me now or later? Not the wisest move to bet when you are ignorant.

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        Phasma Felis says:

        Is there a reason you’re being so pissy at random comments?

  16. SaintAn says:

    Where’s the source? You’re not the most trustworthy site these days, and they said not too long ago they planned to keep making small DLC, but that they were done with major DLC. And we still have a free DLC listed as coming.

    • ZippyLemon says:


      I would also appreciate the source. Couldn’t find it on Gamasutra.

    • Sian says:

      The source is likely some press release that isn’t on the internet. A simple search tells us that several sites have reported on this:

      (Oh dear, I hope that link gets shortened too.)

      Edit: Turns out it doesn’t, but do pick a sentence from the above quotes and put them into Google, add quotation marks and voilà (‘scuse my French): several hits on different gaming sites. As I said: Probably a press release.

      • SaintAn says:

        The old Joystiq writers used to talk about things like this. Some fake news would get posted somewhere and some site would report it as news without source checking and another would copy it from a site that posted it and it would spread. Apparently it happens occasionally. Joystiq writers boasted about never falling for it when all the other sites would before they closed down. I looked at some other sites and am not seeing sources from them either, so I don’t know. Haven’t seen anything official saying this.

    • Stellar Duck says:

      How are they untrustworthy?

      • Landiss says:

        Didn’t you see the angry mob under the article about TW campaign map being unreadable?

        • Stellar Duck says:

          I certainly noticed that some people got up in arms about a writer having a different opinion than they did, but I can’t say I related that to lack of trustworthiness in writer or site, as much as overwrought nerds being up in arms about someone having thoughts about a game they like. Internet day to day business, I guess.

          Did anyone actually suggest that because the writer thought the map wasn’t all that good that the site is not trustworthy? Or are you having me on? The latter, right?

          • Landiss says:

            I just meant in general, people who come to the site from Steam, read one article, knowing nothing or almost nothing about RPS, are very quick to shout things like “writer was bribed” and “site is not trustworthy”.

          • Stellar Duck says:

            Ah, got it!

            I suppose I didn’t think of it in the map article but I notice them all the time in anything related to “politics”.

      • SaintAn says:

        In their attempt to be comedic they sometimes post incorrect information or completely butcher the information they are reporting like last years chaos cinematic article for example. Sometimes they report ignorant sensationalist garbage like yesterdays Warhammer/Total War article too. Not the great site it was a few years ago, but still not horrible like the other gaming sites are these days.

  17. JustOneWay says:

    Nerdy nitpicking I know.
    The old setting is referred to as The World That Was.
    The Old World is the European alike part of that.

    • Alice O'Connor says:

      Here we bump into slang vs. official terminology.

      • Ghostwise says:

        Let’s go with slang, then.

        Because we are cool rebels who go against The Man, just like, hmmm, every single other person.

      • Bull0 says:

        Also, in sales terms, Age of Sigmar is wildly popular.

        • mrpage says:

          Depressingly, although the setting is awful and despised by all righting-thinking people, it does seem to sell models better than classic Warhammer did.

          • Chiron says:

            It requires a few less models and there is a lot of crossover between 40k and Age of Shite models. Especially with the Orks.

            Sorry, Oruks.


      • Fiatil says:

        You’ve just created your own confusion! Your post says “Somewhat confusingly”, someone tells you that the confusion arises because you’re using the incorrect terminology, and then you brush aside their correction. Slang often is confusing you know! If you use the correct terminology it wouldn’t be confusing at all.

  18. zulnam says:

    Dammit, if standalone expansion = different campaign map for every sequel i will be pissed.

    Give me one large world, not 3 smaller ones.

    • DarkFenix says:

      Apparently the intention is that the different maps ultimately integrate with one another. Whether that’ll make one giant map or several semi-integrated maps like Empire remains to be seen (I’d wager the latter).

  19. Aetylus says:

    CA don’t call them “standalone expansions”. They only ever call them “games” or “parts of a trilogy”. Presumably that means they get to sell standalone expansions at full game prices.

    • ButteringSundays says:

      Yes let’s be honest by ‘standalone expansion’s what they mean is ‘DLC content at full-game price’. The GOTY version of this title is going to require a remortgage.

  20. Banks says:

    I bought TW Warhammer in the humble montly and I’ve been having so much fun, it’s been a relief to find out that Total War still has it. I’ll surely play the second one, which I suspect it is not too far away.

    And after this trilogy, TW: feudal China would be perfect.

  21. Extradaemon says:

    >Somewhat confusingly, ‘Old World’ is also a name used to differentiate between the old Warhammer setting and Age of Sigmar, the unpopular 2015 reboot

    In Age of Sigmar, it’s called the ‘World That Was’, not the Old World.

    It’s also fairly popular nowadays, selling far more than WHFB did before its timely demise.

  22. Werthead says:

    Age of Sigmar’s success has been the result of some massaged figures by Games Workshop. It’s inarguably selling more than WHFB did in its last year or so (despite a bump from End Times), but that’s not exactly a surprise: a brand-new range with heavy marketing is going to sell more than an old game winding down. What’s a bit more bizarre is that GW’s last year figures are flat compared to the year before, so Age of Sigmar came out to boost GW’s sales and then didn’t do that.

    What it did do was apparently cannibalise WH40K’s sales (although 40K continues to absolutely bury AoS in comparison, outselling it between 2 and 3-1 despite it winding down in prep for a new edition), which was very much not what GW wanted. What happens when the next 40K edition launches will be interesting: GW will be hoping for AoS to maintain its sales and 40K to jump, but if 40K improves at the expense of AoS, they’ll end up in a position not dissimilar to the old 40K/WHFB relationship.

    What is a bit more damning is that to achieve AoS’s sales success, they had to fold the new Warhammer Quest (Silver Tower) into AoS’s sales, which of course was going to help because there’s GW players who’d sell their firstborn for a new Warhammer Quest edition, regardless of the background fluff.

    On top of that, GW would have still ended up significantly down on the previous year if it wasn’t for licensing. So what saved their bacon in the year of Age of Sigmar’s launch was Total Warhammer, based on the setting they’d just killed.

    There’s also the fact that GW decided to just stop releasing any new books by their best authors (particularly in the 40K line) and spent the last two years messing around with pointless new editions of their old stuff.

    Strange are the ways of Games Workshop.

  23. maninahat says:

    More recent Total War settings are largely determined by whether a major blockbuster movie has been made about it. There hasn’t been any major releases though (in the style of Gladiator, Braveheart or The Last Samurai) so they’re probably tempted to remake Medieval Total War yet again. I’m personally hoping they do a game set in Africa, just around the point where colonialism commences. That gives you a ridiculously diverse range of troops and cultures available to the player. Somehow can’t see that happening though, seeing as how Africa is a continent largely disregarded by both the movie history and amateur history enthusiasts.

    • Landiss says:

      Really? Can you elaborate? I haven’t noticed any kind of such correlation, at all. What was the blockbuster that gave us Shogun 2? The Last Samurai is from 2003, 8 years earlier. What about Attila? Or, more in general, Rome 2? And now Warhammer? Medieval 2? Braveheart is from 1995, so perhaps you meant Medieval 1, but that is from 2002. Seriously, where is the correlation?

  24. wodin says:

    The spectator mod has made the game for me.

    Also sorry for my ignorance but can someone explain this Old World thingy majig?

    • Werthead says:

      The Old World is the faux-European continent from the Warhammer Fantasy setting. It’s where Total Warhammer was set. There are other continents, like the faux-Americas where lizardmen and dark elves are from and the faux-Atlantis that is the home of the elves.

      It’s also the name given to the actual planet, which was completely destroyed (Alderaan-style) in a big event called the End Times two years ago. It was replaced by a new collection of realms and a new game called Warhammer: Age of Sigmar, a reboot of the setting which Games Workshop enacted to make more money (as it allowed them to replace the existing, generic races with new, trademarked versions). This went down like a lead balloon with old-skool Warhammer fans, as you’d expect.

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  26. Koshelkin says:

    Well, if they say they leave the Old World, it might just mean they leave the main continent. Which makes sense if you look at the fact High, Dark Elves, Lizardman and Skaven are (sorely?) missing, which all are on different landmasses(or beneath it). The only army I’d like to see besides the one I mentioned is Chaos Dwarves but I doubt we’ll see it.

    Considering possible new, historical settings they didn’t do any of the 2 World Wars so these are options they might explore or, more unlikely, a game set in medieval china.

    • Landiss says:

      I can’t see how they could make a total war game in WW (1 nor 2) setting.

      I’m expecting something set between the medieval and empire games. China would be nice and in general you can see the global focus is going that direction. But the way they said “era” makes me thing it will be not touched time period, not a different place.

  27. Bimmi01 says:

    I need total war warhammer 2!! Skavens, Tomb Kings, Lizardmen, Ogres.

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    FhnuZoag says:

    Total War: China seems like the most likely possibility. Thirty Years War might work too, get some nice pike and shot tactics going, though there’s a bit of an overlap with Fall of the Samurai. Ancient World: Total War, for some Assyrians vs Persians?

  29. Blurqe says:

    I hope to god they give us Total War 1914. I’ve been looking for a decent WW1 strategy game ever since I started gaming, and I still haven’t found one.