An Actual Crisis: Crysis 2 Leaked

By Quintin Smith on February 11th, 2011 at 9:03 pm.

'Holy shit!' 'I know!'

EDIT: Read EA’s curt response here. “Piracy continues to damage the PC packaged goods market and the PC development community.”

I have no words. Actually, I have some words- according to a thread of the Facepunch forums (which may or may not be deleted any second depending how the Facepunch server holds up), a developer build of Crysis 2 containing the full game, multiplayer and the master key for the online authentication has been leaked, and is currently freely available from all sorts of astonishingly illegal websites. This sounds like it might be a serious tragedy for Crytek. Crysis 2 was scheduled for release on the 22nd of March, so the leaked build could be dangerously close to finished. More on this as we hear it, and thanks to RPS reader James B for letting us know.

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  1. EntropyGuardian says:

    Whoops

    • RegisteredUser says:

      You did it again?

    • Antilogic says:

      I played with your build…

    • PohTayToez says:

      Got the master key for the game.

    • gwathdring says:

      Nicely done.

    • jiminitaur says:

      If the developer and publisher are deserving in the eyes of the players, they will buy the game, regardless of whether the game is pirated or not. Profitability in software is a function of quality and company rapport, and inversely proportional to budget. It’s up to the developer and publisher to properly manage those aspects, and if they don’t, they failed to earn a profit (earn being the operative word); they didn’t have those profits stolen.

    • Braindead says:

      @jiminitaur (can’t reply to a reply directly)
      funny thing is that they did research on how fansubbing (pirating) anime affected sales, and in the end they actually boosted sales of the anime that are considered good. I think this research caries over to game sales. Make a good game and the sales will come (bloody hell can’t even remember who I quoted there)

    • Curious_Orange says:

      I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that a lot have people saying how wonderful it is to pirate something, have never actually had something they’ve created, poured blood, sweat and tears into, ripped onto the internet for anyone to steal at their convenience.

      I used to pirate games, TV shows and music all the time – I was a student, and I justified it to myself that I couldn’t afford to buy boxed products, so the company wasn’t losing any money, because I wouldn’t have bought them in the first place.

      That’s bullshit, and as much as I have great respect for the people who download things and then go out and pay for them, that must be such a tiny minority of the population, because as this thread shows, most people don’t have the moral scruples to care.

      I stopped pirating when I started working for a magazine, and watched our copy sales gradually decline, while every month, I find dozens of torrents that have pirated our digital edition, sitting on various ISO website. It makes me fucking sick – I’ve poured a month of my life, working for fuck all money, into making a brilliant product, along with 10 other people, and then it gets ripped off Zinio, and thousands of people don’t have to give us a penny for our efforts.

      That’s not ‘freedom of information’ or ‘freedom of art’, it’s stealing someone else’s creativity because you’re too lazy or tight to pay for it, and you think you have some right to do it. I’m not sure you’d feel so morally superior if you experienced that feeling, of deflation, frustration, the feeling like there’s no point in bothering anymore, because the people who want your product don’t respect your efforts enough to pay for it.

      You think you’re hurting EA by doing this? They make so much money on FIFA, the Sims and Madden, you never could. All your hurting is the ordinary joes at Crytek, and you’re discouraging big publishers from taking a chance on creative and interesting games.

      Just, stop.

    • Curious_Orange says:

      It’s a lovely thought, I grant you, that every pirate is a potential evangelist for your brand etc, but sadly that’s almost certainly utopian bullshit. Every pirate is someone stealing your product, taking food out of your kids mouths, and harming your business to the detriment of its future operation.

      I love the way indie devs have tried to enact ‘pay what you like’ schemes for their games, and I think it’s a really clever way of small-scale operations trying to claw some of the money back from pirates, and when you’re working small-scale maybe it even works (though I think people paying 1p for a game like World Of Goo is actually more insulting than piracy, but nevermind…).

      But you just can’t do that with a big AAA title, you can’t spend $100million on a game and then have someone pay 1p for it, or nothing at all. If you tolerate piracy, as was the way of it in the early days of the net, then it spreads and becomes mainstream, which it has done. That’s why developers are abandoning the platform for the locked environment of a console.

      If we as a community continue to support and accept piracy, we might as well just all give up and buy Xboxes, because in a few years there’s going to be Blizzard (subscription model), Valve (the best DRM available) and some indie devs who have such small margins, they can afford a bit of piracy.

      I don’t want to live in a world where the PC is even more of the ginger stepchild it is at the moment, but the day is coming where we won’t see games like Crysis or Assassin’s Creed or COD or whatever you happen to love that’s not an indie game, on the platform. The only way we can stop it is to grow up and accept that just because you can steal something, doesn’t make it morally right.

    • WarFace says:

      Multiplayer in Crysis? Is Crysis 2, multiplayer game, in crisis? Forget about Crysis 2 being leaked, what gamers… http://fb.me/Te2VRvoQ

  2. Duffin says:

    Bloody Nora.

  3. cpeninja says:

    I’d love to hear the justification from pirates on this one. Seriously – all of those ‘are hackers dangerous’ FUD stories you hear on the local teevee stations screaming alarmist BS are actually sounding like intelligent warnings at this point. I’m going to go ahead and declare the people who download and play this to be actual downright dirty rotten criminals. Nothing more, nothing less.

    • CoyoteTheClever says:

      Even if they end up buying it when it comes out? Lol.

      I’d wait for the actual data on release sales before having a moral panic.

    • cpeninja says:

      Morality nothing – this isn’t a good thing for Crytek. The “I just want to try it” bullshit is the biggest lie told to oneself since “I’ll go to the gym tomorrow.”

    • triple omega says:

      What if they’ve pre-ordered it? What if they pre-order after? Or just simply buy the game after? What if they play no more then a demo’s worth and then discard it?

      Seriously, calling people criminals for infringing copyright is just stupid. Calling them criminals for wanting to play a game early even more so.

    • Theory says:

      This goes beyond money. Don’t you feel even an ounce of shame?

    • lorddon says:

      The most I’m willing to give you is the guys leaking the game are culpable. People playing it? It’s out there, you can’t stuff the genie back in the bottle or pretend it’s not there. If they play it and enjoy it and end up buying the game, more power to them.

    • TenjouUtena says:

      Wait.. really? People breaking the law aren’t criminals any longer? Note he didn’t say thieves, for those of you who like to play semantics to make yourselves feel better, but a law is a law, whether you agree with it or not.

      People who play versions of games illegally are criminals. Whether or not it’s stealing is somewhat of an academic question. (Though, if you’ve ever accused someone of ‘Stealing your idea’ then you use the word in exactly the same way as people who call software pirates ‘thieves.’) Whether it affects sales isn’t, really, but to what extent is.

    • mittortz says:

      I’ll be the first here to say that I’m going to download it. If I thought that my personal download would affect Crytek’s opinion of the PC platform, then I wouldn’t – but it’ll be the actual sales (or lack thereof) that’ll influence their future support.
      And I’m going to buy it also. If anyone thinks that’s equivalent to saying “I’ll go the gym tomorrow”, then you should know that I’ve made numerous successful gym schedules and carried them out over the years. Besides that, I would feel like crap and give up PC gaming if I didn’t end up buying it. I don’t get enthusiastic about platforms and then not support them, it just doesn’t cohere with my philosophical logic.
      And yeah, I’m also one of those that pirates a ton of music but then goes out and buys whatever I like (which ends up not only being more than most people, but also more than I would without the ability to pirate). I won’t justify piracy for the masses, because most definitely don’t do what I do, but I will justify it for myself. Or at least allow it.

    • CoyoteTheClever says:

      People can be criminals in one sense of the word but not another. Criminal has a legal definition of course. Political dissidents in China are criminals too. But it also has a pejorative sense. We wouldn’t ever call political dissidents in China criminals, even if they technically are. We’d call them political dissidents. Same thing with the protesters in Egypt. They are running around breaking the Egyptian government’s laws. But we call them protesters, not criminals, because they don’t fit the pejorative sense of the word criminal. It has to be a law we agree with that they break to actually fit that pejorative word.

    • RQH says:

      Alright. I hate playing the pirate blame-game. Really do; perhaps because I seem to be one of a very few people on the fence about piracy. I don’t pirate myself, and I rather think that my friends who do ought to pay for the games that they play so religiously (because I assure you, my friends are not just demoing them), and personally I find the demoing justification to be a bit of slippery slope (When do I know enough about a game to think it’s worth my money? Am I honest enough to burn through a game I really love and then pay for it? Furthermore, can I afford to be as honest as I would like to be?) But I won’t pretend to be able to extrapolate my experience to that of others; I’m fully willing to allow that some people may be more honest than me or my friends. Furthermore, I think the war that devs wage against pirates is mostly futile and misguided, with far too much collateral damage to be worth it.

      That said, blame the leak, not the downloaders because “It’s out there now! It’s too late!”–That’s a load of bullshit. Just because someone leaked it, doesn’t mean anyone has to download it. Sure, blame the leak, but it doesn’t absolve people of the responsibility for their actions: they still have a choice about downloading it. Do I think they’re the evilist evil that ever eviled for downloading? No, but clearly responsibility for this situation, however you view it, lies both on the leak and those who download.

      EDIT: I should also add that if I believed that most people (myself included) were like mittortz–enthusiastic about the medium and conscientious in their downloading, I would have no problem with it whatsoever. Which is again, why I’m really rather on the fence about piracy.

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      Lambchops says:

      @ Miitortz

      Just a general comment (I have no wish to wade into a piracy debate) but isn’t it pretty easy to hear music without resorting to piracy these days? What with Spotify (and equivalent services in other countries) providing access to whole albums, Bandcamp and even Youtube I generally find that trying before I buy in terms of music is pretty straightforward. In a way I kind of miss the days of buying an album off the back of one decent track that you heard on the radio with no idea how the rest of it sounded. In another I’m not, while I bought some gems I also picked up the odd absolute stinker!

    • StingingVelvet says:

      @ Mittortz

      I agree with everything you said but the key is the last part. Most will not do what you do, most will play this and then never look at the game again, so it is still a terrible thing to have had happen.

      I post more regularly on bluesnews.com and there is a guy there who downloads every PC game, plays it, then buys it if he liked it. I believe him that he does that, and since he is supporting PC gaming I try not to give him a hard time. The bad news though starts when he advocates this method to everyone and acts like it is common sense. The problem is if everyone followed that method sales would PLUMMET, because not everyone is as honorable as him and you, not everyone is empathetic or makes the logical connection of sales to support.

      For me it is better to just not be tempted at all and wait to buy the game.

    • The Great Wayne says:

      What’s funny (or stupid, probably both) is that people moan and whine about piracy, but won’t find weird to pay the same price for a digital download and a boxed game.
      It’s a simple point, really, and has nothing to do with being apologizing toward piracy. It could however shows how some firms end up twisting the consumer view of his own rights not to be metaphorically introduced with blunt objects in unusual orifices.

      That said, I’ve known a lot of pirates throughout my life, yet I know none who’ll pirate a game he’d have bought anyway. The piracy argument coming from the companies is a strategic move. Supporting it as a consumer is a proof of very poor common sense.

    • TenjouUtena says:

      @Coyote:

      Okay, I’ll bite. First off, lots of people DO call those people criminals. The US calls the 911 bombers criminals, though I’m sure in their circles they are heroes (for instance).

      There are groups who think that almost any crime should be legal. I don’t see what’s wrong with calling software pirates criminals.

    • lorddon says:

      @TenjouUtena And we say those people are simple, with un-nuanced morals who see the world as a binary black and white. In the US we call them Republicans.

    • mittortz says:

      @all those who replied

      I agree with RQH on blurring the line between pirating a game and “just demoing” it. It’s a strange predicament, and I actually rarely pirate games. I’ve dumped hundreds of dollars into Steam in the last year – it’s wayyy more convenient, and it’s morally just, which makes it worth it to me. Discs/boxes for games have become more of a nuisance than anything anymore.

      Lambchops, you’re pretty right about Spotify. I live in the US, so what I use is Zune Pass. I’ve been a faithful subscriber at $15/month for around 8 months now. The problem is that over here, the way labels and copyright is handled, it’s impossible to have everything available, which means that about half of what I listen to (the indie stuff and weird electronica) has to be acquired through other means. Once I find what I like, I go down to the locally owned record store and hope they sell it, or order it on amazon.

      To StingingVelvet, yeah I totally agree there. Which is why you’ll never hear me advocate piracy. In fact, I’m gonna be a dick pirate and just leech the Crysis torrent but not seed it. Sorry other-pirates. This is motivated equally by moral principle and a desire not to get caught by possible authorities already monitoring the torrent.

      EDIT: @lorddon
      LOL

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      Lambchops says:

      I miss not having a locally owned record store. Not that I’ve got anything against Amazon, but I just really like browsing through the shelves, asking the staff for recommendations and so on. Alas though, Oxford has nary a one. No bloody Greggs either. This city is a shambles!

    • Deano2099 says:

      @TenjouUtena

      You’re technically right mate, but by applying a grammatically stringent definition you make 98% or more people ‘criminals’ and the word becomes pointless.

      Ever drove 1mph over the speed limit?

      Rode a bike on the pavement?

      Dropped litter?

      All crimes, doing them technically makes you a criminal. As such, we don’t tend to use the word ‘criminal’ unless a major law has been broken. Now, you and I can differ on whether piracy is a big enough law to warrant labelling people ‘criminals’. There’s strong cases to be made on both sides.

      But what you can’t do is say “everyone that breaks a law is a criminal and therefore I win the argument”.

    • ScubaMonster says:

      @CoyoteTheClever – I think it’s pretty ridiculous, and possibly even insulting, that you put piracy on the same pedestal as protesters in Egypt or Chinese dissidents. That’s completely ridiculous. They aren’t some revolutionary pioneers fighting for freedom, they are people downloading software.

      I realize you were merely trying to make a point, but that was a bad analogy. That’s similar to the arguments comparing someone to Hitler. Reverse Godwin?

    • Mattressi says:

      I’m usually one of the guys sticking up for ‘pirates’ (people who’ll pirate a game because it has no demo or has ridiculous DRM which the ‘free’ edition does not), but I just can’t think of how this could be defended.

      Usually the excuse is that there’s no demo, but IIRC Crytek have already said they’ll release a multiplayer demo before release on PC. I haven’t heard of any ridiculous DRM included either. The price hasn’t been inflated either. I really wonder what the justification is? I know that some will buy it anyway, but I really worry that many more won’t and it will affect sales (at least, for a bit: I guess that once patches or DLC come along some people will buy it to get it updated).

      How do the people who released the pirated copy justify it? Usually they say crap about how it’s a game to them; to be the first to (and hence best at) crack the game’s DRM. This, though? They’ve just been given a developer edition and released it online with little to no effort.

    • dadioflex says:

      I’ve “pirated” a load of games from back in the day when it took months for the UK version to be released. I still had them pre-ordered.

      I actually feel sorry for someone for whom this is SO good or evil. You’re missing a chunk of your personality, honey. You don’t get to decide, the developers don’t get to decide. The market decides whether this is a business. No place for extraneous emotion in business.

    • Ringwraith says:

      This pretty much says it all about piracy.

    • battles_atlas says:

      I don’t think arguing over the definition of ‘criminal’ is really getting to the crux of the matter. This leak is a Bad Thing. If you’re impatient but upstanding enough to both torrent it and still buy the release copy, then it would be foolish to condemn you. But clearly many others wont be so virtuous, so if you can see your own moral obligation here to do the right thing, you should be able to see the wider one as well.

      I’m not claiming this is all black and white though, its all context. There are many areas of business that are far too adept at shafting the consumer for us to lose any sleep over some payback. However, with one or two exceptions, I don’t think the games industry, and certainly not Crytek, have been guilty of such behaviour. Obligations cut both ways. Crytek have been a positive force in PC gaming, they deserve better than this.

      Edit: @dadioflex

      Thank you for the Gordon Gecko argument. I kind of feel though that, mid-banking crisis, we’ve all seen plenty enough of the world the neolib fairytale leaves us with. Becoming part of it is not the solution.

    • johnes says:

      the only person to blame in this case is the leaker (or leakers)

      there are many types of pirating: the ones that pirate the game, enjoy it, and don’t buy it (they seem to be the majority) probably some are genuinely poor or underaged, playing the game on low graphic settings or whatever
      some just don’t feel like paying for the game
      some do it to test the game, if they enjoy, they buy, if they don’t enjoy, they don’t buy and throw the game
      other’s are short on money, and will buy the game when it gets half price or as soon as they can

      the solution to this problem is sensibilisation, and not retarded rage and screaming “HURR DURR CRIMINALS”

      also, some info on this leak: you can only play it on medium and with dx9 mode.

      it’s only a few weeks from release.

      i feel sorry for cevat yerli and his team

      here is an interesting link on DYING PC GAMING DUE TO PIRACY WAHH

      http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

    • lokimotive says:

      The justification is, of course, that people are impatient.

      I do think it’s unfortunate that this will inevitably damage Crytek’s sales. In an ideal world, people would download the game out of curiosity and play it without any effect in the sales of the end product. Of course that’s not going to be the case, but then again I’m sure a large number of the people that download the build and don’t purchase it were never going to purchase it in the first place.

      But this is really problematic from a marketing standpoint… which is of course the major issue with pirating. The producers of a product no longer have as much control over how that product is marketed or distributed. In this case, the leaked game could build incredible hype, or it could be completely disastrous. If it builds hype, the many people that don’t feel like going through the hassle of pirating it (and it is a hassle), or can’t because their on a console may now purchase the game when they wouldn’t have before. If, on the other hand, people start complaining about the game pre-orders are cancelled and people don’t buy it on release day… but of course those purchase decisions are dubious because they were founded on reviews of an unfinished build.

      And, now, of course Crytek has to figure out what they’re going to do about the leak when they should be concentrating on polishing up the game.

      I don’t know what my point is… I think its that this screws things up as it always does.

    • ukpanik says:

      That copyrighted porn you download…do you cry when you wank?

    • wazups2x says:

      @Stinging Velvet

      I’m going to walk in to Walmart and take a game without paying. If I like it I’ll purchase it, if I don’t I’ll return it.

      That’s basically what you’re saying. Prirating is STEALING. Stop trying to justify it, what you’re doing is wrong.

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      Netkev says:

      @Lambchops when it comes to the “Music can be found everywhere, without need of pirating”, that argument doesn’t really work all that well, as, at least in Denmark, companies apparently like blocking every single ounce of music and video that would otherwise be accessible in our country. Both Spotify and Pandora are blocked, and most music videos on YouTube are blocked as well.

    • theleif says:

      Yeah, pirating a game I illegal. So is (I live in Sweden) crossing a road with red lights, have a glass of wine in a public park, riding your bicycle without lights when it’s dark, and, god forbid, give a lift to a friend on your bike if she or he is over 14 (or something). So is the pot I smoked this night. Or the download of this leaked game. These are all (excluding the pot, not accepted everywhere) socially accepted crimes.
      In my experience, most of the people that get upset about illegal downloading of games are oldish like me (35 and counting). Ever droved home in your car after having a beer (illegal in Sweden)? Do you remember the mixed tapes you made for your friends (illegal)? Or the VHS of American Ninja you copied from him (illegal)? Did you forget that burned CD with that awesome group your friend gave you (illegal)? I bet you had a C64 like me and had the cassettes with the turbo loading games (illegal), or some Amiga game cracked by fairlight (illegal). Or you might be a saint, there are rumours they exist out there.
      We all make our own exceptions to the law, and just because something is illegal doesn’t make it evil. Our standards and perceptions on what is illegal is in a constant change, and is mostly cultural.

      Anyway, my point is, crying CRIME about an illegal download of a game defeats it’s purpose. It is, at this point, as socially accepted, and virtually the same as making that mixed tape for your friend was, 20 years ago.

      Anyway, the person that leaked this game is a fucktard.
      Me? I already pre-ordered it, as I loved Crysis, and I will not download this.
      And finally, yeah, sometimes I pirate a game. It’s rare, but it happens. But, at the same time I got around 170 games on steam, and about the same on impulse and gamersgate combined, and a decent collection of boxed games.You can call me a criminal, and you would be right, but in my eyes it’s irrelevant.

      PS: If I see the car analogy I’ll become a very dull boy.

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      TheApologist says:

      @Coyote If you acknowledge that people generally get to redefine criminal in ways that make intuitive sense, then you acknowledge that I get to define piracy as theft? Because, in the ordinary sense of the getting something illegally without paying for it, it is theft.

      Glad that’s settled.

    • DJ Phantoon says:

      Good lord, people. It’s that intrusive DRM makes buying a game not worth it. Not “I don’t want to pay, because I am cheap.” If you don’t have money, it should be “I am taking this now, but if I like the game, I will buy their products in the future.”

      You can’t claim the moral high ground if you’re just taking things because you can. Companies still need money to run. As another example of logical fallacies used by the selfish and shortsighted, not buying a game isn’t a boycott if you still play it. Ala Modern Warfare 2: How many people actually boycotted it? Considering only 1/12 people in the biggest boycott group on Steam DIDN’T have the game on their account, maybe people should find something that actually bothers them to complain about. Like, say, the pointlessness of the No Russian level.

      Note the CryEngine 3 Editor was also in this download bundle. That is not okay. Guess what? EA has the moral high ground. Pirates gave the second most dickish games company the moral high ground. Good job breaking it, hero.

      This is all the same argument: selfish people put on pirate hats, normal people think you should buy SOMETHING once in a while, and people who are against imaginary property get ignored because no one realizes there’s always at least three sides.

    • jalf says:

      Seriously, calling people criminals for infringing copyright is just stupid

      I think most people would see a moral difference between “driving 1MPH over the speed limit” and “taking something that isn’t yours”. Now, piracy isn’t legally theft, but you are taking and using something you have no right to take or use. If I make something, then I get to choose what to do with it, that’s a pretty fundamental rule of our civilization. If I write a book, then I alone decide whether or not anyone other than me should ever be allowed to read it. And I decide whether to sell it or distribute it for free.

      If I make a game, then you have no right to play it unless I give you permission (directly or indirectly, through you buying it on Steam or in a store)

      Taking something that costs money without paying for it is something most people can agree to call a “crime”.

      Pretending that “it’s only like driving 1mph above the speed limit, or riding a bike on the pavement” is just about the dumbest argument I’ve heard all week.

    • RegisteredUser says:

      Here is one: only rather stupid teenage / mentally still teenage retards would play a beta and not bother with the final build.
      Only retards would bitch, whine and moan about how terrible the game is before it is out and after having only played the beta.
      Only…

      Oh wait.

      I just realized this applies to 90% of people I ever met/saw/encountered online, nevermind.

      I for one won’t even give this a second glance, as it’s rather pointless trying a game where not even the scripting is properly finished yet.

    • HeavyStorm says:

      @triple omega

      Please bear with me:

      “Seriously, calling people criminals for infringing copyright is just stupid. Calling them criminals for wanting to play a game early even more so.”

      First, yes, they are. Copyright *Law*, so, infringing it makes you a criminal, period.

      Second, imagine it like this: this isn’t a finished build. In fact, even though we are close to release, the build that leaked is five months old. So, players, eager to experiment with the game, download it and play. They hate it, ’cause it’s unfinished. So they *don’t* buy the game, even though they intended to in the first place.

      Third, many people will buy the game to play online and such even after downloading a pirated copy. But many more will never buy the game, since they could play it for free. It’s not that they don’t buy games (those that don’t shouldn’t be accounted, anyway), but they will spend their money in another title that is more attractive to be bought, since this one they already played.

      Fourth, let’s say you pay premium price to go to a show, whatever band you like. Then you see a bunch of people jumping over the fence. Wouldn’t you be tempted to call security? I say tempted because, myself, I wouldn’t call security, but I would thought it unfair — I payed, why are they getting it for free?

      They only thing though: is this as damaging as leaking a copy, say, on march 22nd? This isn’t any more bleak for Crytek as the usual piracy, I’d say. Only maybe more people will download the game since they can’t buy it yet…

    • remmelt says:

      > I’m going to go ahead and declare the people who download and play this to be actual downright dirty rotten criminals. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Hurray for living in a country where I would not be a criminal for downloading or playing this release.

      This sure sucks for Crytek and it’s definitely morally sub-optimal, but not illegal (where I live). So you can keep your projections of “freedom” to yourself, thank you very much.

      @ wowwymen: moreover, copyright is a distribution right. As long as I don’t distribute the copyrighted data, I’m not breaking their copyright, in any country. I know torrenting uploads data which can be considered distribution, I also know their are ways of downloading that do not upload data.
      This is why anti-download laws are so stupid.

      Also, I’m all for creators getting paid for their work. Let’s just fix this tired old copyright system and get on with our lives already. This discussion is getting so so old.

    • wowwymen says:

      @TenjouUtena

      “People breaking the law aren’t criminals any longer? Note he didn’t say thieves, for those of you who like to play semantics to make yourselves feel better, but a law is a law, whether you agree with it or not.”

      Actually, it isn’t just about playing semantics to make themselves “feel better.” Using the word “thieves” or “theft” or “steal” while intending to reference copyright infringement is just blatantly wrong. Yes, it is true that a few definitions of the word “steal” can indeed be used to reference copyright infringement. However, that does not make it any less confusing to the average person or any less idiotic.

      What do you think the average person first thinks of when someone uses the word “stealing” while talking about copyright infringement? Most likely, it’s “loss of previously owned property,” and not “perceived loss of potential profit due to copyrighted data being copied.” This is as idiotic as using the word “pirate” to refer to someone who infringes upon copyright. It’s ridiculous, and blatantly confusing. Many people do it simply to anger others or make the issue of copyright infringement seem more dire than it really is.

    • Deano2099 says:

      @jalf

      “Pretending that “it’s only like driving 1mph above the speed limit, or riding a bike on the pavement” is just about the dumbest argument I’ve heard all week.”

      No-one actually made that arguement though. Go back, re-read, and apologise for calling me dumb if you’re a gentleman.

      Incidentally, I’m fairly sure all those people who think stealing and piracy are the exact same thing have never been burgled. Trust me, I’d much rather the bastards had ripped copies of all my DVDs, CDs and games than actually nicked them.

    • Lilliput King says:

      I so cannot be bothered with this argument again but Deano, your post made me laugh. Of course you’d prefer it. You didn’t make any of that shit. Unbelievable that you could think this could pass for an argument.

    • Martha Stuart says:

      First of all people, pirateing music does not make you a criminal. Criminals are prosecuted in federal/state court and are either given a fine and or jail time!!!!!! software/music pirates are not arrested, they are sued in civil court, not criminal court. now the distinction comes down to this. if you pirate a game you get sued. if you pirate a game and make copies and distribute it then it becomes distrobution of stolen property and then it becomes a crime. know your laws people!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TWeaK says:

      To all those branding everyone ‘Criminal’:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal

      Specifically:

      While every crime violates the law, not every violation of the law counts as a crime; for example: breaches of contract and of other civil law may rank as “offences” or as “infractions”.

      Copyright violation is not a criminal offense, it is a civil matter. That is why you don’t have reasonable doubt on your side (it’s 50/50 for you to be convicted and the onus is on you to prove your innocence, rather than 99.9%). It’s also why you wouldn’t receive a jail sentence if you were convicted.

      The terms ‘theft’ and ‘crime’ have very specific definitions, if only for the reason that law needs to be specifically defined so as to prevent it being undermined. While pirating software may have similarities to the underlying principles of these ideas, the terms are incorrect in this case and have no place being used.

      And yes, I would download a car.

  4. steggieav says:

    That’s gotta suck for Crytek. Hope this doesn’t drive them away from PCs.

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      Cinek says:

      Yea… it’s just sad. Crytek has been one of those companies which actually DID care about PC gaming and tried to push the PC graphics towards the edge over consoles… and now this… the guy who did it should have his head eaten by the alien.

    • rei says:

      That’s not my impression of Cevat Yerli at all.

    • Ringwraith says:

      Crysis was one of the most pirated games ever, something like over 10 copies pirated for every copy sold or something else equally ridiculous I think.

    • makou107 says:

      I’m going to go all uber conspiracy theorist on this news and make a bold claim that this was intentional. How is it that something like this happens? It just “leaked”?

      Why not all the other games?

      I wouldn’t be surprised, but mind you I know this is most likely legit, that was done in order to have justification to why they won’t release another PC game. This allows them, at least in their minds, to have a valid reason to focusing on the bigger cash cow of PC gaming without also alienating too much console gamers (who always side with developers against PC piracy”

      Again this is just a “throw it out there” kind of claim. I’m sure there was some twat out there who had this developer code and wasn’t supposed to expose it by mistake to unsecured systems.

    • Nimic says:

      That is genuinely the craziest thing I have ever read. Why on earth would they do that? It doesn’t make sense on any level. Leaking the game, potentially drastically lowering sales just so they can “justify” not being PC focused?

      I’ll still buy it, anyway.

    • Tuor says:

      Hope it doesn’t drive them away from PCs? That’s an odd thing to say when it seems to me that they’re *already* moving away from PCs. This latest release includes consoles, which means it’ll be mainly limited by console capabilities (probably why they’re changing the way the nanosuit works). *If* this turns out to be the case, then I’m afraid I’m not going to feel very sympathetic towards Crytek getting their code leaked: karma’s a bitch.

    • RegisteredUser says:

      They already have, from everything I’ve read and heard so far (developing “with consoles in mind” is – although it should not be and does not have to be – akin to not developing FOR the PC).

      I may be misinformed. But then again even as supposed “PC developers” they have raced towards games that have as limited weapon slots as possible and yet to make one that makes me feel like I am constantly having fun as opposed to constantly compromising, so..

    • rivalin says:

      I’m not in favour of piracy, but Crytek spat in the face of pc gamers years ago, when they announced they were ditching pc exclusivity because of piracy. THIS WAS A LIE, not a mild distortion, A LIE. Piracy plays some role in diminishing pc sales, how much remains unquantified. They say 10 copies were pirated for every copy sold, that does not mean that 10 sales were lost for every copy sold. I suspect a massive amount of piracy of this particular game was down to Crytek’s idiot pr strategy of CRYSIS WILL RAPE YOUR PC REAL GOOD! which of course led to a large number of people being unwilling to pay for a game that might not run properly on their pc.

      The real reason Crytek went multiplatform, as with other devs, is they like money, they like it a lot, (not that there’s anything wrong with that, as long you’re honest about it) however can you imagine the response if they were to announce that that was their reason? Instead they shifted the blame, “we’re leaving pc, it’s your fault, you can’t blame us, it’s because you’re all pirates”. Which pr strategy is a company more likely to adopt?

      A. We’re money grubbing pondfeeders who’ll happily throw over the loyal audience that helped to establish our company in pursuit of that fifth Ferrari.

      B. Unfortunately, and against all our dearest wishes, we’re being forced away from pc exclusivity by heartless and immoral pirates who are destroying pc gaming, it’s not our fault, it’s not our choice, we have to do it.

    • Martha Stuart says:

      So my question is this. i know for a fact that the CIA uses multipule versions of classified documents. in each document that is given out to a person or persons, they use a certain squence of words such as “i was driving to the store”. in another document they word it slightly different, like “when i was driving to the store”. this basically makes each individual document unique. so when said document is leaked they just look and what ever sequence that they used and they know exactly whos copy was leaked.

      Now this should be even easier they a computer program because you can insert and completely arbitrary number sequence into that code, that serves no other perpose then to make each copy unique. so how do they not know who leaked it?

    • Jolly Teaparty says:

      @makou107 Heh, I guess I’m not the only one that thought this. I mean, if they accept that the game’s going to get pirated anyway then having the game hit the front page for it is only a good thing, right?

  5. Teddy Leach says:

    … And a quick google search has revealed that it’s already all over the internet. Ouch.

    EDIT: And YouTube.

    ANOTHER EDIT: It appears we’re bringing down the Facepunch forums.

  6. DD says:

    This probably isnt going to help Crytek like PC gaming any more….

    A real shame. I love Crytek and dont want to see them navigate away from PC any more…

    • Dominic White says:

      Eh, I heard that Marvel Vs Capcom 3 has leaked early for PS3, too. It’s not just the PC that gets pre-release problems like this.

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      Cinek says:

      Dominic – but the problem is that the PC is getting it’s head cut off precisely because of Piracy. Stealing beta like that is like pushing companies into Xbox / PS3 arms. Sad day for real PC gamers.
      :(

    • DD says:

      Not just the pre-release being a problem, seems like Crytek were already a little steamed at the piracy issue with crysis so much that this might really turn into a EPIC situation.

    • Navagon says:

      @ Cinek

      No. The reason publishers bang the piracy drum so loudly is because they think they can use that excuse to excercise greater control over the people who do pay.

      If they were concerned about piracy you’d see some evidence of this in the form of measures that can curb piracy. Instead you see only things that are designed to restrict the ways in which paying customers use their purchase. All the while leaving pirates free and unaffected.

    • cliffski says:

      please share your magic fix for piracy that us evil devs could implement but deliberately do not do so.
      I am all ears.

    • Novotny says:

      I’ve just reverse-checked the upload/download/sideways/mywayorthehardway.ipm plugin wot I am running on the entire network of the UK, and Cliffski is downloading the thingski as we speak.

      Evidently, this is the end of days. I’ve got my towel – what about you?

    • The Great Wayne says:

      Besides, consoles aren’t untouched by piracy, as long as you’re half competent or have such a friend to do stuff for you. Anybody willing to do so can pirate games, whatever the platform, so the argument is kinda moot.

      You can argue over piracy, but argue over it as a concept, not as something killing the PC over the consoles, it’s just PR bullshit atm to justify falling for the console market (younger players, juicy audience) over the PC.

    • Tuco says:

      @cliffski: Try to reach a good production value, release demos, support modding.
      No DLC crap, no annoying DRMs for legit buyers, LAN support at least with late patches, a proper pacth support.

      Long story short: don’t waste your time trying to fight piracy, try to win customers.

    • Cooper says:

      @Tuco:
      You seem to have no idea of who cliffski is, nor how he tends to do EXACTLY what you suggest for the reasons you suggest.

      Lurk moar.

    • Bluebreaker says:

      I still remember that bullshit from Crytek: “Oh piracy, we are so poor we cannot even eat”
      2 weeks later: “We sold more than 1 million copies”

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      Flimgoblin says:

      Piracy has been used as an excuse for no end of silly things entirely unrelated to stopping it: clamping down on rented games, re-sale of games.

      I seem to recall back in the Amiga days the publishers claimed piracy was the cause of increased game prices (then when there was the move to slightly-harder-to-copy-at-the-time CD-ROM games the prices went up… so much for that theory ;))

      Not that I’m advocating piracy here – pay for your games, if the service sucks or there’s no demo – just don’t play it.

    • GoodPatton says:

      This really is a shame, the fact that the huge amount of pirating of the first Crysis drove Crytek to go cross-platform in hopes to create more sales and be able to support themselves just means this will push them further towards the console.

      Since this is a pre-release leak I think a good question to ask is who is responsible for it. Is it someone internal to Crytek (I would be a bit surprised) or is it someone from an external QA house, which is more likely. Because it’s pre-release anti-piracy isn’t really the issue, it’s Quality Control.

      Obviously somewhere along the line someone got a hold of or made a copy of a Beta disc and was able to get it out, obviously wherever the leak came from, there weren’t proper security procedures to prevent information leaks or disc theft.

      also @ Tuco: Winning customers doesn’t change much especially in the PC domain where piracy is so easy and rampant. The reason piracy isn’t as prosperous on consoles is the steps it takes to be able to pirate games. If piracy of console games was easier I’m sure the amount of piracy would eventually dwarf PC games but it’s not the case.

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      TheApologist says:

      @Tuco
      You’re half right. But being only half right means you are wrong in an important way. Being good to customers means selling more games. But it doesn’t mean some portion of people won’t just pirate the game anyway who might have bought it.

      The test case for the combination of building a fan base well and implementing reasonably effective anti-piracy measures is surely Steam. I.e. if you are good to customers AND implement some reasonably effective anti-piracy measures then you become Valve and make loads of money.

    • Clovis says:

      @GoogPatton: Piracy didn’t drive Crytek to the consoles. The big piles of cash available on the consoles did! If Crysis 2 sells well on PC, regardless of piracy numbers, they’ll continue to develop for PC.

    • Grygus says:

      @TheApologist:
      Surely if there are people who will pirate the game no matter what, then they are irrelevant? Those aren’t lost sales at all, and should be ignored.

      I’ll point out that single player Steam games are pirated these days, their DRM stops nothing, and that is inevitably the case; so far, the only reliable way to really combat piracy is to have an online component so that you are guaranteed a chance to detect and prevent illegitimate players. One of the major reasons WoW has sold eleventy jillion copies is because you can’t steal it, but for single player games DRM is a complete waste of money and time; that money would have been better used to create more incentives to buy, which is actually what Steam is doing correctly.

    • GoodPatton says:

      @Clovis: Yeah, there’s that too.

    • Martha Stuart says:

      @ cliffski
      ummm, dude its called STEAM, IMPULSE, and if your a real shit bag GFWL. bam problem solved!!!!

  7. ChampionHyena says:

    Ffffffffffff.

    Uuuuuuuu.

    Ck.

  8. Kid_A says:

    …so, Crysis 3 to have always-on online DRM and DNA identification?

    • Xocrates says:

      And a code wheel

    • rayne117 says:

      You really think that matters? I’ll just pirate it when the crack gets out.

    • Bennus says:

      Can’t get a NOCD crack for a code wheel. It’s, like, solid security. ¬______¬

    • fearian says:

      Are you fucking kidding? do you think there is going to be a crysis 3? This is the kind of thing that KILLS GAME COMPANIES.

    • GoodPatton says:

      Crysis 3, console exclusive with a middle finger to PC. Probably even be a Wii release just to salt the wounds.

    • Brumisator says:

      You can get a pdf of the code wheel.

  9. CoyoteTheClever says:

    Makes me wonder what Crytek did to piss off one of its employees enough for them to release this.

    • PaulMorel says:

      That’s what I was wondering.

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      drewski says:

      Yeah, this isn’t exactly your “sent a review copy to the wrong website” stuff. Someone’s really taken a swing at Crytek.

    • pkt-zer0 says:

      Yeah. How do you manage to have the online master key get leaked?

    • Jolly Teaparty says:

      It’s gotta be something like a parting shot; someone getting fired? I can’t imagine pulling something like this if you intended to remain in game development.

      OR

      CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME

      EA accepted the argument that piracy doesn’t effect game sales, decided that the game would get pirated anyway, and leaked the development version as a marketing strategy. You know, get the game hitting front pages a month in advance. I mean, how long does it take for a game to go from a final version to being on discs all over the world? That leak’s got to be more or less the finished article. Just a thought; not a particularly sensible one I admit but it’s interesting to think about.

  10. Zhou says:

    Ouch. I normally don’t try to exercise moral judgement on the internet as a whole (its a loser’s game, let’s be honest).

    But its hard to see how this isn’t going to destroy their release and sales.

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      heretic says:

      it won’t….

      people who don’t want to buy the game will find ways to play it, people who want to give crytek their monies will do so.

    • Bob Loblaw says:

      Funny, the same thing happened to Valve back then and they sold plenty of copies.

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      heretic says:

      @Bob

      indeed, this also happened to stalker (albeit a crap build I guess – i dled it ^_^ yet bought c.o.p. when it came out) yet they made 3 games so I guess they didn’t sell too badly, and isn’t stalker pc only?

    • lorddon says:

      What Bob said. It all depends on how you handle your reaction. Like the Underground graphic novel folks did when 4Chan started bootlegging their comic.

    • Zhou says:

      Ooh, I’m popular. Anywho, “destroy” was probably over-hyperbolic/emotive, should probably have gone for hurt.

      Mostly I felt it was different from normal leaks since the online master key got leaked as well, which would mean one of the relatively few effective anti-piracy bulwarks left would presumably be overridden.

      Yes, it may not totally kick their arses, and could even feasibly have a positive effect, but its hardly good news ^^.

    • Stromko says:

      We’d all like to believe in the Noble Savage, that the majority of potential buyers are going to buy a game that they can get for free, but that’s frankly a lie. I know five or six people in real life that pirate everything they can, and I don’t know if they even buy games. I know people who swap the full version of Minecraft with eachother instead of spending the 10 bux. Okay so they’re destitute college students, but I don’t suspect their habits will change once they get okay jobs if they can pirate the latest AAA-title many weeks before it’s supposed to be commercially available.

      The economy is generally considered to be in the shitter these days, so I believe the vast majority of people will rationalize getting this thing for free, and it’s really going to screw Crytek who’ve clearly spent a ton of money on this game.

      Bob Loblaw: I seem to recall that it was the reason cited for delaying Half Life 2′s release for another 7 – 12 months. Also, there was no playable build as a result of the data theft from what I recall. It’s completely different.

    • 7rigger says:

      @Stromko

      I disagree, and I feel you disprove your own point. One download is not one lost sale (as many before have pointed out)

      You state that your friends “pirate everything they can” and that you don’t know if they’ve ever bought a game. Then the company was not getting a sale anyway – therefore – no lost sale.

      Anyone who was looking forward to Crysis 2 will still buy it. Do you think people will wait all this time for a game then put up with a half-finished buggy build with no mp or dx10/11 because it’s free? Or spend the money they had set aside for it?

    • Lilliput King says:

      The Half Life 2 comparison is a bit of a dead end, to be honest. That shit wasn’t playable, was miles from release, and was pretty much a lot of hot air, mostly based on a suspicion on the part of Valve that code had been got at. This is the dev build of Crysis 2, admittedly, but if they’re just over a month from game on shelves release, it’s likely complete.

      e: looks like the exe is from a month ago, so it’s not quite as bad as all that. Dunno how playable it’ll be.

  11. Hunam says:

    Holy crap that’s some bad news.

  12. Tatourmi says:

    Oooooooh, Half Life 2 anyone?

    • Stromko says:

      Ooh, completely unrelated situation anyone? Gabe’s computer getting hacked, leading to suspicions of the game being leaked and a resulting refactoring of the code to ensure that cheaters and hackers wouldn’t get a head start, is hardly comparable to an almost-complete game with an actual playable build being pirated well before anyone can buy the game.

    • Tatourmi says:

      Oh please, don’t be so agressive over nothing.
      The beta was on the web too, in a playable state. The only real difference is the build state. It leaked, but it leaked later.

    • DJ Phantoon says:

      Derp derp derp. The two situations are similar only in name. This game was due to release in a month and a half, and is finished. It was probably leaked by an employee, as a hacker wouldn’tve cared to grab the Crytek 3 Engine too. Half-Life 2, on the other hand, was hacked into, there were months before release (the game was unfinished and the time meant they could’ve delayed the release) and the stolen copy was an old internal build.

      So get defensive all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.

  13. Gonefornow says:

    Cool, leaked Crysis 2 footage!

    OMG!

    (Crytek’s PC days are over. Or at least somebody’s career.)

  14. zeekthegeek says:

    This doesn’t really change anything. People who pirate, will pirate. People who won’t, won’t. This makes it easier on the pirates but it shouldn’t hurt them too much.

    The current version online is a pretty rough beta release anyhow, so they should be able to fix security before the actual release – two months away. Don’t worry people.

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      Cinek says:

      Tell that to manager of next company that decides to make all it’s titles console-only.

    • Soon says:

      Tell them not to leak their own dev builds?

    • zeekthegeek says:

      Cinek: PS3 and Xbox360 piracy get prereleases all the time, and PS3 especially is BOOMING right now. PC is no worse off.

    • Steven Hutton says:

      Agreed I’ve seen people playing Marvel vs Capcom 3 for a few days now. It’s not out til the 18th over here.

  15. Freud says:

    North Korean agents paying back for being the adversaries in Crysis?

  16. Inglourious Badger says:

    Ok, fair enough but….has anyone with less moral principals played it yet? What’s it like?

    (I’d like to know, so I can decide whether to buy it or not, with monies)

    • apa says:

      Yeah, is it any good and should I get it for PS3? This would be better info than previews, because they never actually tell you if the game is good or bad, previews just blabber about generic features in the game :)

  17. faelnor says:

    That’s really not cool :/

  18. ChiefOfBeef says:

    The first game was a pirate-fest because Crytek blatantly lied about the performance, showing footage not representative of most of the game to show off the fidelity and then locking out visual-enhancing features for DX9 to make DX10 look better.

    With Crytek coming out yet again with some fairly suspect statements, it’s no wonder pirates re-doubled their efforts to get hold of an early build. Rumours that a demo wasn’t coming to PC probably didn’t help either.

    As embargoes increase and publishers demand increasingly stringent limits to the flow of information about a game, piracy rises. Who would have thunk it.

    • mwoody says:

      The stories people tell themselves to avoid facing their own lack of morals are truly astounding.

    • Dozer says:

      I should download it to see how well it runs on my 3ghz Pentium 4 with nVidia 7300GT and 32-bit Windows XP…

    • ChiefOfBeef says:

      The only lack in morals here is in playing the man not the ball, insinuating that I have or intend to pirate anything. I haven’t committed piracy since copying Road Rash on the Amiga when I was eight.

      But I suppose when you can’t dispute the probable reasons why Crytek have repeatedly made themselves such a large target for pirates, that’s all you have.

  19. jordanwise says:

    If any other gaming website had posted this then I’d have got annoyed for alerting unknowing pirates to this. But, as this is RPS, I know that the readership are all honest paying customers.

    • Firkragg says:

      Good Grief, now I’m even more certain to buy it on launch day. I’ll almost go as far and say I’d consider buying it almost (!) on principle alone.

    • TechnoByrd says:

      There’s a good point in this, but you can’t claim that games journalists should ignore major pieces of gaming news in hopes of people not catching on that it happened…

      This is especially so since pirates do not typically search games journalism sites for leads on newly pirated games.

    • dr.castle says:

      @Firkragg

      I know! I had no intention of buying this at launch, as I’m the patient type and almost always wait for price drops/sales, but now I’m sort of feeling like I have to buy it to support Crytek. Maybe I’ll wait until the first sales numbers come out and see how its doing, though…

    • Sam says:

      Was planning on buying it, will buy it now when it comes out. Currently downloading it…

    • Martha Stuart says:

      Ill be buying this game on launch day!!!!

  20. Hunam says:

    I just hope this doesn’t put EA off letting DICE push for the PC version of BF3 as the lead.

    • Ysellian says:

      Well BF3 has the luck of being primarily a multiplayer game. Even if it were to be leaked there wouldn’t be enough servers around.

  21. Zombleton says:

    Uh oh :(

  22. Ysellian says:

    I can’t find it on any of the big torrent searches so I’m hoping for Crytek’s sake it stays that way. Don’t care much about Crysis 2 as the first fell short, but no company deserves something like this happening to them.

  23. SinineSiil says:

    The more people know this the worse it will be.

    • rayne117 says:

      No. People that will pirate will pirate, this changes nothing.

  24. Gundato says:

    Out of curiosity, is this source-leak (like HL2 was, I think) or just a leaked build?

    Usually would think the latter, but the master key makes me wonder if it could be the former.

    • HeavyStorm says:

      Was wondering the same thing. If the source was leaked, then this is bad. Not only damaging for PC, since the console code-base ought to be similar.

  25. godkingemperor says:

    I wasnt going get this game, but now im going to buy it out of sympathy.

  26. DevilSShadoW says:

    Out of all the things that I would never have imagined happening is this…
    I completely agree that whoever downloads this is an outright asshole.

    • lorddon says:

      The guy who leaked it is an asshole. The people who download it are likely the regular basement troll torrent-horders bumping their share ratio. Or people curious how it’ll run on their system before the full game is released.

      This just in! Sales of video cards through roof after Crysis 2 leak!

    • Urael says:

      Lorddon, there is NO justification for piracy. Every single person who downloads this, for whatever reason, is as big an asshole as the person (or people) who leaked it.

      And that GFX cards sales thing is pure fairy tale (not least because I doubt the system specs have increased all that much over Crysis)

    • gorzan says:

      I think there is one justification for piracy, money, games are expensive, some people can’t afford to pay for all the games that they’d like to play, so they play pirate versions

    • HeavyStorm says:

      @gorzan, this is a reason, not a justification.

  27. KauhuK says:

    I liked Crysis enough to think about buying the second. This is bad news for us legit customers for there will be consequences. I just upgraded my graphics card from gtx 275 to gtx 570 to be able to run crysis 2 better.

    edit: Well, not just crysis 2 but other games as well.

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    Cinek says:

    Ouch… they leaked it with some of development tools which ain’t released with full game.
    Someone’s going to have his head cut off certainly…

    • Ysellian says:

      Perhaps he was already fired hence this leak?

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      Cinek says:

      Possible. Who knows.
      Though I heard that Crytek is a good company… ok, maybe besides all the after-work hours you have to do there but it’s nothing unusual in the industry.

      In either way it’s really a serious leak, not just that someone copied a pre-release version of the game. It’s much more, some of the stuff there are internal-only files judging from TPB files listing, and the other were supposed to be released with Modding Tools pack which usually comes some time after the final game release.
      In either way I’m sure Crytek has now red alert in their base. ;]

    • CoyoteTheClever says:

      That’s really interesting information Cinek. It seems the people who are really going to be rejoicing about this leak aren’t pirates (Who get to play an unfinished copy of the game, which is obviously going to be frustrating and less fun than the real release), but modders.

      Crysis 1 had a great modding community, but I predict that Crysis 2 might actually have the biggest modding community of any game ever because of this, which may factor in to bigger sales, not smaller ones. It makes me wonder if maybe this was a company decision rather than a genuine leak.

    • Ysellian says:

      @Coyote

      Not sure about the intentional bit. We’d have to wait on some pirates to comment on just how much they can actually play from the game. If it indeed turns out they can only play half way or are limited through other means, then perhaps this may have been calculated.

    • zergrush says:

      It seems it’s nearly unplayable and requires a ridiculous amount of walkarounds to actually get the game going. Some dude posted that you need to put the game on windowed mode, tweak some settings and start in later missions because lots of crashes happen on the first ones or something like that.

      I haven’t downloaded it, btw. Not because of morality, I just don’t like Crysis.

    • Ysellian says:

      So the possibility of it being done on purpose is certainly plausible?

    • DrazharLn says:

      I don’t think Crytek would do this deliberately. I welcome the fancy dev-tools, though.

  29. Enzo says:

    You should really delete this post, no one knew about that leak and now RPS is the main source of information about this pirated version, and more people will download it.

    Seriously, this post only causes harm to Crytek.

    • Novotny says:

      RPS is not the main source, you silly people. It’s all over P2P sharing networks.

    • Ysellian says:

      News is news, all gamesites are going to be reporting this in the coming weeks.

    • zeekthegeek says:

      This is plain silly, RPS is reporting the news. You think the file will magically disappear if RPS doesn’t inform people that this happened?

    • fuggles says:

      A quick google produced a harware site which includes details on how pretty it is and on how to get the leaked version working – it’s clearly not just RPS. Heck, it’s not liked they linked to the source they got it from in the article..oh no wait, it is.

    • Teddy Leach says:

      RPS is a newsite. it’s not the only one. Most, if not all, of the others will be talking about it as well. Hell, I even nearly posted about it on my blog, and only didn’t because I didn’t have the energy.

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      FriendlyFire says:

      Security through obscurity is no security at all. It’s too late and it was the second the thing got out. It’s already gone viral.

    • DJ Phantoon says:

      IT’S GONE VIRAL OH NO

      Actually, Facepunch gets enough traffic that with the discussion they have in there that some other games site would eventually pick it up. RPS reporting on it FIRST just means they’re doing their job as a games news site. Plus, at least here, someone will attempt to follow up on it and get a response from EA, or will find the response already posted. Then it will become a huge, pointless discussion in the comments, until someone like John Walker (Texas Ranger) posts a long explaination of the issue. Then people will continue to ignore the opinions of everyone else. Repeat ad nauseum.

    • Jahkaivah says:

      Doesn’t Enzo have a point? RPS may not be the main source and obviously the alternative will not fix everything (seriously guys), but is spreading the word about this really helping matters?

  30. Alaric says:

    Death to all pirates!

  31. ngordonh says:

    Yea I just checked my private tracker and its already up and has some healthy seeding going. Sorry to hear this but oh well not like it affects me negatively.

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    Ridiculous Human says:

    Bet Quinns is regretting using the “Chryst” pun too early now.

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    heretic says:

    I think this brings up the general point of piracy, how much there really is etc.

    I think people just aren’t prepared to pay ridiculous prices for games. Personally I put my threshold at around 18 pounds for a new release (which hitman blood money was at when it was released :D 1st day buy) and around 10-12 pounds for any other game a couple of months after release (mirror’s edge about a year after release).

    starcraft 2 at 35 pounds STILL is ridiculous and there’s no way I’d buy it…

    I think there are a lot of people who will simply pirate because of the price. there are others who will stop at nothing to get something free anyway, but from these guys you won’t ever get sales.

    however what steam sales, for example, proves, is that people are willing to dish out for games, just not as much as people are charging.

    being a pc gamer I can’t even comprehend how people can dish out 50 quid for a new console release… it would horrify me…

    • Novotny says:

      I’m going to hell

    • cliffski says:

      so eighteen pounds for a game is an outrageous price. Hmm fair enough.
      But have you ever spent eighteen pounds or even twenty on a one-off piece of entertainment?
      Most live bands charge more
      a dvd box set costs more, in many cases, espeically relatively new stuff.
      A night out involving alcohol can cost more.
      And games might last months on repeated online play…

      I just don’t get why the price people will pay per hour for gaming is below that which they would spend on any other form of entertainment. If I worked out my hourly cost of fun for Call OF Duty 2 or Company of heroes, it’s likely tenths of a penny per hour, maximum. INSANE value for money.

    • Novotny says:

      Ah, Cliffski, you’re being serious.

    • zergrush says:

      Gaming is extremely cheap compared to pretty much any other kind of entertainment. I have no problem paying full price for games that I’m sure will last for years.

      I think the excessive amount of sales / discounts is somewhat responsible for this mentality. When I get games on release some friends always say I should wait until a Steam sale, even when it’s something as cheap as Magicka.

    • CoyoteTheClever says:

      Well Cliffski, those are certain games you liked. But first of all, before you played them, you never knew if you’d like them that much. Before I played AI War, I never knew I’d spend 50 fricken hours on it and still not even be close to bored of it (Company of Heroes was one of those games for me too :D). I notice myself playing a lot of Indie games where I’ll spend insane amounts of time on them, and a lot of AAA games that cost more, but I only get like 2 hours before I get bored of them, and in that case, I probably didn’t enjoy those 2 hours very much anyways. Its only in hindsight that we can determine how much value we’ll get out of our games and a lot of it depends on the player’s personal tastes.

      Maybe it’d be better if a games were sentient and could see how much you played them in a year and charged you accordingly :D. But using AI War as an example again, the first year I had it I didn’t play it at all, it took me more than a year to push myself to learn the game so I could enjoy it. This means it took me more than a year to figure out what the true value of the game was to me.

      My point here is that figuring out the actual value of the game to you is a really tough thing. That developers can just throw a price on their product and sell it immediately to someone is trivial and arbitrary.

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      heretic says:

      @cliffski

      I’m a student so my disposable income is fairly low, all I was saying is that maybe games ARE priced too high which results in a lot of piracy.

      the music industry had to change their business model quite drastically for people to keep buying stuff (from albums to individual songs)

      maybe the games industry needs a similar shift.

      personally I quite like the idea of paying something like 50p for say an hour on the full game, or say 2 pounds for 5 hours (through steam it would work) and if I want to own the game I could dish out the remaining 15 or 18 pounds to match the full price.

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      Andy_Panthro says:

      From what I can recall, the price of games has remained approximately the same for over ten years.

      I can certainly remember paying £30-40 for games in the 90s, with some being higher still.

      So in what way are prices ridiculous now?

    • Bhazor says:

      OK, the modern mainstream release costs around £10million to put a ball park figure on it. Retailing at £39.99 the makers cut will, after the shop and console manufacturers cut, come to maybe £25 a pop. Ok. Now that means at £40 they will need to sell 400,000 copies just to break even.

      If they were selling at £18 they would need to sell more than double that. That means if a game was sold on Steam it would need close to a million sales.

      Now if it was your livelihood would you bet on doubling your sales with a permanent price cut?

    • Deano2099 says:

      @cliffski

      That’s a really good point but I think the only honest answer has to be: games are less fun.

      I enjoy seeing bands and live comedy a lot more than playing games so I’m happy to pay a lot more per hour of entertainment. Same for going out and drinking.

      DVD box-sets are a closer analogy I guess, though I’d wager piracy is just as bad there.

    • lonkero173 says:

      @cliffsky
      Simple supply & demand, the availability of games is better than ever with the rise of digital distribution and unlike your examples the costs per extra unit sold are very low so volume goes up and price down.

      Also why pay 0.5€ per unit of fun when you can pay 0.1€?

      I have to agree thought, the value for money you get for games these days is great.

    • Optimaximal says:

      @Bhazor – its worth noting that nearly every iTunes or Steam firesale has resulted in massively increased sales and profits.

    • Bhazor says:

      The keyword there is “sale”. If you’re already selling at a bare profit then you can’t capitalise on a fire sale.

      Again would you be willing to gamble your entire livelihood on halving unit cost and doubling sales?

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    ordteapot says:

    Does this really change much for those of us who were planning on buying it (or planning on not buying it, for that matter)?

    Near as I can tell, pretty much every major release gets “hacked” once it’s been released. Since Crysis 2 already has dedicated servers, I suspect pirates would have been playing this just as much as anyone.

    And with the master key being leaked, they’ll just have to ‘rekey’ the registration system, requiring a new master key and regeneration of ‘regular’ keys. An inconvenience, sure, and maybe a few (tens of) thousands of dollars* to reprint little slips of papers with the new keys on them, if they’ve already printed those.

    I’ll be more worried for them if the source has been leaked (although I’m sure modders would be ecstatic).

    *roughly 30 quid for those of you who deal in strong currency

    • TechnoByrd says:

      One of the factors in whether or not people will commit a crime is how easy it is to commit. Another is how likely it is that they will get caught.

      The latter is already negligible, or at least viewed that way. This release makes the former much easier, and increases temptation over “normal” pirating of a released game, because it is available *before* a legal option is.

      The response that “Honest people won’t do this and dishonest people will, regardless of when it’s leaked” ignores this entirely. Yes, some people are morally ambiguous and will do anything they perceive as benefiting them regardless of the consequences to others, and some people are morally fortified to the point that they would never even consider playing a pirated game. The majority is somewhere in between, and temptation, timing, and anonymity are factors.

    • CoyoteTheClever says:

      I don’t think “morality” has much to do with it. It likely falls more into anti-authoritarian personalities versus authoritarian personalities. The people who speak against pirates don’t necessarily have any higher sense of morality than those who pirate. Neither can understand each other’s moral arguments (Pirates don’t understand about why hurting a developer is a bad thing, anti-pirates don’t understand how hurting the poor with high prices or punishing only paying customers with DRM is a bad thing). Hyperbole is all over the place in arguments like these with calls for pirates to die or rot in jail (Yes, what moral things), over games of all things. Morality does not factor into the equation any more than it did in any crusade, even if there is an air of moral panic (Those who participate in moral panics are rarely moral people though).

    • Steven Hutton says:

      I have to say I agree. I’m normally strictly against playing pirated games but I’d be lying if I said I saw this and wasn’t at least momentarily tempted.

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      ordteapot says:

      I guess it just doesn’t strike me (I may be wrong) that a leaked version is going increase the temptation that much more for people. People grabbing the leak are already going to be people willing to go to a torrent site and download morally ambiguous things.

      I agree with your point about the timing though, and I wonder what effect patches and DLC will have on people that download the leak. They may either become irate that shit-be-broken with their illegal copy of the game, or they may be even more motivated to actually buy the full game to keep playing. Sort of like a demo gone horribly wrong?

    • Adventurous Putty says:

      (Pirates don’t understand about why hurting a developer is a bad thing, anti-pirates don’t understand how hurting the poor with high prices or punishing only paying customers with DRM is a bad thing).

      This is naive. I think both do understand the other position on some level, and perhaps feel guilty, but suppress that feeling in order to be able to feel self-righteous about their own opinions. A bit like you, if you don’t mind my being a bit critical — you make it seem as if this is perfectly all right and Crytek should just be skipping through fields of daisies over this.

      Even if this doesn’t hurt sales at all (which I doubt, as it’s somewhat unprecedented), I still think it’s a breach of common courtesy. Games are art; if you are moved by a piece of art and feel it is important to you, you should give the artist some cash so he or she doesn’t become the starving type. Downloading this rather egregious leak may not be “evil” (whatever that means), but it’s certainly selfish and devalues the artistic product of Crytek’s labors.

  35. Unaco says:

    Oh wow. This is funny.

  36. frozenbyte says:

    Finally, some excitement in the world of videogames.

  37. noclip says:

    This is completely inexcusable, the person behind this is an embarrassment to the human race.

    • Theory says:

      Genocide is “embarrassing”? Posting while insecure is never wise…

    • Novotny says:

      I’m always embarrassed by genocide. Aren’t you?

    • Alaric says:

      You are? Well, I got good news for you, excessive masturbation is not technically genocide.

    • Novotny says:

      What if I kill you cat?

    • Alaric says:

      Nope. Still not genocide. Will you now come up with a lot of random situations and ask me of those are genocide? May I suggest using a dictionary instead? And if you care at all for my advice, breaking into houses of heavily armed people to kill their cats is a rather unhealthy activity. Unless in a game.

    • Wulf says:

      Man has a great point.

      There are worse atrocities going on every day; war, murder, discrimination, hate crimes, abuse, those who’re causing tangible pain and suffering to others just for their jollies, general inequity, and I could go on. And instead we’re up in arms about piracy.

      I’m personally ashamed and embarrassed by and for our race due to far greater things than piracy.

      And to be honest, that capitalism is viewed as more sacred than human rights by the vast majority says a lot about the kind of state we’re in, these days. Sometimes it feels like as a race we’ve had something of a kneejerk reaction, and we’re all headed back to the 19th century. Or worse, the dark ages.

      When it comes to genuine atrocities, I tend to find that the average person likes to bury their head in the sand and instead pretend that some smaller thing is a real atrocity that they can tackle.

      Oh those evil pirates.

    • Alaric says:

      Uh-huh. Right. Because obviously the existence of greater crimes makes lesser crimes OK.

    • noclip says:

      Wulf:

      Sorry, but I’m only human. Unfortunate as it may be, we’re hardwired to empathize with people like ourselves more readily than those who aren’t. Oh, and if I were you I would avoid drawing conclusions about people’s economic views (much less their core values) from an extemporary single sentence comment.

    • JackShandy says:

      @WULF

      The “How can you get upset about videogames when CHILDREN ARE STARVING IN AFRICA?” argument isn’t a great one. It’s used all the time for everything – “How can you get upset about a sexist comment on the internet/lack of female protagonists in videogames/piracy when people are in slavery/poverty/etc every day?”

      We’re on a videogames blog, so the general assumption is that we care about videogames enough not to suddenly realise we’ve been wasting our time and immediately jet off to do missionary work. Besides, if we’re legitimately talking about how to make the world a better place (Which I doubt is on most people’s minds), charity starts at home. You can’t tackle the gigantic poverty problems, then work your way down to small-scale piracy. You worry about the little stuff, and hope that by changing that you can make a small difference.

    • Consumatopia says:

      No, it’s totally reasonable to think less of pirates, disapprove of what they do, hope that they get caught, call for stiffer legal penalties, etc.

      But, it’s somewhat less reasonable to cite game piracy, or any kind of property crime, as a reason to be embarrassed for the human race, given that human beings have been guilty of things infinitely worse than this. To the extent that it makes sense for a species to be shamed by individual acts, we should have hit rock bottom.

      Screw pirates, condolences to Crytek, but please keep some perspective.

  38. sinisterralphy says:

    Well this is going to give publishers more ammunition for abandoning the pc

  39. Gunsmith says:

    as an absolutely insane Crysis fan I’m actually quite terrified at what this now holds for us PC gamers. :(

    • Novotny says:

      Dreadful seeding amongst other things. I tremble for the children

  40. TechnoByrd says:

    Especially not since it states it in the article.

  41. amassingham says:

    I just don’t understand how a developer build can get leaked?!

    • Novotny says:

      Well, if the US government can have leaks, then I think it’s possible that some silly buggers making a game could experience them.

    • Gundato says:

      Simple ways:

      Disgruntled employee (’nuff said)
      Poor security (believe this is how HL2 was leaked)
      Review Board (ESRB) or Reviewers (although, I don’t think they EVER get dev builds)
      Misplaced laptop
      Stupid employee (let your best bud play it, and then said idiot doesn’t know how to use a computer)

    • TechnoByrd says:

      Using the United States Government as an example of high security may not be the best way to demonstrate your point, but your meaning is clear enough. Anywhere there are people, there is risk of temptation, leaked information, and espionage.

  42. zergrush says:

    Can’t remember the last big xbox 360 title that wasn’t leaked at least a couple of days before launch, and it doesn’t usually seem to have much of an impact on sales.

  43. Novotny says:

    I think I was implying that I found out through other means. Which, of course, I didn’t.

  44. NemsMole says:

    This really isn’t as big of a deal as a lot of you are making it out to be and you should all calm down a little. reacting to the leak of a video game by saying “This is completely inexcusable, the person behind this is an embarrassment to the human race.” is just a little overboard.

    It won’t affect sales, it never does. Companies leave the PC because they can make games easier and cheaper on consoles and will make more money on them, they tell you its because of piracy for their image. This sucks for Crytek but honestly it’s hardly the first time it’s happened and as has been said, lots of games get leaked. Including a lot of console games.

    Relax guys, just a little.

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    cyberninja says:

    Once again pirates spoil everything for paying customers. No doubt the games release will be delayed as they will have to change the on-line authentication.

  46. Snuffy the Evil says:

    I would like to download this. I really would, but it’s been on my “Buy-as-soon-as-possible” list and I would feel really really bad if I did.

    • Novotny says:

      Ha ha! I downloaded it, but when they asked who it was, I said it was you.

    • Teddy Leach says:

      Just watch the leaked videos on YouTube and pretend you’re controlling the action.

    • Lack_26 says:

      I won’t be playing the downloaded version, it’s a matter of honour as far as I’m concerned. If I was going to I’d darn well pre-order it if I enjoyed it since that’s the closest thing you could get to buying it right now.

  47. jplayer01 says:

    Oh, great. Now piracy will get all blown out of proportion and there will be even more PC doomsaying. Yay. Can’t you people just calm down for once in your lives?

    • bwion says:

      YOU AND YOUR CALLS FOR CALM AND REASON ARE DOOMING THIS INDUSTRY AND ALSO THE HUMAN RACE

  48. clownst0pper says:

    It’s probably a level of publicity Crytek couldn’t pay for, and will do them no harm (although theyll say it has)

    StarCraft II was pirated an obscene amount, yet still sold millions and millions.

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      drewski says:

      Starcraft II has the advantage of being all about the multiplayer. I know a few people who pirate the majority of their PC games, and they got retail Starcraft II just to play online.

      Not sure Crysis II is in the same sphere.

  49. Maykael says:

    If it was some people downloading a cracked version and playing it, I’d agree with most people here worrying about the fate of Crytek’s PC games. But in this case it’s the fault of the idiot who put the copy out there. It’s umpteenth time this happens to EA.

    You can’t stop crackers, but you can fucking stop the internal beta from leaking. There are some very serious problems at EA.

    It’s still not okay to download this, both legally and morally, but still, this is EA/Crytek’s own security-wise incompetence at play.

    I also do think that this will sell well on the PC, no matter the leak and that we’ll continue to see Crytek games on our platform of choice. The first one did very good, despite everything, selling about 1.5 million. Since when isn’t that fucking respectable as a sales margin?

  50. Torgen says:

    If it were to be released on March 22nd, thousands of disks have probably already been pressed and boxed in order to have the product on store shelves on release day. (IIRC, six weeks is the normal time for a production run for a game.)

    To re-secure the authentication, the keys will have to be changed and those copies will have to be destroyed (since they will now be unable to be authenticated.)

    This is one case where piracy has indeed cost publishers money.

    • Urthman says:

      It’s not the piracy that cost them money. You wouldn’t have to destroy the old copies if the game were just pirated. It’s the lack of corporate security that caused the online key to escape into the wild. That’s not piracy, that’s Crytek getting hacked.

    • Dinger says:

      If it’s a dev build in the wild, then the leak is pre-going gold. In my experience, books come out six to eight weeks after going to press, but software companies get about three weeks from when they ship it off to the duplicators to when it appears in the stores.
      The fact that it’s not a final release with master key means that they should be able to retool the master key fairly easily. Plus, for a MP-heavy game, having v.0.9 with no easy upgrade path means the pirates are getting an extended demo out of that.

      Or not….

    • Backov says:

      This is sad, but I don’t think it will be the death knell for Crytek one way or the other. If the game is bad however, that may kill them. But maybe not, the Yerlis are pretty wealthy I hear.